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Post by richhertford on Aug 30, 2021 11:04:48 GMT
Well written piece. Not an enjoyable read. It’s incredibly easy to write pieces like this that reminds people of the history. It’s also easy to point the finger and say get rid of this person or this person. It’s the most easiest thing to do in life. Blame them over there. Dump them. Do that and we will all be happy. A similar more difficult piece would be to write an upbeat forward thinking piece that inspires fans. Let’s be honest, when we win the next few matches and get in play offs majority of fans will be happy. This piece might not be so relevant in two months time. Luckily Sam’s after match interview was insightful, intelligent inspiring and hopeful. Let’s try getting behind the club on here like the majority of fans going to matches. Onwards and upwards. Honestly, you've got some neck criticising people for writing stuff that is easy to write. There's nothing easier to write than some of the bullshit you come up with. Let's be really positive, here. Coz I'm so positive, I'm the most positive person on here, and this is how everyone should think and if you don't think exactly like me then you're too negative. Security goal: Be positive. Not as positive as me coz I'm really positive, but quite positive. Realistic Goal: Be really positive, very positive indeed. Stretching Goal: Be really really positive and bung in some magical thinking bollox. Ground Breaking Goal: Absolutely as posiivitive as me. So poivieikoiulkuhsdga.,jh;ioj.kjn;ku;oiasdg;lkn.;oP SDFLIB NKLJa WSOIPER FMNJP FP9G aioerlnv oPERPJ MERPJ porl gp[
Thanks Antonio. I appreciate that you are not a fan of my positive posts or my views. I agree with you, my positive meanderings through the last ten years of Rovers life, are very easy to write. As it happens, I’m not always positive and can easily slip into negative habits. Luckily l, I now spot when negative thought patterns get in the way of my relationships and enjoyment of life. In my personal life, I am incredibly lucky. I surround myself with people who are positive, enthusiastic and this helps me maintain balance in my life. Not everyone has this good fortune. I’ve had my own personal ground breaking goal to achieve. Back in 2015 I was told I had maybe 5-15 years to live as I had a very slow growing cancer in my bone marrow. When I was diagnosed i had choices. I decided to take on the challenge and fight the problem. I had to be hopeful as a coping mechanism. The people around me worked with me to take on the challenge of my life. Blood tests suggest that I am now in good health today. I do appreciate that my stuff is not everyone’s cup of tea but I have the same challenges as everyone. I just choose to see the positive side of things as it makes me happier. You and I want Rovers to be successful my friend. I think we can agree on that. All the best for the season.
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Post by richhertford on Aug 30, 2021 11:06:36 GMT
Well written piece. Not an enjoyable read. It’s incredibly easy to write pieces like this that reminds people of the history. It’s also easy to point the finger and say get rid of this person or this person. It’s the most easiest thing to do in life. Blame them over there. Dump them. Do that and we will all be happy. A similar more difficult piece would be to write an upbeat forward thinking piece that provides insight on the way forward and inspires the fans. Let’s be honest, when we win the next few matches and get in play offs majority of fans will be happy. This piece might not be so relevant in two months time when we are winning matches. Luckily Sam’s after match interview was insightful, intelligent, inspiring and hopeful. You could feel his passion and enjoyment of his increasing levels of fitness. Let’s try getting behind the club on here like the majority of fans going to matches. I’m certain not everyone will agree with me but we all know winning matches will change our perception. Onwards and upwards my friends. . Sorry, Rich. But this is just outright rude. Writing something which is a constructive critique of where the club has gone wrong is not easy. It requires thought and careful consideration. What is easy is ignoring everything which has happened up until now (and I mean right this second because you also want to ignore ongoing issues) and saying "look closer my friend be positive about going forward". People tolerate and even encourage the sh**e you spout on here. Why don't you just give a little consideration to the views of others? Sorry, you are right. I have read the article again. Clearly, some of my comments were inconsiderate. It was just a difficult uninspiring read for me. The article would have been more complete if it included a considerable length on a positive way forward. I appreciate others have liked it.
