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Post by scdave on Aug 29, 2021 8:36:25 GMT
Very rarely does a whole squad get bought in over the summer and become successful.
Look at Gerry's 89/90 squad.
In 1985/86 we had Carter, Carr, Dryden, Tanner, Scales, Yates, Jones, Percy, Penrice, White, Mehew, Morgan.
In 86/87 we brought in Jocky, Twentyman, Meacham and Hibbitt. The next season Martyn, Reece and White.
In 89/90 the only signing was Willmot as squad cover, until replacements were needed in Parkin and Saunders.
The team evolved an understanding, players were sold to help us break even but the squad formed a bond.
When losing 6-1 away at Blackpool, who thought, in 3-4 seasons this majority of this side is going to be a qreat squad?
Some players take time to settle. In their first seasons, who really rated Jocky, Hinton or even Campbell?
It used to be City fans who would slag of players after 3-4 games as rubbish signings.
Let's face it, if one of your work colleagues or bosses was accused of the things JB has been, wouldn't that affect your working relationship?
It is testing times, but the Gas seem to be better in adversity.
People talk about that Twerton spirit, but we have been at the Mem for 25 years. We need to get behind the players on the pitch. Let's start on Tuesday by supporting the young uns. Who knows they could be the equivalents of the Scales, Tanner, Boris and Penrices of the future.
Hopefully Bond has had the end of his "watching brief" and can use his experience to take hold and make a difference.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Aug 29, 2021 8:43:08 GMT
Agreed. Even when we were in the conference, our defence was basically the same as in our relegation year and that must have helped enormously.
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Post by daniel300380 on Aug 29, 2021 8:51:23 GMT
Player’s take time to settle. Look at how long Lambert and Roberts etc took to get going. We have a e whole squad that is trying to settle. On top of that, the player’s don’t know each other. It was always going to take time. But then that’s partly the managers fault, for changing the whole squad in one summer.
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Post by gasaholic on Aug 29, 2021 8:58:08 GMT
Player’s take time to settle. Look at how long Lambert and Roberts etc took to get going. We have a e whole squad that is trying to settle. On top of that, the player’s don’t know each other. It was always going to take time. But then that’s partly the managers fault, for changing the whole squad in one summer. So did the snake, took him ages to start scoring. |
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Post by Quarters on Aug 29, 2021 9:03:14 GMT
Not many applied this argument for Garner, who's record was better at this stage.
Last season we could see we were playing a certain way and that there was a chance that players could improve with confidence and coaching.
While I agree you have to give a manager time at the moment I see little hope of improvement.
Must be some amazing signings coming in!
Though what does that tell the players he has already bought in, sorry you are benched? Or does he drop Rodman and Grant as the last remaining players from last season?
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Aug 29, 2021 10:16:42 GMT
Very rarely does a whole squad get bought in over the summer and become successful. Look at Gerry's 89/90 squad. In 1985/86 we had Carter, Carr, Dryden, Tanner, Scales, Yates, Jones, Percy, Penrice, White, Mehew, Morgan. In 86/87 we brought in Jocky, Twentyman, Meacham and Hibbitt. The next season Martyn, Reece and White. In 89/90 the only signing was Willmot as squad cover, until replacements were needed in Parkin and Saunders. The team evolved an understanding, players were sold to help us break even but the squad formed a bond. When losing 6-1 away at Blackpool, who thought, in 3-4 seasons this majority of this side is going to be a qreat squad? Some players take time to settle. In their first seasons, who really rated Jocky, Hinton or even Campbell? It used to be City fans who would slag of players after 3-4 games as rubbish signings. Let's face it, if one of your work colleagues or bosses was accused of the things JB has been, wouldn't that affect your working relationship? It is testing times, but the Gas seem to be better in adversity. People talk about that Twerton spirit, but we have been at the Mem for 25 years. We need to get behind the players on the pitch. Let's start on Tuesday by supporting the young uns. Who knows they could be the equivalents of the Scales, Tanner, Boris and Penrices of the future. Hopefully Bond has had the end of his "watching brief" and can use his experience to take hold and make a difference. Excellent post, points well made. |
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Post by Quarters on Aug 29, 2021 10:24:37 GMT
Expectations of fans then were low, just happy the club was alive and still in tier 3.
