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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 19, 2021 10:34:11 GMT
Bottom line. If the club had bigger and more numerous facilities this wouldnt be an issue. There would be space for everyone. The club either needs to start building new stadium in yhe next couple of years or start the process of demolition and rebuild at the mem. Anything else is slow suicide. I don't think it's a practical space issue, it's an esoteric power struggle issue.
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Post by playtowin on Aug 19, 2021 10:35:38 GMT
Bottom line. If the club had bigger and more numerous facilities this wouldnt be an issue. There would be space for everyone. The club either needs to start building new stadium in yhe next couple of years or start the process of demolition and rebuild at the mem. Anything else is slow suicide. I don't think it's a practical space issue, it's an esoteric power struggle issue. Then just do not recognise the pc as an endorsed organisation.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 19, 2021 10:36:37 GMT
How long will it be before us normal fans become an irrelevance ? the owners can easily wind the club up and put the mem up for sale when they want to recover their "Investment" I don't believe that is in their best interests, nor do I believe that it would be easy to do so.
I also believe this, but there are a few posters on here who would believe that, such is their hate for our owner I'm sure there are good commercial reasons why the assets of the club are not directly owned by the club but owned by a 3rd party. You have to ask the question why ?
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Post by peterparker on Aug 19, 2021 10:57:37 GMT
I don't believe that is in their best interests, nor do I believe that it would be easy to do so.
I also believe this, but there are a few posters on here who would believe that, such is their hate for our owner I'm sure there are good commercial reasons why the assets of the club are not directly owned by the club but owned by a 3rd party. You have to ask the question why ? which asset are we talking about? kind of irrelevant anyway as Wael owns over 90% of the club anyway, so could chuck it the bin tomorrow if he wanted
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Post by baggins on Aug 19, 2021 11:10:05 GMT
I also believe this, but there are a few posters on here who would believe that, such is their hate for our owner I'm sure there are good commercial reasons why the assets of the club are not directly owned by the club but owned by a 3rd party. You have to ask the question why ? which asset are we talking about? kind of irrelevant anyway as Wael owns over 90% of the club anyway, so could chuck it the bin tomorrow if he wanted A bin? Throwing money about again.
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Post by Somersetgas on Aug 19, 2021 21:02:18 GMT
which asset are we talking about? kind of irrelevant anyway as Wael owns over 90% of the club anyway, so could chuck it the bin tomorrow if he wanted A bin? Throwing money about again. Throwing money about but shockingly still no answers to various posters questions.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2021 22:26:42 GMT
I don't believe that is in their best interests, nor do I believe that it would be easy to do so.
I also believe this, but there are a few posters on here who would believe that, such is their hate for our owner I'm sure there are good commercial reasons why the assets of the club are not directly owned by the club but owned by a 3rd party. You have to ask the question why ? Why should anybody hate a person who has invested more into the club in 5 years than any collective has ever done in the clubs history. (rhetorical)
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Post by paulpirate on Aug 19, 2021 22:36:04 GMT
The President's club which has put allot of time and effort into raising funds for the club, have been stopped along with other fans from using the Dunford lounge this was done during lock down but the without consulting with supporters the PC use this room for their meetings , some of these supporters have been supporting the club for over 50 years, for the board to stop them using the room behind supporters backs is awful, room now lies empty during matches. Another kick in the teeth for some of the supporters. if that’s the bar up with the boxes it was shut last week,thought cause of covid Ridiculous if it has closed,the waiting staff are so slow you had to wait 30 mins for a pint,costing the club money
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 20, 2021 7:11:48 GMT
Whilst an admirable sacrifice, this was ~35 years ago. I'm afraid the SC and it seems the PC are suspended in aspic from the mid 1980s.
The latest steps confirm both as an irrelevance. If they hadn't have become petulant and vindictive, it might have been regrettable. How long will it be before us normal fans become an irrelevance ? the owners can easily wind the club up and put the mem up for sale when they want to recover their "Investment" Take a step back and look at the bigger picture, why would Wael spend £20m+ clearing the club debts etc, another £3m+ developing The Quarters, appoint 3 managers last season in a desperate attempt to keep us in L1, take all the stick from backing Barton, then just close the club down and sell the Mem? It seems doubtful now if he did that he'd get back anywhere near the £30m+ the ALQ's must have now spent on the club. I sense your post reflect the SC's committees own views and that is why they won't hand over the £50K, as they are worried Wael might run off with the money.
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Post by CheshireGas on Aug 20, 2021 9:55:21 GMT
You've started so you must finish. pass Well done wertongas, your responses actually gave some information, certainly more than others like knowall who have raved about the Presidents club but then just slag off the club, its staff, employees and owners and yet refuse to answer any questions. If 200 enter the draw and anyone can enter that would suggest the number is below 200. If you do find out the number of members and the amount they raise annually then that might go some way to mitigating the extensive criticism of the Presidents Club. Hope you enjoy your lie down in the darkened room. Regards Cheshire
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Post by CheshireGas on Aug 20, 2021 10:13:56 GMT
I am confused. I thought someone said that, that was passes sold, rather than actual members newly acquired info (and I appreciate that it could be wrong) is that it is lower i asked the question of a member. In answer to your question about Hambrook training ground, 8-10 President club members "Gave/Lent the club" a substantial amount of money from their own pockets. When the Dunfords Sold it to keep the club going no members had any money back, so you could say they saved our beloved club at that time so a few so called fans on here can complain at it Thanks for that Henbury, hope you don't mind if I quote you on the other forum, that's helpful. So let me get this right, PC members gave money (fair play to them if that is the case) and they are hailed as heroes and saviours of the club. Wael plays off Higgs and the loan sharks and like most people who invest in football clubs is guaranteed to lose money. Yet he is slagged off from Day 1 by those who enjoyed a nice lifestyle at the club under Higgs and spend their whole time slagging off the owner, club, employees etc to other fans, the media and the football authorities...... They used to call that hypocrisy back in the day. Regards Cheshire
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Aug 20, 2021 10:22:26 GMT
I don't think it's a practical space issue, it's an esoteric power struggle issue. Then just do not recognise the pc as an endorsed organisation. Like the Taliban
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Post by gassince1957 on Aug 20, 2021 10:27:44 GMT
I don't believe that is in their best interests, nor do I believe that it would be easy to do so.