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Post by skin01 on Aug 30, 2021 11:11:41 GMT
Excellent post. I've been going for 52 years and this is the lowest point.im struggling to go to games as its so boring. My 3 kids have lost interest as have lots of mates.
The club I love is slowly dieing.
The admin and organisation is a shambles. The stadium is a disgrace. I could go on but what's the point?
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Aug 30, 2021 11:17:09 GMT
Well written piece. Not an enjoyable read. It’s incredibly easy to write pieces like this that reminds people of the history. It’s also easy to point the finger and say get rid of this person or this person. It’s the most easiest thing to do in life. Blame them over there. Dump them. Do that and we will all be happy. A similar more difficult piece would be to write an upbeat forward thinking piece that provides insight on the way forward and inspires the fans. Let’s be honest, when we win the next few matches and get in play offs majority of fans will be happy. This piece might not be so relevant in two months time when we are winning matches. Luckily Sam’s after match interview was insightful, intelligent, inspiring and hopeful. You could feel his passion and enjoyment of his increasing levels of fitness. Let’s try getting behind the club on here like the majority of fans going to matches. I’m certain not everyone will agree with me but we all know winning matches will change our perception. Onwards and upwards my friends. . Let us know when you write your upbeat forward thinking piece with insight on the way forward and then we can take your knee-jerk critique of this well researched and constructed piece a little more seriously. Currently, your positive-vibes posts contain little more insightful substance than 'think positive = win' which has hardly a proven track record of success so far. You couldn't have a better name frankly, Rich.
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Post by richhertford on Aug 30, 2021 11:22:56 GMT
Well written piece. Not an enjoyable read. It’s incredibly easy to write pieces like this that reminds people of the history. It’s also easy to point the finger and say get rid of this person or this person. It’s the most easiest thing to do in life. Blame them over there. Dump them. Do that and we will all be happy. A similar more difficult piece would be to write an upbeat forward thinking piece that provides insight on the way forward and inspires the fans. Let’s be honest, when we win the next few matches and get in play offs majority of fans will be happy. This piece might not be so relevant in two months time when we are winning matches. Luckily Sam’s after match interview was insightful, intelligent, inspiring and hopeful. You could feel his passion and enjoyment of his increasing levels of fitness. Let’s try getting behind the club on here like the majority of fans going to matches. I’m certain not everyone will agree with me but we all know winning matches will change our perception. Onwards and upwards my friends. . Let us know when you write your upbeat forward thinking piece with insight on the way forward and then we can take your knee-jerk critique of this well researched and constructed piece a little more seriously. Currently, your positive-vibes posts contain little more insightful substance than 'think positive = win' which has hardly a proven track record of success so far. You couldn't have a better name frankly, Rich. It’s not positive enough for me. I’m not a expert on how to run a football club so I don’t feel qualified to offer a way forward. I’m just a fan that wants us to be successful. You are right, my positive vibes are clearly not insightful. I didn’t choose my name. 😄
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Post by richhertford on Aug 30, 2021 11:26:08 GMT
Well written piece. Not an enjoyable read. It’s incredibly easy to write pieces like this that reminds people of the history. It’s also easy to point the finger and say get rid of this person or this person. It’s the most easiest thing to do in life. Blame them over there. Dump them. Do that and we will all be happy. A similar more difficult piece would be to write an upbeat forward thinking piece that provides insight on the way forward and inspires the fans. Let’s be honest, when we win the next few matches and get in play offs majority of fans will be happy. This piece might not be so relevant in two months time when we are winning matches. Luckily Sam’s after match interview was insightful, intelligent, inspiring and hopeful. You could feel his passion and enjoyment of his increasing levels of fitness. Let’s try getting behind the club on here like the majority of fans going to matches. I’m certain not everyone will agree with me but we all know winning matches will change our perception. Onwards and upwards my friends. . Let us know when you write your upbeat forward thinking piece with insight on the way forward and then we can take your knee-jerk critique of this well researched and constructed piece a little more seriously. Currently, your positive-vibes posts contain little more insightful substance than 'think positive = win' which has hardly a proven track record of success so far. You couldn't have a better name frankly, Rich. The post is not positive enough for me about the way forward. I’m not an expert on how to run a football club so I don’t feel qualified to offer an insight to the way forward. Like you, I’m just a fan that wants us to be successful. You are right, my positive vibes are clearly not insightful. They never intended to. As for my name, I didn’t choose it.😄
