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Post by seanclevedongas on Feb 13, 2022 18:32:27 GMT
maybe fighting guilt from his past he has to unload onto someone else. Sorry blue, I do not understand what you are trying to say? Fighting guilt about what? what am I unloading onto someone else?
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Post by yattongas on Feb 13, 2022 19:00:15 GMT
In an interview Barton said we had a healthy budget for this league and are one of the bigger spenders but we couldn’t compete with Mansfield on a few players we tried to sign. Does anyone know how or why we were unable to compete financially with them ?
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Post by pirate on Feb 13, 2022 19:04:13 GMT
In an interview Barton said we had a healthy budget for this league and are one of the bigger spenders but we couldn’t compete with Mansfield on a few players we tried to sign. Does anyone know how or why were unable to compete financially with them ? Could have been mind games, or it could be that Wael isn't prepared to put as much into the playing budget as the Radford family do at Mansfield?
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Post by orgasmic on Feb 13, 2022 19:06:01 GMT
I found it funny. The fact that the responses to it are predominantly points 1 and 2 on your list made it funnier as the thread continues! You found that funny? I did. I’ve pretty much stopped posting on here as I have very little to add. However, I do find it amusing reading posters with a positive take on JB get so upset by posters of a differing view. As someone no longer posting it appears to me that those with a negative view of JB raise certain arguments but nobody is willing to debate those points with them. Instead they are told their views are not valid, their views are boring, that they shouldn’t share those views on a forum and should focus on the team to name a few. So Hugo’s post tickled me as it was met with the same style of response rather than actually debating anything posted. FWIW I think the whole JB thing shows a staggering amount of cognitive dissonance on both sides of the coin but generally it seems people get very upset by posters who are not keen on him. Like I said I have nothing to add so have stopped posting. It became tiresome raising any opinions only to be shouted down without anybody actually responding to anything I posted. So yeah, I found it funny. Anyway, back to not posting.
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 13, 2022 19:13:12 GMT
JB might have promised promotions but in reality it was going to be a tough ask getting promoted this season with the rebuild we needed to do. We might have had a healthy budget, and yeah perhaps other teams have made a good go at it, but you can't chuck resources at getting promotion and guarantee results no matter the manager. Whilst I'm desperate for us to get promoted and want the squad to chuck everything at achieving playoffs this season, and will be of course disappointed with us spending another season in League Two, I wouldn't hold it against JB if the result is a general progression across the season readying us for a decent go next year. Exactly. When have we ever had a good autumn and winter in this league? I mean a really good one. We had a great spring in 2007 and 2016 but that’s about it. When JB promised promotion and lots of people on here were thinking we’d do well I just knew it would be hard. The football isn’t great, the refs are even more inconsistent than League 1 and we’ve got the JB factor. That’s not a criticism of JB it’s a realisation that teams, crowds and refs don’t like him and our players have to work harder to get decisions imo. I’ll be satisfied if we show the gradual improvement we’ve recently seen, secure our best players and are in a better position to start next season well. Our start this season has made anything else unlikely, let’s avoid that next season. UTG!
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Feb 13, 2022 19:17:50 GMT
I did. I’ve pretty much stopped posting on here as I have very little to add. However, I do find it amusing reading posters with a positive take on JB get so upset by posters of a differing view. As someone no longer posting it appears to me that those with a negative view of JB raise certain arguments but nobody is willing to debate those points with them. Instead they are told their views are not valid, their views are boring, that they shouldn’t share those views on a forum and should focus on the team to name a few. So Hugo’s post tickled me as it was met with the same style of response rather than actually debating anything posted. FWIW I think the whole JB thing shows a staggering amount of cognitive dissonance on both sides of the coin but generally it seems people get very upset by posters who are not keen on him. Like I said I have nothing to add so have stopped posting. It became tiresome raising any opinions only to be shouted down without anybody actually responding to anything I posted. So yeah, I found it funny. Anyway, back to not posting. You made a fairly lengthy ‘comeback ‘ 💙😊
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 13, 2022 19:21:34 GMT
I did. I’ve pretty much stopped posting on here as I have very little to add. However, I do find it amusing reading posters with a positive take on JB get so upset by posters of a differing view. As someone no longer posting it appears to me that those with a negative view of JB raise certain arguments but nobody is willing to debate those points with them. Instead they are told their views are not valid, their views are boring, that they shouldn’t share those views on a forum and should focus on the team to name a few. So Hugo’s post tickled me as it was met with the same style of response rather than actually debating anything posted. FWIW I think the whole JB thing shows a staggering amount of cognitive dissonance on both sides of the coin but generally it seems people get very upset by posters who are not keen on him. Like I said I have nothing to add so have stopped posting. It became tiresome raising any opinions only to be shouted down without anybody actually responding to anything I posted. So yeah, I found it funny. Anyway, back to not posting. I'm actually in danger of starting to believe what I wrote. I read the cult stuff as further reading to something I was listening to. It amused me because once Barton as a cult leader popped into my head (mainly in relation to the point about followers stifling any negative talk) the whole article just took on a life of its own. Some of the replies, from Yawn/shut up/ridicule/and shaming are reinforcing the silly notion I initially had. We may need to organise an intervention.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Feb 13, 2022 19:23:26 GMT
