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Post by oldie on Oct 24, 2021 14:45:41 GMT
I know, but as in all things, we shouldn't conflate the voices and actions of a vociferous minority into a belief that they are a force, whatever their political hue. Speaking from the Centre Left position. Centre left. I remember that. Decent responsible people. I get the same, if you’re a classical liberal you’re a “natsi” these days An interesting debate for another thread perhaps.
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Post by gulfofaden on Oct 24, 2021 14:56:36 GMT
Centre left. I remember that. Decent responsible people. I get the same, if you’re a classical liberal you’re a “natsi” these days An interesting debate for another thread perhaps. No let’s keep it going. Everyone loves politics. No drawbacks. ;-)
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Post by olskooltoteender on Oct 24, 2021 15:11:01 GMT
JB has used the "h" word before in an interview - saw it referenced last night, but can't find it now. Rovers fans were Tweeting national journalists, and David Baddiel about it last night - so can't really complain about the bad publicity, when they chose to highlight it. Not a very wise choice of words by JB, however, it seems that a lot of the people who are up in arms have not even heard the context in which it was used - they're more interested in getting attention on Twitter. The club did the right thing by editing it out, and I think that JB should come out and explain the context and apologise to anybody who was offended. Why would "rovers fan" tweet national journalists about it? Ffs. Bringing more negative attention onto Barton I guess? I am now firmly in the camp that believes he has to go for footballing reasons, but I really do not think for a second that he was casually referencing the industrialised slaughter of nearly 7 million men, women & children in a post-match interview. This is just people reaching for something else to beat him with (like there aren’t enough as it is!)and clutching their pearls in faux outrage because he used a word they clearly don’t fully understand. Perhaps we should cancel Brian Ferry for daring to write a song called “Slave to Love” as it might offend people in the Southern US, or Cliff Richard for referencing Satanism when he wrote “Devil Woman”? Or how about banning the song “Vindaloo” because of cultural misappropriation?
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Post by cj on Oct 24, 2021 15:26:02 GMT
JB has used the "h" word before in an interview - saw it referenced last night, but can't find it now. Rovers fans were Tweeting national journalists, and David Baddiel about it last night - so can't really complain about the bad publicity, when they chose to highlight it. Not a very wise choice of words by JB, however, it seems that a lot of the people who are up in arms have not even heard the context in which it was used - they're more interested in getting attention on Twitter. The club did the right thing by editing it out, and I think that JB should come out and explain the context and apologise to anybody who was offended.100%.
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Post by olskooltoteender on Oct 24, 2021 15:28:43 GMT
Can't really argue with that tbf. Perhaps it is just the fact, that I, and I'm sure most others have never heard it used in an analogy before, certainly not in a post match press conference anyway Think it was just him trying to seem intelligent again and just adds to all the other strange quotes that leave his mouth Agreed, and I too would not argue with the points GoA made. Although I would have added aspects of British history, such is the poverty of education in our history. Does anyone actually wear a Stalin depicted T Shirt? Or even a Mao one these days? Fair comments, although there are plenty of people still wearing the ubiquitous Che Guevara t-shirts, even though come the end he was raiding the farms of the very people he was supposed to be championing. I too wouldn’t have personally used the word “holocaust” in the context that Barton did, but as I said elsewhere, I think he has a limited grasp of the finer points of the English language and an overwhelming desire to appear more intelligent than he actually is. This is evident in his interviews, which are full of mixed metaphors and malapropisms.
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Post by casey12a on Oct 24, 2021 15:29:21 GMT
JB has used the "h" word before in an interview - saw it referenced last night, but can't find it now. Rovers fans were Tweeting national journalists, and David Baddiel about it last night - so can't really complain about the bad publicity, when they chose to highlight it. Not a very wise choice of words by JB, however, it seems that a lot of the people who are up in arms have not even heard the context in which it was used - they're more interested in getting attention on Twitter. The club did the right thing by editing it out, and I think that JB should come out and explain the context and apologise to anybody who was offended.100%. No way he'll do that. He'll probably blame garner or tisdale for the comment.
