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Post by gulfofaden on Jun 27, 2021 8:42:38 GMT
In isolation all the players weren’t demonstrably bad players. Last season shows it’s more than just players.
Even at the top level can the best players win you things? Yes, but it doesn’t guarantee anything. It’s also about balance and also, what makes a good player isn’t ability alone. Roy Keane is a good example of that, the psychology is important.
Steven Hendry dominated world snooker for a decade. The top pros, every single one is capable of pulling off the shots Hendry did. Every single one can make tons for fun and 147s in practice. What Hendry had was an iron mind, able to pull his best game out when he needed it. He was a machine, he rarely broke down. Despite all the other pros having what he had in his locker, often they lost the key. Hendry s locker was always open.
This is the same with all sport. At the top level, all players have the skill. Not all have the mental grit and that was what we lacked.
Essentially George Williams entered a toxic workplace. You know when you work somewhere and the atmosphere is awful, nobody cares, a really bad culture. That’s what we had.
Thus you can’t judge the players individually.
Despite liking the idea of the project on paper, this was caused by the appointment of Ben Garner and his total lack of insight as to how to prepare and mentally train footballers for a robust season.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jun 27, 2021 9:06:12 GMT
In isolation all the players weren’t demonstrably bad players. Last season shows it’s more than just players. Even at the top level can the best players win you things? Yes, but it doesn’t guarantee anything. It’s also about balance and also, what makes a good player isn’t ability alone. Roy Keane is a good example of that, the psychology is important. Steven Hendry dominated world snooker for a decade. The top pros, every single one is capable of pulling off the shots Hendry did. Every single one can make tons for fun and 147s in practice. What Hendry had was an iron mind, able to pull his best game out when he needed it. He was a machine, he rarely broke down. Despite all the other pros having what he had in his locker, often they lost the key. Hendry s locker was always open. This is the same with all sport. At the top level, all players have the skill. Not all have the mental grit and that was what we lacked. Essentially George Williams entered a toxic workplace. You know when you work somewhere and the atmosphere is awful, nobody cares, a really bad culture. That’s what we had. Thus you can’t judge the players individually. Despite liking the idea of the project on paper, this was caused by the appointment of Ben Garner and his total lack of insight as to how to prepare and mentally train footballers for a robust season. Some of them are complete duffers though... In all seriousness I think a large part of the problem was signing kids who weren’t prepared to play a major part in a league one campaign and chucking them in at the deep end. And obviously 4 LBs and 3 strikers.
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 27, 2021 9:20:27 GMT
In isolation all the players weren’t demonstrably bad players. Last season shows it’s more than just players. Even at the top level can the best players win you things? Yes, but it doesn’t guarantee anything. It’s also about balance and also, what makes a good player isn’t ability alone. Roy Keane is a good example of that, the psychology is important. Steven Hendry dominated world snooker for a decade. The top pros, every single one is capable of pulling off the shots Hendry did. Every single one can make tons for fun and 147s in practice. What Hendry had was an iron mind, able to pull his best game out when he needed it. He was a machine, he rarely broke down. Despite all the other pros having what he had in his locker, often they lost the key. Hendry s locker was always open. This is the same with all sport. At the top level, all players have the skill. Not all have the mental grit and that was what we lacked. Essentially George Williams entered a toxic workplace. You know when you work somewhere and the atmosphere is awful, nobody cares, a really bad culture. That’s what we had. Thus you can’t judge the players individually. Despite liking the idea of the project on paper, this was caused by the appointment of Ben Garner and his total lack of insight as to how to prepare and mentally train footballers for a robust season. I get the point you’re making. But I disagree about judging the players individually, I think you can otherwise that just leaves them with a cop out every time they play badly. Whilst I get the point about the dangers of a toxic workplace, imo, everyone has to take their own responsibility to try and turn it around. If players cut out individual errors it gets better, but we never managed that. And thinking of the howlers: Leahy at Hull Baldwin and the pen at Northampton Van Stapp and the goal v Fleetwood Day and the goal v Rochdale Those errors were completely avoidable and were match costing errors. Just doing a rough calculation those alone cost us 5 points. I’ve used a silly calculation really and I apologise but I hope you get my point. Im sure there are others as well but those were off the top of my head and players have to take responsibility for their own play and some of ours, last season, didn’t seem to do that. UTG!
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Post by stevek192 on Jun 27, 2021 9:46:53 GMT
warehamgas, You have been far too kind on the errors and have not mentioned the two main culprits Ehmer and Kilgour. Their display at Accrington was the worst of the season for giving goals away.Baldwin must have slipped or fallen over on 3 or 4 or passed straight to an opponent on a couple of occasions.Leahey was caught out all over the place before JB came in. Day was beaten inside his near post three for four times. In truth it was a total shambles throughout. There were very few good goals conceded.
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 27, 2021 13:43:39 GMT
warehamgas, You have been far too kind on the errors and have not mentioned the two main culprits Ehmer and Kilgour. Their display at Accrington was the worst of the season for giving goals away.Baldwin must have slipped or fallen over on 3 or 4 or passed straight to an opponent on a couple of occasions.Leahey was caught out all over the place before JB came in. Day was beaten inside his near post three for four times. In truth it was a total shambles throughout. There were very few good goals conceded. Yes, you’re probably right. I’m afraid I’m the original rose-tinter. 😢 I switched off at half time on that Accrington match I’m afraid. But you’ve made my point, I forgot some but there were plenty as you’ve shown. And my point was players need to take responsibility and not use the “Oh, it’s the work place” excuse. If we hadn’t made as many individual errors as we did we wouldn’t have been where we were and people wouldn’t have been talking about toxic work places. It’s a bit of a circular argument. UTG!
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Post by lpgas1 on Jun 27, 2021 13:56:14 GMT
So Oggo has signed for somone?
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Post by Russgas on Jun 27, 2021 14:00:39 GMT
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Post by lpgas1 on Jun 27, 2021 14:39:40 GMT
Good, Rovers treated him badly last season
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