🤣😂💙
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Post by kruger on Feb 13, 2022 19:24:07 GMT
Just waiting for Kruger to come along and tell me to get a life you said it yourself, I don't need to
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Post by kruger on Feb 13, 2022 19:29:24 GMT
Crikey - some strange posts on here today, maybe it's a full moon tonight? From the same culprits ! Yawn 🥱💙UTG yep
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Post by Gassy on Feb 13, 2022 19:42:32 GMT
JB might have promised promotions but in reality it was going to be a tough ask getting promoted this season with the rebuild we needed to do. We might have had a healthy budget, and yeah perhaps other teams have made a good go at it, but you can't chuck resources at getting promotion and guarantee results no matter the manager. Whilst I'm desperate for us to get promoted and want the squad to chuck everything at achieving playoffs this season, and will be of course disappointed with us spending another season in League Two, I wouldn't hold it against JB if the result is a general progression across the season readying us for a decent go next year. As pirate has pointed out, thats exactly the problem - we have to rebuild again. If we finished 10th this season and needed 4/5 players in the squad, I would be happy. But right not we'll probably finish 12th and need 13+ players. So far Baron has been given 2 tasks by the club: 1. Keep us up last season. 2. Get us promoted this season. So far he's failed/failing at both. We should of course let him see the season out and I hope we'll push on for at least a cheeky challenge - but overall it can't be denied that 14th in L1 is absolutely not good enough.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 13, 2022 19:47:59 GMT
JB might have promised promotions but in reality it was going to be a tough ask getting promoted this season with the rebuild we needed to do. We might have had a healthy budget, and yeah perhaps other teams have made a good go at it, but you can't chuck resources at getting promotion and guarantee results no matter the manager. Whilst I'm desperate for us to get promoted and want the squad to chuck everything at achieving playoffs this season, and will be of course disappointed with us spending another season in League Two, I wouldn't hold it against JB if the result is a general progression across the season readying us for a decent go next year. As pirate has pointed out, thats exactly the problem - we have to rebuild again. If we finished 10th this season and needed 4/5 players in the squad, I would be happy. But right not we'll probably finish 12th and need 13+ players. So far Baron has been given 2 tasks by the club: 1. Keep us up last season. 2. Get us promoted this season. So far he's failed/failing at both. We should of course let him see the season out and I hope we'll push on for at least a cheeky challenge - but overall it can't be denied that 14th in L1 is absolutely not good enough. It's better than 14th in L2 mate.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2022 19:50:01 GMT
Beat me to it
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Post by Gassy on Feb 13, 2022 19:51:09 GMT
As pirate has pointed out, thats exactly the problem - we have to rebuild again. If we finished 10th this season and needed 4/5 players in the squad, I would be happy. But right not we'll probably finish 12th and need 13+ players. So far Baron has been given 2 tasks by the club: 1. Keep us up last season. 2. Get us promoted this season. So far he's failed/failing at both. We should of course let him see the season out and I hope we'll push on for at least a cheeky challenge - but overall it can't be denied that 14th in L1 is absolutely not good enough. It's better than 14th in L2 mate. Damn it, a well thought out and serious post all down the drain because of a typo in probably the worst place as well
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Post by gasify on Feb 13, 2022 20:19:27 GMT
The problem I see is that JB insists that it takes time for squad to gel. If that squad is made up of players that are only around for that season then we could end up in a constant wait for any squad to gel.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2022 21:11:18 GMT
I think we are trying our best to get out of a L2 campaign with all the really horrendous decisions that have been made over the last couple of seasons.
I’m no expert, far from it. But we are always going to struggle to attract the best up and coming youngsters, coaches, managers, and even seasoned pros at their prime.
I think we have tried to do the best we can at this level, with the resources at our disposal. Let’s face it we haven’t exactly got a pipeline of academy players coming through ( not the players fault by the way). And we are still trying to mix younger players with players at the end of their careers which hasn’t worked.
At this moment, personally I think we are doing the best we can with managers, first team coaches and players. We just have to have a plan to keep improve next season.
We are a million years away from when Lee Brown scored “that goal”. But to win you have to put the ball in the net and not let the opposition put the ball in your net.
We are trying but just haven’t really replaced key players and the spine of the team for me.
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Post by titchthephot on Feb 13, 2022 21:22:36 GMT
I did. I’ve pretty much stopped posting on here as I have very little to add. However, I do find it amusing reading posters with a positive take on JB get so upset by posters of a differing view. As someone no longer posting it appears to me that those with a negative view of JB raise certain arguments but nobody is willing to debate those points with them. Instead they are told their views are not valid, their views are boring, that they shouldn’t share those views on a forum and should focus on the team to name a few. So Hugo’s post tickled me as it was met with the same style of response rather than actually debating anything posted. FWIW I think the whole JB thing shows a staggering amount of cognitive dissonance on both sides of the coin but generally it seems people get very upset by posters who are not keen on him. Like I said I have nothing to add so have stopped posting. It became tiresome raising any opinions only to be shouted down without anybody actually responding to anything I posted. So yeah, I found it funny. Anyway, back to not posting. Spot on!
