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Post by Jomo on Oct 2, 2021 19:58:10 GMT
That's all well and good but Joey either plays our "flair" players out of position or on the bench and whilst Nicholson is a good player, he's not enough on his own to turn this sinking ship around to places where we want to be. I hope Wael doesn't show more Naivety on top of the Naivety he's shown already. It was worrying to me how laid back and relaxed that wael seemed to be , he acknowledged today wasn’t good enough but to me , he will be sticking with JB and thinks it will all turn around. I’m just hoping that he’s keeping his real feelings in check and will get rid ! Wael is probably one of the most naive people out there. The way he permitted JB to conduct a reset of staff and players despite his impending assault trial (the first one) still beggars belief. I do really appreciate the support Wael has given this club, but he should just not make any more footballing decisions. He is entirely incompetent.
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Post by casey12a on Oct 2, 2021 20:01:30 GMT
Starting to turn against Wael now if I'm honest. Blokes complete inept decision making will be the death of this club. Get Barton out NOW ffs Sorry but how can you turn against a bloke who is keeping us afloat? What are the options, hound him out of the club so that we fold?
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Post by oliverhelmet on Oct 2, 2021 20:01:46 GMT
I think it would be imprudent to turn this offer down entirely. If it is true,then Wael needs to show a bit of backbone and give him a couple of games maximum to at least try something different tactically in games in an attempt at turning the tide.What we’re doing and have done is proven to be a failure and will no doubt continue that way.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 2, 2021 20:05:22 GMT
The squad is too big no doubt,but there are good players in that squad for sure. Is Taylor going to be out long ? The injury list is as big as some teams senior players list ! Are we the unluckiest team in the UK ? We're the most negligent. Really, apart from possibly Clarke which signing was "negligent"?
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Oct 2, 2021 20:07:49 GMT
Starting to turn against Wael now if I'm honest. Blokes complete inept decision making will be the death of this club. Get Barton out NOW ffs Sorry but how can you turn against a bloke who is keeping us afloat? What are the options, hound him out of the club so that we fold? You and I have very different ideas about what floating is.
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Post by seanclevedongas on Oct 2, 2021 20:08:47 GMT
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Post by yattongas on Oct 2, 2021 20:09:32 GMT
Naive. No incompetent. No negligent. Reality check Mr Al-Qaedi. Joey Barton faces not one but two significant court cases in the coming weeks. The court cases will be his primary focus during November and December - not his job. The conviction rate for assault is 75%. This means a 92.5% probability of conviction. This assumes you aren’t going to go back on your promise to sack if convicted (or ask him to manage from his cell). Each day that you live in denial and bury your head in the sand is a day that our next manager (Michael Flynn or whoever) could be in post, fully focussed on the job in hand, giving him time to turn this team into a competitive outfit in this league. So are you naive, incompetent or negligent? The supporters of this club need to make clear to the owner HIS performance is unacceptable. £5 says he gets found not guilty on both counts.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 2, 2021 20:11:51 GMT
I can't afford to keep wasting time and money watching the sh** Barton is serving up. Maybe I'll join the other stay aways and perhaps decreased attendances will make Wael sit up and take notice? It was a decision I made Pirate, not an easy one but one I am now convinced was the right one. I don’t want him at my club and won’t go until he has gone. Not only is he an unsavoury character, his football is dire and his tactical awareness non existent If true and Wael has the option to avoid compensation, it’s a no brainer surely? He’s had what? 30 odd games now and his record is dreadful. He’s just been well beaten by a team put together on a shoe string by a manager he called negligent. The fan base is completely divided and the club a mess Get shot NOW and bring in someone dedicated to the cause. Is the fan base really that divided, I can't see many fans still support JB after today's lackluster performance? Garner's Swindon taught us a footballing lesson and they've hardly been on a great run recently. I'm sensing JB is totally out of his depth and he's never going to turn the Titanic around.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 2, 2021 20:13:02 GMT
Sorry but how can you turn against a bloke who is keeping us afloat? What are the options, hound him out of the club so that we fold? You and I have very different ideas about what floating is. So you'd choose administration then?
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Post by garythegas on Oct 2, 2021 20:15:02 GMT
Just when you think it can't get any worse, Wael get your head out of your ass and fire him now. The anger that is being directed against JB will soon be directed against our hapless and delusional president. I think tonight is the lowest I have felt in my 50+ years of following Rovers and that includes relegation to the conference, why can us supporters see that JB is a total fraud with no idea how to arrest our fall. He has put together the worst squad of players I can remember, no pace, no flair, no ability to think for themselves and sadly it appears no great belief in themselves. I think the last substitution summed up Barton's ineptitude, ffs Westbrook.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Oct 2, 2021 20:15:59 GMT
You and I have very different ideas about what floating is. So you'd choose administration then? And you'd choose a nice slow death instead. Horses for courses. You tell me topper, what part of dropping 1 tier and 40 odd places down the football league within a couple of yearsn, and still dropping, constitutes 'staying afloat'? Because I dont think I'd let you captain my boat skip.
