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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 1, 2022 8:52:54 GMT
I think it just reflects we're useless at signing players in the January window, Barton's clearly been after an experienced CM and a right back and all he's signed his a youngster from Newcastle, who seems to play in the same position as Evans. The chances of Pitman and Brown finding league clubs was always a slim one, given neither seems fully fit. I don't think signing Loft, Connelly and Anderson makes us useless this window. We're L2 and not going to get our pick every time. I really meant at the death of the window, we always seem to talk up who we're hoping to sign then struggle to sign anyone. Although not sure Connelly and Anderson are ever going to be that great signings, given they are only going to be here for 3 or, hopefully, 4 months maximum.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Feb 1, 2022 8:55:43 GMT
I don't think signing Loft, Connelly and Anderson makes us useless this window. We're L2 and not going to get our pick every time. I really meant at the death of the window, we always seem to talk up who we're hoping to sign then struggle to sign anyone. Although not sure Connelly and Anderson are ever going to be that great signings, given they are only going to be here for 3 or, hopefully, 4 months maximum. You're a glass half empty kinda guy aren't you Topper?
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 1, 2022 9:21:53 GMT
I really meant at the death of the window, we always seem to talk up who we're hoping to sign then struggle to sign anyone. Although not sure Connelly and Anderson are ever going to be that great signings, given they are only going to be here for 3 or, hopefully, 4 months maximum. You're a glass half empty kinda guy aren't you Topper? I don't really get how so many posters get so excited about us signing a 19 yr old, who's never played a full league game. Looking at the list of transfers it does seem little activity took place in L2 yesterday.
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Post by thegasman on Feb 1, 2022 9:44:18 GMT
I just don't get it. I am a complete layman, and as such I don't know the ins and outs of a professional football side. I do not understand why we continually take players on loan, when we have several young players of our own, in the positions required. The fact that we have these young players, means that someone at sometime thinks/thought they have what it takes. Why oh why don't we use them? Why develop another team's player(s).
Just 2 weeks ago during training, there was an 11 a side game where the youngs took on the olds, the youngs won 4 - 0. This must surely make the coaching staff sit up and take notice? Back at the Oxford FA cup game, when subs were used, and we mostly had a youngish team out, the movement and speed increased dramatically, look what happened.
Wael, Joey et Al, please please please, give our young ones the opportunity, after all, if we can develop them and get them playing, they can be a good source of income, as in the vision that was sold to us a few short years ago.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Feb 1, 2022 9:49:08 GMT
A much better window than last January, and Evans and Nicholson are still in the building.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Feb 1, 2022 9:53:02 GMT
A much better window than last January, and Evans and Nicholson are still in the building. Yes it's all good. My only worry is if we don't go up, a lot of our key players this season are likely not to be here next season as they are either on loan or contracts running out. It's not a worry for now but is a big worry for me thinking ahead.
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Post by richie on Feb 1, 2022 9:55:09 GMT
Ryan Jones should come into the fold too, i'd put him at a similar ability to Hoole from what ive seen
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Post by percy on Feb 1, 2022 9:56:03 GMT
A much better window than last January, and Evans and Nicholson are still in the building. Yes it's all good. My only worry is if we don't go up, a lot of our key players this season are likely not to be here next season as they are either on loan or contracts running out. It's not a worry for now but is a big worry for me thinking ahead. True but (assuming JB still here) he will only have 5 or 6 key replacements to find instead of 15-20!
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Feb 1, 2022 9:56:29 GMT
Ryan Jones should come into the fold too, i'd put him at a similar ability to Hoole from what ive seen I'm surprised we haven't loaned him out as can't see him getting many minutes with us. I guess there's still time with nat league window?
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 1, 2022 10:08:50 GMT
Yes it's all good. My only worry is if we don't go up, a lot of our key players this season are likely not to be here next season as they are either on loan or contracts running out. It's not a worry for now but is a big worry for me thinking ahead. True but (assuming JB still here) he will only have 5 or 6 key replacements to find instead of 15-20! Taylor, Connolly, Evans, Nicholson, Thomas, Finley, Whelan, Coutts, E Anderson, H Anderson and Anderton could all leave? Barton certainly does seem to be planning ahead for next season!
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 1, 2022 10:12:09 GMT
A much better window than last January, and Evans and Nicholson are still in the building. Given that was our worse ever it was hardly difficult to beat! Just hope Loft turns out to be a decent signing.
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Post by Nortongashead on Feb 1, 2022 10:14:14 GMT
I don't think signing Loft, Connelly and Anderson makes us useless this window. We're L2 and not going to get our pick every time. I really meant at the death of the window, we always seem to talk up who we're hoping to sign then struggle to sign anyone. Although not sure Connelly and Anderson are ever going to be that great signings, given they are only going to be here for 3 or, hopefully, 4 months maximum. Tbf i get what you're saying especially after last January when Tisdale negligently put his eggs in the Stockley basket and came up woefully short in what we required. The games changed with the prem and champ teams hoovering up all the young talent so I'm glad we're active in trying to get a gem to polish and benefitting at the same time.
