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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 25, 2022 20:20:40 GMT
Or they might get in a new Academy manager who'll improve our own youngsters, I assume Fleetwood did similar considering their own extensive training facilities? There's previously been a poster on here who's been highly critical of the way Hargreaves ran the Academy, they could just have a grudge to bear or could have been right with their concerns.
If we do start offering a direct pathway to first team football we may start attracting the best local youngsters, rather than lose them to City and Southampton etc,
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Post by seanclevedongas on Feb 25, 2022 21:14:41 GMT
Who? Barton or Hargreaves? 😉 UTG! Doctor or You
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Post by CrispPusher on Feb 25, 2022 21:55:41 GMT
Why's it a shame he's left when Hoole must be the only first team player he's produced in his 6 years as Academy boss? What happens to all the talent we sign at 16 etc, clearly that's what Barton must he thinking as well. Hoole only got a run in the team when "we" decided a back four was a better line-up than a three..... Over the past few years lots of players have featured in first team squads, pre-season games, cup games etc. The fact they have not kicked o is that an issue in the academy or is it an issue with the first team coaching? How many first teamers have improved this season? Didn't Hoole start in our very first game of the season at Mansfield?
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Post by legas on Feb 25, 2022 22:36:47 GMT
Hoole only got a run in the team when "we" decided a back four was a better line-up than a three..... Over the past few years lots of players have featured in first team squads, pre-season games, cup games etc. The fact they have not kicked o is that an issue in the academy or is it an issue with the first team coaching? How many first teamers have improved this season? Didn't Hoole start in our very first game of the season at Mansfield? He did indeed … and would have had a clear run in on goal from the right late in the second half had the lineswoman not been blind and given a free-kick to Mansfield for a non existent foul. I think that free-kick then led to their corner that led to the dubious penalty (not that I’m still annoyed about that of course!).
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Post by Quarters on Feb 26, 2022 9:48:14 GMT
Perhaps Topper but.... Walker, Tomlinson, Mehew, Hargreaves and a few others who I haven’t checked on. Alfie? But with all younger players they need a run, they need patience, they need a first team manager who’s prepared to give them time. I’d suggest over the past 6 years we haven’t had a manager who’s really prepared to give them a chance. GC and Alfie K perhaps, and now JB and Luca H (but only now we’ve settled on a back 4). You may be right it’s CHs fault but it may be the lack of a manager prepared to give them a chance. Guess we’ll never really know. UTG! The fact Walker's joined Kings Lynn suggests he was never going to make it as a league player? Hargreaves has had plenty of chances but lately seems to have totally lost his way. Somethings clearly wrong when we have 20+(?) U18 Academy players a season but not one ever seems to get anywhere near the first team, apart from Hoole, Elliot Anderson shows you don't need time to make an impression. How much game time did we say we would give Billy Elliot, a move to another club failed because no guarantees were given.
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Post by yattongas on Feb 26, 2022 9:54:08 GMT
This usually happens if someone has another job lined up. i suspect that he will be named as manager at another club very soon Reports of him being linked with Eastleigh job. That makes sense.
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Post by Quarters on Feb 26, 2022 9:56:12 GMT
Hoole only got a run in the team when "we" decided a back four was a better line-up than a three..... Over the past few years lots of players have featured in first team squads, pre-season games, cup games etc. The fact they have not kicked o is that an issue in the academy or is it an issue with the first team coaching? How many first teamers have improved this season? Easier to say those which clearly haven't of the regular starters at the start of the season, which is just Harries? If you think the others haven't then you're watching different matches to the rest of us. Hard to differentiate between improvement of team performance and individuals. Fitness and consistency of selection play into that. To ask the question another way, the last players to be sold at a profit are; Two academy players to Villa. JCH. Snake, Harrison, Bodin, Lambert all spring to mind . Who this season can we sell at a profit? Not Evans or Nicholson as will not be under contract. Taylor and Connelly have improved, but not ours, and how much of that is due to game time?