Now we have just been relegated, sat in a stadium that while we own is not fit for purpose. We expect something better very soon, not bottom of T4.
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Post by mftc on Aug 29, 2021 10:46:23 GMT
Expectations of fans then were low, just happy the club was alive and still in tier 3. Now we have just been relegated, sat in a stadium that while we own is not fit for purpose. We expect something better very soon, not bottom of T4. My expectations are very low. And we do not own the ground but we do have the current support of the " ultimately controlling shareholder" of Dwayne sports. |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 29, 2021 10:52:12 GMT
The trouble is, this isn't part of a coherent plan.
Rip up the team and change 80% of it overnight.
Insist we're going to get promoted in our first year.
Know that it takes time to be successful.
Choose two of three.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 29, 2021 11:35:34 GMT
Player’s take time to settle. Look at how long Lambert and Roberts etc took to get going. We have a e whole squad that is trying to settle. On top of that, the player’s don’t know each other. It was always going to take time. But then that’s partly the managers fault, for changing the whole squad in one summer. Problem was it needed to be done, I can't recall many of us saying that they are sorry any of the players have left. Although did any of us really expect instant results given usually it takes us 5 years to get promoted once we're relegated. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Aug 29, 2021 11:38:43 GMT
Player’s take time to settle. Look at how long Lambert and Roberts etc took to get going. We have a e whole squad that is trying to settle. On top of that, the player’s don’t know each other. It was always going to take time. But then that’s partly the managers fault, for changing the whole squad in one summer. Problem was it needed to be done, I can't recall many of us saying that they are sorry any of the players have left. Although did any of us really expect instant results given usually it takes us 5 years to get promoted once we're relegated. I get that it needed to be done. But then fans are throwing their toys out the pram already and writing player’s off already. It was always going to take time. Problem you have, when it’s the whole squad is, they all lose confidence. Which makes it even harder. At some stage, we need some stability, within the squad. |
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Post by orgasmic on Aug 29, 2021 17:32:49 GMT
Swindon have managed it under far more difficult circumstances.
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Post by playtowin on Aug 29, 2021 17:54:27 GMT
Very rarely does a whole squad get bought in over the summer and become successful. Look at Gerry's 89/90 squad. In 1985/86 we had Carter, Carr, Dryden, Tanner, Scales, Yates, Jones, Percy, Penrice, White, Mehew, Morgan. In 86/87 we brought in Jocky, Twentyman, Meacham and Hibbitt. The next season Martyn, Reece and White. In 89/90 the only signing was Willmot as squad cover, until replacements were needed in Parkin and Saunders. The team evolved an understanding, players were sold to help us break even but the squad formed a bond. When losing 6-1 away at Blackpool, who thought, in 3-4 seasons this majority of this side is going to be a qreat squad? Some players take time to settle. In their first seasons, who really rated Jocky, Hinton or even Campbell? It used to be City fans who would slag of players after 3-4 games as rubbish signings. Let's face it, if one of your work colleagues or bosses was accused of the things JB has been, wouldn't that affect your working relationship? It is testing times, but the Gas seem to be better in adversity. People talk about that Twerton spirit, but we have been at the Mem for 25 years. We need to get behind the players on the pitch. Let's start on Tuesday by supporting the young uns. Who knows they could be the equivalents of the Scales, Tanner, Boris and Penrices of the future. Hopefully Bond has had the end of his "watching brief" and can use his experience to take hold and make a difference. All there was in 85 was a team with 5 future premier league (equivalent) players in it. Not a bad start...even then they struggled. Im not sure if Rovers have ever fielded a team with that many before or since...anyone ? |
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Post by richhertford on Aug 29, 2021 17:59:43 GMT