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Post by peterhooper57 on Aug 30, 2021 11:29:13 GMT
Excellent post. I've been going for 52 years and this is the lowest point.im struggling to go to games as its so boring. My 3 kids have lost interest as have lots of mates. The club I love is slowly dieing. The admin and organisation is a shambles. The stadium is a disgrace. I could go on but what's the point? Get your chin up. I have been following the Gas for a long time, have 4 sons all proud to be and follow the Gas, they like I have mates who follow the Gas, I have grandsons who will follow the Gas. Come on being a Gashead is a something you do, you are. People who constantly moan about where we are in the league are just going to be disappointed. Yes the ground is terrible, but its the only one we have got, with no one with any money looking to invest. Just focus on supporting the boys. Utg
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Aug 30, 2021 11:30:54 GMT
Let us know when you write your upbeat forward thinking piece with insight on the way forward and then we can take your knee-jerk critique of this well researched and constructed piece a little more seriously. Currently, your positive-vibes posts contain little more insightful substance than 'think positive = win' which has hardly a proven track record of success so far. You couldn't have a better name frankly, Rich. The post is not positive enough for me about the way forward. I’m not an expert on how to run a football club so I don’t feel qualified to offer an insight to the way forward. Like you, I’m just a fan that wants us to be successful. You are right, my positive vibes are clearly not insightful. They never intended to. As for my name, I didn’t choose it.😄 I disagree. This is a fan who is willing to find the root cause of the rot to allow for positive change. That is in my opinion far more conductive to positive change than gloss and ignorance. Positive change requires meaningful ACTION. Consider this, if his post leads to actual reflection and meaningful positive change, whos post is the most 'positive'? You may find it difficult to swallow, as may we all, but continuous improvement requires structured analysis right? Kaizen, again.
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Post by richhertford on Aug 30, 2021 11:39:01 GMT
The post is not positive enough for me about the way forward. I’m not an expert on how to run a football club so I don’t feel qualified to offer an insight to the way forward. Like you, I’m just a fan that wants us to be successful. You are right, my positive vibes are clearly not insightful. They never intended to. As for my name, I didn’t choose it.😄 I disagree. This is a fan who is willing to find the root cause of the rot to allow for positive change. That is in my opinion far more conductive to positive change than gloss and ignorance. Positive change requires meaningful ACTION. Consider this, if his post leads to actual reflection and meaningful positive change, whos post is the most 'positive'? You may find it difficult to swallow, as may we all, but continuous improvement requires structured analysis right? Kaizen, again. I agree that action follows identification of problems. This is one view from afar. Only those close to the action can know the real issues that need to be addressed. I doubt that musings on here make any difference or any meaningful change. It’s just a fans forum. I’m not competing on best posts. My posts clearly are short, with no structured analysis. I’m just a fan wanting to win. All posts and views are relevant.
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Post by bluestone on Aug 30, 2021 11:44:56 GMT
Martin seems to call for Barton to go and he won’t come back until he’s gone . He also says he’s fed up with wholesale changes in players and coaches etc . So does he want just the manger to go but keep the players who can’t win a game of football ? Trouble is we've had a bunch of players who couldn't win football matches under BG, but could under GC, replaced by some players who had some decent results but were relegated without a whimper through a bunch of seemingly senseless managerial upheavals, followed by what we have now. If they continue to be this poor under JB, it doesn't make me think they must be poor under another manager. We keep recruiting players who seem variously decent/ok/mediocre on paper, just like every other team. The common denominator for consistent failure seems to be BRFC, not the players. Exactly this AF. I've come to opinion (logical in my mind) that the issue we have cannot simply be down to poor recruitment of bad players as on the whole they come with a good / reasonable reputation. The fact that so many that we have let go have gone to play for teams who are higher and performing better than us is evidence that they have talent is just that we have failed to nurture that talent. I've no idea exactly what the cause of our failure over the last 18 months is (it could be a number of things perhaps?) but imo a lack of satisfactory footballers it definitely isn't. I've said it before but we are being incredibly wasteful (financially and on a human capital level) by constantly making sweeping changes to the team. I find it quite ironic that Waels mantra has always been "evolution not revolution" for BRFC yet when it comes to the actual football team since the appointment of BG we appear to going for "revolution not evolution"!