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Post by oldie on Oct 24, 2021 15:59:09 GMT
Agreed, and I too would not argue with the points GoA made. Although I would have added aspects of British history, such is the poverty of education in our history. Does anyone actually wear a Stalin depicted T Shirt? Or even a Mao one these days? Fair comments, although there are plenty of people still wearing the ubiquitous Che Guevara t-shirts, even though come the end he was raiding the farms of the very people he was supposed to be championing. I too wouldn’t have personally used the word “holocaust” in the context that Barton did, but as I said elsewhere, I think he has a limited grasp of the finer points of the English language and an overwhelming desire to appear more intelligent than he actually is. This is evident in his interviews, which are full of mixed metaphors and malapropisms. Yep. I agree with your depiction of him. It's all a bit sad really.
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Post by socrates on Oct 24, 2021 21:23:47 GMT
Peeople talk of tactics but it is more basic than that . Yesterday we showed what happens when you have all your skilful players in the team but none of the grafters - the ball winning unsung heroes. In past successful teams we had the Sinclairs or the Andy Reeces - the guys who got stuck in and allowed the creative players to shine. There were flashes of individual pieces of skill that Newport couldn't cope with but we need more than that. We missed Harries. He offers so much more than he is given credit for and he has more pace than Anderton when he comes in. Every goal came down that part of the pitch. We miss Grant to put a tackle in just in front of the defense. We need Finley match fit I think yesterday showed what happens when you play your skilful Attacking players out of position and you end up changing it too late and playing centre defenders as full backs once you’re 2-0 down at home and you got it hopelessly wrong from the start. And that is tactics. Yes you are right we started yesterday with one ball winner in midfield and our wingers / inside forwards who aren’t defenders by any stretch as wing backs. But again that is tactics. It was square pegs round holes or to put it another way - poor tactics - poor formation - poor philosophy = poor performance and poor result.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 25, 2021 17:18:12 GMT
“Someone gets in and does well for a game and then has a holocaust, a nightmare, you know an absolute disaster” The bloke is an absolute nightmare himself. An embarrassment. I suppose it makes a change from cancer analogies. Seriously, get rid now FFS. Disgrace. pirate you pushed and pushed for the bloke. What surprises you about this given his previous track record which you KNEW about when you pushed for wanting him in as manager and shut down anyone who tried to warn you about his past record?!
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Post by pirate on Oct 25, 2021 17:22:29 GMT
The bloke is an absolute nightmare himself. An embarrassment. I suppose it makes a change from cancer analogies. Seriously, get rid now FFS. Disgrace. pirate you pushed and pushed for the bloke. What surprises you about this given his previous track record which you KNEW about when you pushed for wanting him in as managers and shut down anyone who tried to warn you about his past record?! Not surprised, but disappointed. I like to think people can change and willing to give a chance. It has proven to be a disastrous appointment both on and off the pitch and now he should go.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 25, 2021 17:23:06 GMT
pirate you pushed and pushed for the bloke. What surprises you about this given his previous track record which you KNEW about when you pushed for wanting him in as managers and shut down anyone who tried to warn you about his past record?! Not surprised, but disappointed. I like to think people can change and willing to give a chance. It has proven to be a disastrous appointment both on and off the pitch and now he should go. How many chances can one person get?!
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Oct 25, 2021 17:57:03 GMT
Not surprised, but disappointed. I like to think people can change and willing to give a chance. It has proven to be a disastrous appointment both on and off the pitch and now he should go. How many chances can one person get?! No song lyrics bed wetter. Iron Maiden - The Red and The Black
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 25, 2021 18:02:06 GMT
What I don't get is why you were so convinced that he would be a good manager, given that he even failed at Fleetwood after he was given virtually unlimited transfer funds.