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Post by Icegas on Oct 2, 2021 20:18:03 GMT
This is Bristol reporting that he said to wael if you want me to go I'll leave without compensation, but Wael is fully behind him. Your thoughts? Basically he is saying he is giving up and not good enough. That's a Awlful sign. Wael now is as much to blame for what happens in the future as Barton given not excepting JB offer.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 2, 2021 20:23:10 GMT
We're the most negligent. Really, apart from possibly Clarke which signing was "negligent"? It's a call back to Barton calling the previous managers negligent for their training practices. As you're new here, and you've never posted on here before, I understand you might have missed the many previous discussions on the matter and the countless previous mentions of negligence on here.
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Post by playtowin on Oct 2, 2021 20:23:55 GMT
Starting to turn against Wael now if I'm honest. Blokes complete inept decision making will be the death of this club. Get Barton out NOW ffs Sorry but how can you turn against a bloke who is keeping us afloat? What are the options, hound him out of the club so that we fold? Perhaps wael needs to be an owner and let others run the clubs various aspects. I might be questioning some senior staffs abilities and looking for potential replacements. Fans wont like this...but... Wael needs to stop bailing the club out financially. If we are losing money then the budget has to be cut . That will mean a smaller senior squad with more of the academy players making up the numbers. The club as a whole (including fans) needs to have an honest conversation about who we are and what are our actual needs and expectations. That is a conversation about rovers today not rovers of the 50s and 60s. Not how many fans go to wembley.Not a rovers that might play in the championship some day. Rovers that are a league one league 2 yoyo team. What is needed to make THAT rovers sustainable and stable and hopefully a settled league one team. Decades of super stadium talks to support a championship/premier league team have been pointless and actually harmful to the club. Lets become a good league one team with a good league one stadium. We can worry about anything else if it happens.
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Post by Raj Gas on Oct 2, 2021 20:33:40 GMT
This is Bristol reporting that he said to wael if you want me to go I'll leave without compensation, but Wael is fully behind him. Your thoughts? Basically he is saying he is giving up and not good enough. That's a Awlful sign. Wael now is as much to blame for what happens in the future as Barton given not excepting JB offer. I thought the same as soon as I read what was said, I really hope these two know what they are doing but I really have my doubts. Our board and management have no real affinity with this club and sadly I think it shows.
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Post by southbristolgas on Oct 2, 2021 20:38:34 GMT
Despite having a season card i won't be attending again until JB is out the door. He will never turn this around.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2021 20:40:13 GMT
Football club ownership is for wealthy successful individuals, families, corporations and even States. It’s now a business transaction for these owners. Failure or success is par for the course as is most of the operations they control. It’s like collecting super yachts, property cars ect. A great expression of wealth, and an opportunity to tap into huge revenues, when you get to the top of the tree. Fair play to these individuals, if I had my time again I wish I had been this ruthless. Unfortunately for me I have a moral compass, which means I couldn’t do it to customers fans people who ever it effects. I have nothing against Wael what’s so ever, but we have to accept that this is a business transaction that potentially will reap rewards for the owner or when it costs to much it’s more prudent to liquidate and write off against other business interests. There is a football fan in there with Wael, ultimately he is a businessman/ from a business family. We can only hope he continues to be interested in our club, otherwise we will be in the hands of another multimillionaire businessman/ woman with much the same until they get bored or run out of money, or dare I say it see sense. Negative I know but realistic until the fashion of owning a football club fades or sky and BT stop demanding Billons to show footy on the tele. Soap box back in the garage………
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Post by RD on Oct 2, 2021 20:43:08 GMT
Starting to turn against Wael now if I'm honest. Blokes complete inept decision making will be the death of this club. Get Barton out NOW ffs Sorry but how can you turn against a bloke who is keeping us afloat? What are the options, hound him out of the club so that we fold? Not at all - doesn't mean you can't have an opinion on his woefully inept performance thus far though, does it?
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Post by Gas-Ed on Oct 2, 2021 20:59:20 GMT
This has relegation written all over it. A disengaged fanbase and poor side.
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Post by LJG on Oct 2, 2021 21:05:25 GMT
Sorry but how can you turn against a bloke who is keeping us afloat? What are the options, hound him out of the club so that we fold? Perhaps wael needs to be an owner and let others run the clubs various aspects. I might be questioning some senior staffs abilities and looking for potential replacements. Fans wont like this...but... Wael needs to stop bailing the club out financially. If we are losing money then the budget has to be cut . That will mean a smaller senior squad with more of the academy players making up the numbers. The club as a whole (including fans) needs to have an honest conversation about who we are and what are our actual needs and expectations. That is a conversation about rovers today not rovers of the 50s and 60s. Not how many fans go to wembley.Not a rovers that might play in the championship some day. Rovers that are a league one league 2 yoyo team. What is needed to make THAT rovers sustainable and stable and hopefully a settled league one team. Decades of super stadium talks to support a championship/premier league team have been pointless and actually harmful to the club. Lets become a good league one team with a good league one stadium. We can worry about anything else if it happens. This is exactly right and failure to do so is almost always the reason a club ceases to exist - Bury, Darlington, Chester and so many more - the similarities in those stories are all so striking: an owner trying to buy success up the pyramid instead of nurturing and stabilising what they have. I would recommend everyone listen to the podcast Out of Our League available on BBC Sounds and Spotify about the collapse of Bury.
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