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 30, 2021 12:58:10 GMT
The post is not positive enough for me about the way forward. I’m not an expert on how to run a football club so I don’t feel qualified to offer an insight to the way forward. Like you, I’m just a fan that wants us to be successful. You are right, my positive vibes are clearly not insightful. They never intended to. As for my name, I didn’t choose it.😄 I disagree. This is a fan who is willing to find the root cause of the rot to allow for positive change. That is in my opinion far more conductive to positive change than gloss and ignorance. Positive change requires meaningful ACTION. Consider this, if his post leads to actual reflection and meaningful positive change, whos post is the most 'positive'? You may find it difficult to swallow, as may we all, but continuous improvement requires structured analysis right? Kaizen, again. Wasn't Colin Gibson brought in to identify issues with the way the club was being run, one of his first actions seems to be to, roughly in my view, resolve the issues between the club and the SC/PC, does the OP support the action being taken?
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 30, 2021 12:59:37 GMT
Trouble is we've had a bunch of players who couldn't win football matches under BG, but could under GC, replaced by some players who had some decent results but were relegated without a whimper through a bunch of seemingly senseless managerial upheavals, followed by what we have now. If they continue to be this poor under JB, it doesn't make me think they must be poor under another manager. We keep recruiting players who seem variously decent/ok/mediocre on paper, just like every other team. The common denominator for consistent failure seems to be BRFC, not the players. Exactly this AF. I've come to opinion (logical in my mind) that the issue we have cannot simply be down to poor recruitment of bad players as on the whole they come with a good / reasonable reputation. The fact that so many that we have let go have gone to play for teams who are higher and performing better than us is evidence that they have talent is just that we have failed to nurture that talent. I've no idea exactly what the cause of our failure over the last 18 months is (it could be a number of things perhaps?) but imo a lack of satisfactory footballers it definitely isn't. I've said it before but we are being incredibly wasteful (financially and on a human capital level) by constantly making sweeping changes to the team. I find it quite ironic that Waels mantra has always been "evolution not revolution" for BRFC yet when it comes to the actual football team since the appointment of BG we appear to going for "revolution not evolution"! Pretty certain it's a case of "promotion at whatever it takes"? If it means losing the odd fan on the way then so be it.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 30, 2021 13:05:27 GMT
Exactly this AF. I've come to opinion (logical in my mind) that the issue we have cannot simply be down to poor recruitment of bad players as on the whole they come with a good / reasonable reputation. The fact that so many that we have let go have gone to play for teams who are higher and performing better than us is evidence that they have talent is just that we have failed to nurture that talent. I've no idea exactly what the cause of our failure over the last 18 months is (it could be a number of things perhaps?) but imo a lack of satisfactory footballers it definitely isn't. I've said it before but we are being incredibly wasteful (financially and on a human capital level) by constantly making sweeping changes to the team. I find it quite ironic that Waels mantra has always been "evolution not revolution" for BRFC yet when it comes to the actual football team since the appointment of BG we appear to going for "revolution not evolution"! Pretty certain it's a case of "promotion at whatever it takes"? If it means losing the odd fan on the way then so be it. Except it contributed to our relegation.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 30, 2021 14:00:45 GMT
Pretty certain it's a case of "promotion at whatever it takes"? If it means losing the odd fan on the way then so be it. Except it contributed to our relegation. Not sure it did, if Barton had managed to keep us up things may have turned out differently this summer, it was only after Nicholson was injured the great reset was commenced.
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Post by gruad on Aug 30, 2021 15:38:26 GMT
The scary fact is that JB seems to think the series of results should not be happening to him.