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Post by RD on Feb 1, 2022 10:25:21 GMT
I just don't get it. I am a complete layman, and as such I don't know the ins and outs of a professional football side. I do not understand why we continually take players on loan, when we have several young players of our own, in the positions required. The fact that we have these young players, means that someone at sometime thinks/thought they have what it takes. Why oh why don't we use them? Why develop another team's player(s). Just 2 weeks ago during training, there was an 11 a side game where the youngs took on the olds, the youngs won 4 - 0. This must surely make the coaching staff sit up and take notice? Back at the Oxford FA cup game, when subs were used, and we mostly had a youngish team out, the movement and speed increased dramatically, look what happened. Wael, Joey et Al, please please please, give our young ones the opportunity, after all, if we can develop them and get them playing, they can be a good source of income, as in the vision that was sold to us a few short years ago. Whilst I absolutely agree in general, it's obvious that in some cases (ala Taylor), loans enable you to bring in players who are arguably too good to be playing at the level of your club, clearly better than your own youngsters and potentially on less money than someone of a similar quality and older age on a permanent basis. Clearly there are downsides - as it's only a temporary measure. But IMO, you HAVE to utilise the loan market to it's full potential in order to be successful in the lower leagues. Years back, Yeovil made it to the Championship with pretty much an entire squad of loanees! So it can be effective. Yes people will say "well look at them now" but, in fairness, this is Yeovil we're talking about - the fact is they've achieved more than us in my lifetime (pretty much) and that was down to utilising the loan market to full effect. As with anything in life, I think the key is moderation - I wouldn't want a team of loanees or the nucleus of a team reliant on them - but having three or four in the matchday squad is no bad thing, and is absolutely what you need to progress at the lower levels IMO.
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Post by percy on Feb 1, 2022 10:25:30 GMT
True but (assuming JB still here) he will only have 5 or 6 key replacements to find instead of 15-20! Taylor, Connolly, Evans, Nicholson, Thomas, Finley, Whelan, Coutts, E Anderson, H Anderson and Anderton could all leave? Barton certainly does seem to be planning ahead for next season! Finley Anderson and Anderton all have another year?
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Post by woolavingtonpirate on Feb 1, 2022 10:37:43 GMT
I think it's great using the loan market. Taylor has been brilliant, very impressed with connelly. It's always good to build up relationships with other higher clubs and these boys will always hold the gas close to their hearts and you never know, one or two might even sign permanently for us!? Great work by Joey Barton. Good luck to the new lad. UTG
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Post by bluestickgas1 on Feb 1, 2022 10:45:23 GMT
Ryan Jones should come into the fold too, i'd put him at a similar ability to Hoole from what ive seen Ryan Jones is an excellent prospect…. I picked him and Hoole out during pre season after I saw them in the Melksham game as the ones who I thought would be in and around the 1st team…. Personally I don’t think Jones is ready to be a regular starter but he definitely makes an impact when he comes on and he is currently fairly regularly in the 1st team squad for League games…. Our approach to bleeding him to league football is I feel the right approach and I do think he’ll have a more prominent 1st team role (as will Hoole) next season… Both decent quality youngsters with bright futures if injury and luck stays on their side
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Post by lastminutewinner on Feb 1, 2022 10:52:02 GMT
Sam Baldock is without a club after being released by Derby
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Post by pucklegas on Feb 1, 2022 11:02:24 GMT
A much better window than last January, and Evans and Nicholson are still in the building. TT I was about to post the same terrific news imagine if the scouse Messi had left 😂
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Post by gasmania on Feb 1, 2022 11:16:52 GMT
Brandon Mason could be a free agent left back we could target? Believe he has been on trial/training at Reading U23s and not been offered a deal yet. A short deal until the summer could suit both parties?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2022 11:18:38 GMT
I just don't get it. I am a complete layman, and as such I don't know the ins and outs of a professional football side. I do not understand why we continually take players on loan, when we have several young players of our own, in the positions required. The fact that we have these young players, means that someone at sometime thinks/thought they have what it takes. Why oh why don't we use them? Why develop another team's player(s). Just 2 weeks ago during training, there was an 11 a side game where the youngs took on the olds, the youngs won 4 - 0. This must surely make the coaching staff sit up and take notice? Back at the Oxford FA cup game, when subs were used, and we mostly had a youngish team out, the movement and speed increased dramatically, look what happened. Wael, Joey et Al, please please please, give our young ones the opportunity, after all, if we can develop them and get them playing, they can be a good source of income, as in the vision that was sold to us a few short years ago. Whilst I absolutely agree in general, it's obvious that in some cases (ala Taylor), loans enable you to bring in players who are arguably too good to be playing at the level of your club, clearly better than your own youngsters and potentially on less money than someone of a similar quality and older age on a permanent basis. Clearly there are downsides - as it's only a temporary measure. But IMO, you HAVE to utilise the loan market to it's full potential in order to be successful in the lower leagues. Years back, Yeovil made it to the Championship with pretty much an entire squad of loanees! So it can be effective. Yes people will say "well look at them now" but, in fairness, this is Yeovil we're talking about - the fact is they've achieved more than us in my lifetime (pretty much) and that was down to utilising the loan market to full effect. As with anything in life, I think the key is moderation - I wouldn't want a team of loanees or the nucleus of a team reliant on them - but having three or four in the matchday squad is no bad thing, and is absolutely what you need to progress at the lower levels IMO. Its a difficult one to be fair, if you rely too heavily on loan signings. But as a general rule these signings are coming from higher up the pyramid, and should in theory be better than what we have, because of the set up at their home clubs (Facilities, coaching staff, ect ect.) It still makes me think why are we still throwing money at our academy in its current form. Either go for it properly, or dont bother IMO.
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