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Post by Hugh Jarsole on Oct 25, 2021 18:15:49 GMT
Cant believe we're not singing the Get beat every week get beat every weeeeek Your nothing special we get beat every week
Song
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Post by Blackbeard on Oct 26, 2021 13:15:57 GMT
Simple use of a word twisted completely out of context
The use of the word Holocaust as a term of mass destruction is entirely appropriate if completely misguided in this day and age
You can trust the masses to turn it around and use as so many social media arrows against JB
Undoubtedly unfortunate
But I knew what he meant and it wasn’t a slur against the Jewish community, how could the context be construed as such ?
Everyone needs to grow up
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Post by Blackbeard on Oct 26, 2021 13:17:17 GMT
Cant believe we're not singing the Get beat every week get beat every weeeeek Your nothing special we get beat every week Song That’s cos we get beat every other week then spawn a draw
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 26, 2021 13:41:14 GMT
Simple use of a word twisted completely out of context The use of the word Holocaust as a term of mass destruction is entirely appropriate if completely misguided in this day and age You can trust the masses to turn it around and use as so many social media arrows against JB Undoubtedly unfortunate But I knew what he meant and it wasn’t a slur against the Jewish community, how could the context be construed as such ? Everyone needs to grow up I think literally not a single poster on here has said he meant it as a slur against the Jewish community.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2021 13:50:25 GMT
Simple use of a word twisted completely out of context The use of the word Holocaust as a term of mass destruction is entirely appropriate if completely misguided in this day and age You can trust the masses to turn it around and use as so many social media arrows against JB Undoubtedly unfortunate But I knew what he meant and it wasn’t a slur against the Jewish community, how could the context be construed as such ? Everyone needs to grow up Wouldn’t it be good if the club has said something like this on Sunday morning to stop it gathering pace and end up in a storm that didn’t need to happen.
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Post by oliverhelmet on Oct 26, 2021 14:19:23 GMT
Peeople talk of tactics but it is more basic than that . Yesterday we showed what happens when you have all your skilful players in the team but none of the grafters - the ball winning unsung heroes. In past successful teams we had the Sinclairs or the Andy Reeces - the guys who got stuck in and allowed the creative players to shine. There were flashes of individual pieces of skill that Newport couldn't cope with but we need more than that. We missed Harries. He offers so much more than he is given credit for and he has more pace than Anderton when he comes in. Every goal came down that part of the pitch. We miss Grant to put a tackle in just in front of the defense. We need Finley match fit I think yesterday showed what happens when you play your skilful Attacking players out of position and you end up changing it too late and playing centre defenders as full backs once you’re 2-0 down at home and you got it hopelessly wrong from the start. And that is tactics. Yes you are right we started yesterday with one ball winner in midfield and our wingers / inside forwards who aren’t defenders by any stretch as wing backs. But again that is tactics. It was square pegs round holes or to put it another way - poor tactics - poor formation - poor philosophy = poor performance and poor result. I said before the game,the game would likely be decided by the outcome of the battle down our weakened left hand side and we should play Thomas there to try and dominate that area with pace against James Clarke and draw their right wingback into more defensive positions.As it turned out their left back/ wing back Lewis was also their quickest defender (they left him one on one v Pitman when they had corners/free kicks and everyone else piled forwards) and Thomas barely got past him all game (caught him out when he was upfield on a couple of occasions but never did him for pace),so surely Joey Barton should have known that? J.Clarke was yellow carded before half-time and that made a ripe opportunity to switch our wingers I would have thought as Nicholson did very little right offensively anyway.I mean,it’s hardly an unheard of tactic to try but it never happened once so that was another tactical f**k up.We appear to have little to no knowledge tactically during games which is a complete joke in all honesty.
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 26, 2021 17:24:11 GMT
What I don't get is why you were so convinced that he would be a good manager, given that he even failed at Fleetwood after he was given virtually unlimited transfer funds. I think saying he failed at Fleetwood is a tad unfair and having got them to the play-offs probably wrong. He did a decent job there. But the thing with any manager is that they come with no guarantees. Once JB has left in the next month we’ll have a thread about who replaces him and we’ll probably have a list of 10-15 and whoever takes the job will come with no guarantees. We’ll just have to wish and hope. I’m afraid that’s the nature of football. UTG!
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