He has taken his philosophy and applied it extremely industriously to Rovers and therefore we should be winning. (No one can accuse him of being lazy).
So he is either the problem runs deeper than he thought as he seems to now be saying, or he lacks the capacity to manage, or he has been incredibly unlucky.
Let's hope, like DC, his relegation and terrible start is down to bad luck.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 30, 2021 16:09:59 GMT
So decent he apparently went behind Wael's back to try and set up a deal with the Fruit Market developers to sell the club regardless as to whether Weal wanted to sell up or not. Steve Hamer was working directly under Hani at the time and carrying out his wishes to negotiate with the FM developers. You can accuse him of being a piggy in the middle of Hani and Wael but not behind his back. Steve Hamers wheels fell off when he failed to disclose the details of a further potential bidder for the club and that was when he lost Hani's trust and he was out the door. And I'm certain that Hamer, along with other ex board members were totally not going to personally benefit from the undisclosed deal. Because if they were to, I'm sure they would have used every trick in the book, including using loyal and well meaning people in the process to undermine the AQ family and Wael in particular. Thank goodness they didn't.
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Post by cj on Aug 30, 2021 16:52:43 GMT
Brilliant post MM. I don't agree with some of it (Hamer) but most of it, it is spot on in my opinion.
It is an uncomfortable read because it shows how bad things are. I can see the hurt and pain in your words.
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Post by Colyton Gas on Aug 30, 2021 17:04:37 GMT
So important to admit we are in a perilous state as a club as many are eternal optimists asking us to stay positive.Relegation ,Current league position,Awful stadium and the pace at which we are falling behind is very scary.Something needs to happen very soon before it's too late. Going to Braintree and Alfreton.Couldn't face that again but Barrow wasn't exactly memorable.Still ,Harrogate and Sutton to come.Every game and every season I hope it will get better and we have at least one new stand in place of a tent but the Mem still looks the same to me year after year.Exeter was an awful performance .Eastville was better in 1959 than the Mem now.
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Post by wertongas on Aug 30, 2021 18:30:20 GMT
very good thread, i have been saying for ages how badly run this club is. Starnes was brought in to help Wael run the club, at the time we were a decent league i club, since being at the club can anyone tell me one positive improvement the club has made, poor managerial appointments, relegation, talk of a new stadium disappeared, i can't see anything that he has added to the club. When Hamer was Chairman he was an approachable person who was always willing to answer questions. Try to speak to Starnes he just ignores you, what a difference. Widdrington is similar may have helped bring in one or two decent players but overall has been of little use to this club, both these arrogant board room members need to go. Wael needs to stand up get tough and show his leadership and get shot of these leaches on our football club. Barton should have been given a short term contract until the end of last season, he said he would keep us up if he did he could then have been honoured with a longer contract, if he didn't like the terms he could go else where. Barton has kept on saying what he is going to do, promotion, new players, really he is panicking , he knows if we sack him he is unlikely to get another job, I said when he joined he was in the last chance saloon,he is more than ever now.
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Post by mehewmagic on Aug 30, 2021 19:53:08 GMT
Brilliant post MM. I don't agree with some of it (Hamer) but most of it, it is spot on in my opinion. It is an uncomfortable read because it shows how bad things are. I can see the hurt and pain in your words. Thanks. Sorry all for slow follow up but my kids gave me COVID-19 so my energy levels have been up and down a bit! I haven't followed the forums for several years now, so apologies for not being on here usually, and no disrespect, but once school starts I won't be back on - LOL. I do read occasionally. Re Steve Hamer - maybe I should have written something broader, like 'in my limited personal experience of him'. I'm not interested in politics and lack of definite knowledge so I genuinely don't know all of that stuff, but I can say from my limited personal experience of him he came across as a decent guy, and this is after my first ever contact with him being a very snotty email passed through Keith Brookman not long after the takeover. My point is that that first (and only email) encounter did not totally blindside me or define what (admittedly little) I later saw in him as someone interested in the history and heritage of lower level football and lower level football supporters. That's all I can judge him on - he certainly was a 'friend' of lower level supporters in general.
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