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 13, 2022 21:51:37 GMT
I think we are trying our best to get out of a L2 campaign with all the really horrendous decisions that have been made over the last couple of seasons. I’m no expert, far from it. But we are always going to struggle to attract the best up and coming youngsters, coaches, managers, and even seasoned pros at their prime. I think we have tried to do the best we can at this level, with the resources at our disposal. Let’s face it we haven’t exactly got a pipeline of academy players coming through ( not the players fault by the way). And we are still trying to mix younger players with players at the end of their careers which hasn’t worked. At this moment, personally I think we are doing the best we can with managers, first team coaches and players. We just have to have a plan to keep improve next season. We are a million years away from when Lee Brown scored “that goal”. But to win you have to put the ball in the net and not let the opposition put the ball in your net. We are trying but just haven’t really replaced key players and the spine of the team for me. Belshaw/Ward Hoole/NP Kilgour/NP Connolly?/Martinez Grant/T Clarke/Anderton Anderson/NP Coutts/NP Evans?/Nolan Nicholson(?)/NP Loft/NP Saunders/Collins Before it becomes a Gaschat fact do we really need a another compete rebuild if we still are a L2 side, it looks to me we just need around half a dozen new players (NP), that's assuming Whelan, L Clarke. Harries and Rodman are not offered new contracts and I also haven't overlooked any other present players.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 13, 2022 21:57:15 GMT
I think we are trying our best to get out of a L2 campaign with all the really horrendous decisions that have been made over the last couple of seasons. I’m no expert, far from it. But we are always going to struggle to attract the best up and coming youngsters, coaches, managers, and even seasoned pros at their prime. I think we have tried to do the best we can at this level, with the resources at our disposal. Let’s face it we haven’t exactly got a pipeline of academy players coming through ( not the players fault by the way). And we are still trying to mix younger players with players at the end of their careers which hasn’t worked. At this moment, personally I think we are doing the best we can with managers, first team coaches and players. We just have to have a plan to keep improve next season. We are a million years away from when Lee Brown scored “that goal”. But to win you have to put the ball in the net and not let the opposition put the ball in your net. We are trying but just haven’t really replaced key players and the spine of the team for me. Belshaw/Ward Hoole/NP Kilgour/NP Connolly?/Martinez Grant/T Clarke/Anderton Anderson/NP Coutts/NP Evans?/Nolan Nicholson(?)/NP Loft/NP Saunders/Collins Before it becomes a Gaschat fact do we really need a another compete rebuild if we still are a L2 side, it looks to me we just need around half a dozen new players (NP), that's assuming Whelan, L Clarke. Harries and Rodman are not offered new contracts and I also haven't overlooked any other present players. Fair point but I suppose the assumption is failure to trouble the playoffs would mean we will lose our best handful of players in addition to those out of contract which would then be getting towards another rebuild. I'm only speculating, I'm sure others know better than I.
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Post by pirate on Feb 13, 2022 22:00:31 GMT
I think we are trying our best to get out of a L2 campaign with all the really horrendous decisions that have been made over the last couple of seasons. I’m no expert, far from it. But we are always going to struggle to attract the best up and coming youngsters, coaches, managers, and even seasoned pros at their prime. I think we have tried to do the best we can at this level, with the resources at our disposal. Let’s face it we haven’t exactly got a pipeline of academy players coming through ( not the players fault by the way). And we are still trying to mix younger players with players at the end of their careers which hasn’t worked. At this moment, personally I think we are doing the best we can with managers, first team coaches and players. We just have to have a plan to keep improve next season. We are a million years away from when Lee Brown scored “that goal”. But to win you have to put the ball in the net and not let the opposition put the ball in your net. We are trying but just haven’t really replaced key players and the spine of the team for me. Belshaw/Ward Hoole/NP Kilgour/NP Connolly?/Martinez Grant/T Clarke/Anderton Anderson/NP Coutts/NP Evans?/Nolan Nicholson(?)/NP Loft/NP Saunders/Collins Before it becomes a Gaschat fact do we really need a another compete rebuild if we still are a L2 side, it looks to me we just need around half a dozen new players (NP), that's assuming Whelan, L Clarke. Harries and Rodman are not offered new contracts and I also haven't overlooked any other present players. Of the squad you have listed there, Coutts, Evans, Nolan and Nicholson are all contracted until the end of this season, Connolly's loan will be up, not sure about Martinez but he hasn't featured all season. Evans and Nicholson I wouldn't expect to be here and doubts about all the others mentioned above. Basically we are looking at losing our best players from a squad that hasn't exactly set the division alight and need another significant summer rebuild.
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