Very rarely does a whole squad get bought in over the summer and become successful. Look at Gerry's 89/90 squad. In 1985/86 we had Carter, Carr, Dryden, Tanner, Scales, Yates, Jones, Percy, Penrice, White, Mehew, Morgan. In 86/87 we brought in Jocky, Twentyman, Meacham and Hibbitt. The next season Martyn, Reece and White. In 89/90 the only signing was Willmot as squad cover, until replacements were needed in Parkin and Saunders. The team evolved an understanding, players were sold to help us break even but the squad formed a bond. When losing 6-1 away at Blackpool, who thought, in 3-4 seasons this majority of this side is going to be a qreat squad? Some players take time to settle. In their first seasons, who really rated Jocky, Hinton or even Campbell? It used to be City fans who would slag of players after 3-4 games as rubbish signings. Let's face it, if one of your work colleagues or bosses was accused of the things JB has been, wouldn't that affect your working relationship? It is testing times, but the Gas seem to be better in adversity. People talk about that Twerton spirit, but we have been at the Mem for 25 years. We need to get behind the players on the pitch. Let's start on Tuesday by supporting the young uns. Who knows they could be the equivalents of the Scales, Tanner, Boris and Penrices of the future. Hopefully Bond has had the end of his "watching brief" and can use his experience to take hold and make a difference. Spot on. Motivational stuff. Are we fans or just people that moan? |
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Post by Icegas on Aug 29, 2021 18:12:28 GMT
Problem was it needed to be done, I can't recall many of us saying that they are sorry any of the players have left. Although did any of us really expect instant results given usually it takes us 5 years to get promoted once we're relegated. I get that it needed to be done. But then fans are throwing their toys out the pram already and writing player’s off already. It was always going to take time. Problem you have, when it’s the whole squad is, they all lose confidence. Which makes it even harder. At some stage, we need some stability, within the squad. Problem is that out of our last 3 appointments we have had the Two worst managers we have ever had in our history of our club in charge and I include John Ward mark 2. BG ( dispite his start at Swindon) is our worst IMHO and gave us our first big push down this current hill we are falling.JB is 2nd as he blamed everyone else but himself for us going down last year which I gave him the benefit of the doubt for as I agreed.Now he is just taking the P?!s and talking sh**e. This team is his,and even last season with it not being his players he should have shown alittle ability as a coach to get something out of them but he never. No excuse today. If performances were good and you could see signs of improvement and where we are going then that's one thing, but right now it's as bad if not worse than last season. I get why fans are staying don't fire him,I do...and I agree as I'm old school and like managers to have time ( a few years at a club) - but make no mistake about it we are currently heading out of the league with this man in charge and that CAN NOT be aloud to happen AGAIN as we wouldn't have DC to save us this time. Wael, respect you and your efforts and I feel sorry for you, but if you don't act/make the right decision in regards to Barton then that £24 million will be for nothing if we end back up on non league as it will end our club. Forget this promotion crap, let's just stop our ship from sinking. This club is toxic right now.We are heading one way in free fall. |
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Post by Gassy on Aug 29, 2021 18:23:26 GMT
What people seem to be forgetting is that most fans are actually more reasonable than you’d think.
Barton promised us fight, fitness and passion. If we were midtable right now but showed signs of positivity, most would be ok with that.
The problem is that we’re not seeing any of what Barton promised, so fans are less willing to give them time to gel.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 29, 2021 18:30:39 GMT
What people seem to be forgetting is that most fans are actually more reasonable than you’d think. Barton promised us fight, fitness and passion. If we were midtable right now but showed signs of positivity, most would be ok with that. The problem is that we’re not seeing any of what Barton promised, so fans are less willing to give them time to gel. So if we'd won yesterday and the 2 extra points took us to mid table then everything would be OK today, as we didn't Wael must act now and fire Barton? |
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Post by seanclevedongas on Aug 29, 2021 18:47:44 GMT
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Post by Gassy on Aug 29, 2021 18:53:58 GMT
What people seem to be forgetting is that most fans are actually more reasonable than you’d think. Barton promised us fight, fitness and passion. If we were midtable right now but showed signs of positivity, most would be ok with that. The problem is that we’re not seeing any of what Barton promised, so fans are less willing to give them time to gel. So if we'd won yesterday and the 2 extra points took us to mid table then everything would be OK today, as we didn't Wael must act now and fire Barton? No, where did I say that? You really jump to random conclusions topper. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 29, 2021 19:42:10 GMT
So if we'd won yesterday and the 2 extra points took us to mid table then everything would be OK today, as we didn't Wael must act now and fire Barton? No, where did I say that? You really jump to random conclusions topper. You posted "if we were mid table and showing positivity" a win yesterday would have been a positive result and would have taken us to a mid table position? |
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