I also believe this, but there are a few posters on here who would believe that, such is their hate for our owner I'm sure there are good commercial reasons why the assets of the club are not directly owned by the club but owned by a 3rd party. You have to ask the question why ? Doesn't the exact same question apply to nearly every club in the UK? Bristol Sport being just one example. Maybe the question is "why not?"
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 20, 2021 10:34:58 GMT
I also believe this, but there are a few posters on here who would believe that, such is their hate for our owner I'm sure there are good commercial reasons why the assets of the club are not directly owned by the club but owned by a 3rd party. You have to ask the question why ? Doesn't the exact same question apply to nearly every club in the UK? Bristol Sport being just one example. Maybe the question is "why not?" Wasn't it also the case before the ALQ's took over, hasn't the ground been owned by BRFC1883 for a number of years? I thought the indications were this was the correct approach as if "BRFC" ever went bust then the ground itself was still protected from the administrators?
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Post by stuart1974 on Aug 20, 2021 10:38:21 GMT
Doesn't the exact same question apply to nearly every club in the UK? Bristol Sport being just one example. Maybe the question is "why not?" Wasn't it also the case before the ALQ's took over, hasn't the ground been owned by BRFC1883 for a number of years? I thought the indications were this was the correct approach as if "BRFC" ever went bust then the ground itself was still protected from the administrators? Are people talking about the Charge on the Mem again? If so, that's not ownership but just a legal notification of financial interest.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 20, 2021 11:47:28 GMT
How long will it be before us normal fans become an irrelevance ? the owners can easily wind the club up and put the mem up for sale when they want to recover their "Investment" Take a step back and look at the bigger picture, why would Wael spend £20m+ clearing the club debts etc, another £3m+ developing The Quarters, appoint 3 managers last season in a desperate attempt to keep us in L1, take all the stick from backing Barton, then just close the club down and sell the Mem? It seems doubtful now if he did that he'd get back anywhere near the £30m+ the ALQ's must have now spent on the club. I sense your post reflect the SC's committees own views and that is why they won't hand over the £50K, as they are worried Wael might run off with the money. don't get me wrong Topper, I've believed in our owner from day one and have ultimate faith that he will get us where we belong but some of the people around him advising beggars belief !. He/they should be uniting us into one big happy family but all i see in the club divided factions
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 20, 2021 11:49:56 GMT
Wasn't it also the case before the ALQ's took over, hasn't the ground been owned by BRFC1883 for a number of years? I thought the indications were this was the correct approach as if "BRFC" ever went bust then the ground itself was still protected from the administrators? Are people talking about the Charge on the Mem again? If so, that's not ownership but just a legal notification of financial interest. I doubt even Henbury knows what he's talking about, he's probably just repeating the nonsense still coming out of the SC/PC?
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Post by poorblue on Aug 20, 2021 11:52:55 GMT
I'm confused but not completely by who is who! ISTM others are as well by the garbled replies to this and other threads! For clarity if the following is incorrect can those AND ONLY THOSE who can definitively answer please put us all in the correct place.
BRFC ltd is the club name, league status and players ownership, match receipts as registered under the EFL.
BRFC 1883 ltd is the memorial stadium ownership only. They would charge the club to use the stadium including parking.
Dwyane Sports is the owner of the Quarters training ground. They would charge the club to use the ground.
Dwyane Sports owns BRFC Ltd and BRFC 1883 Ltd companies as subsidiaries.
BRFC Supporters Club is an independent fans club run by a committee of it's members under committee agreed rules. It has possibly 100- 200 members last I heard.
BRFC Presidents Club is an independent group of mainly wealthier (by most standards) fans who collectively hire 1 or 2 two boxes for their personal use and mutual benefit. I am not aware of any members who do not fit into these 2 boxes, it is limited to that total capacity. Decades ago at Eastville there was a major rift with the club about who supplied the pasties. They have been in existence for decades and have been a force for good and conflict with various Club owners. I am not aware they have a formal structure or committee. The boxes hold a maximum of 15 people so it's membership cannot exceed 30 if they still control 2 boxes.
BRFC 1883 Club is now a recently defunct independent fans club that was a spin off of the Presidents Club due to differences of opinion.
BRFC 1883 is not a club as such, it's a recently new open membership run formally by the club. It offers sponsorship naming rights on shirts, stadium signage, programme adverts etc in exchange for a set annual fee of more than £1000. Everyone is a winner as all bet a hospitality package depending on amount of annual fee. Members (participants) I understand is about 200. This ISTM is the 200 members some on here refer too as PC members? Young Pirates Club is an independent club run by the BRFC Supporters Club that DS is supporting this season by opening a new base for the members.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2021 12:00:12 GMT
Hang, draw and quarter them all i say, HT entertainment with the blue flames shaking the pom poms around the death zone... too far?
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Post by baggins on Aug 20, 2021 12:11:14 GMT
Hang, draw and quarter them all i say, HT entertainment with the blue flames shaking the pom poms around the death zone... too far? Are we 2 up by then?
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