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Post by Quarters on Feb 26, 2022 10:05:42 GMT
Or they might get in a new Academy manager who'll improve our own youngsters, I assume Fleetwood did similar considering their own extensive training facilities? There's previously been a poster on here who's been highly critical of the way Hargreaves ran the Academy, they could just have a grudge to bear or could have been right with their concerns. If we do start offering a direct pathway to first team football we may start attracting the best local youngsters, rather than lose them to City and Southampton etc, First team chances this season. Jed Ward Niall Lovelock Joe Budd Ryan Jones Airdas Vilinauskas Jarmani Langlais Tyron Mbuenimo Ollie Hulbert Sam Heal Tom Mehew Kieran Phillips Max Edwards I believe all of these have featured in matchday squads, shows a pathway. As mentioned previously two best prospects were taken by Villa.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2022 17:56:44 GMT
Or they might get in a new Academy manager who'll improve our own youngsters, I assume Fleetwood did similar considering their own extensive training facilities? There's previously been a poster on here who's been highly critical of the way Hargreaves ran the Academy, they could just have a grudge to bear or could have been right with their concerns. If we do start offering a direct pathway to first team football we may start attracting the best local youngsters, rather than lose them to City and Southampton etc, About time, last bit of the puzzle for me. Wael is definitely changing personnel for the better across the whole club. Well done to him. Topper, I have been very critical of the academy so don’t know if your referring to me. But you are very correct it’s nothing personal to the guy, I have no grudge. I have seen things like perhaps other posters have in the academy that’s makes you think really. We missed a trick not appointing and messing around Paul Hughes at the time. I know 1st team is the most important thing, but communication is also key between first team and below. Something that was never going to happen under this guy, and hopefully appears to be happening now as a result of him leaving Again, well done Wael.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 26, 2022 21:32:32 GMT
Or they might get in a new Academy manager who'll improve our own youngsters, I assume Fleetwood did similar considering their own extensive training facilities? There's previously been a poster on here who's been highly critical of the way Hargreaves ran the Academy, they could just have a grudge to bear or could have been right with their concerns. If we do start offering a direct pathway to first team football we may start attracting the best local youngsters, rather than lose them to City and Southampton etc, First team chances this season. Jed Ward Niall Lovelock Joe Budd Ryan Jones Airdas Vilinauskas Jarmani Langlais Tyron Mbuenimo Ollie Hulbert Sam Heal Tom Mehew Kieran Phillips Max Edwards I believe all of these have featured in matchday squads, shows a pathway. As mentioned previously two best prospects were taken by Villa. Surely a "pathway" is becoming a regular 1st team player not just making a rare appearance to fill the bench etc when we've got injuries to senior players, we've had literally dozens of youngsters do the same over the years but only Hoole actually made the step up. If the issue is not down to Hargreaves then why have we allowed him to simply walk away from his contract.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2022 15:51:35 GMT
The two prospect that went to Villa was down to the Alex Hinder connection.
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Post by fatherbrown on Feb 27, 2022 17:37:17 GMT
Have a feeling it will only be a few months before his Son departs too.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Feb 27, 2022 17:49:22 GMT
It has been a disappointment to me that more academy graduates have not had a decent opportunity to progress to the first team squad. I do not hold with the view that 'if they are good enough they will get the chance', you have to persevere with them like we have with Hoole who was not convincing when he first got the chance but has improved steadily since circumstances dictated he had to play and is slowly maturing physically and mentally into a valuable member of the first team squad, the odd game here and there where they have to give M.O.M performances to merit retaining there place does nothing to help them progress. A few of them have had rave reviews over the years of development only to hit a brick wall when it comes to breaking into first team squad, does the fault lye with the Academy coach or the first team coaches, i suspect the former and hope the change removes the obstacles to there progress.
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Post by gassedOut on Feb 28, 2022 12:22:28 GMT
We need to thank Alex for a decent paycheck from Aston Villa for Kyrie at the end of Last season, as he was okay but never going to set the world alight and stuggling to get in the 17's team. Bradley Burrows showed real potential and time will tell. I know Max Edwards came on as a sub for the First team and heard it was purely to get the Value up from the compensation rate on him as he Dad was trying to get him a move out as he was not happy with academy and giving him a 1st team appearance upped his value in line with cpp rules or so they believe.
I think The club is missing a competitve U21's or U23's Side to give some of the fringe players, players returning from injury and the best of the Youth coming up will put us in a much stronger position going forwards. I also think bring up a few of our own will install some much needed passion that has been missing!
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Post by pirate on Feb 28, 2022 12:28:58 GMT
We need to thank Alex for a decent paycheck from Aston Villa for Kyrie at the end of Last season, as he was okay but never going to set the world alight and stuggling to get in the 17's team. Bradley Burrows showed real potential and time will tell. I know Max Edwards came on as a sub for the First team and heard it was purely to get the Value up from the compensation rate on him as he Dad was trying to get him a move out as he was not happy with academy and giving him a 1st team appearance upped his value in line with cpp rules or so they believe. I think The club is missing a competitve U21's or U23's Side to give some of the fringe players, players returning from injury and the best of the Youth coming up will put us in a much stronger position going forwards. I also think bring up a few of our own will install some much needed passion that has been missing! Barton said recently "we’ve got some development stuff going on there again to try and bridge the pathways back", so we will have to see how that progresses.
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Post by gassedOut on Feb 28, 2022 13:15:16 GMT
I said it mid way through this season, after hearing rumblings Between Chris and Barton, That nothing will happen with the academy until Chris has gone, then JB will bring in his own team and a development team will set up and he will have total control of everything and when youth start coming through he will be praised for it.
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Post by thegasman on Feb 28, 2022 13:49:32 GMT
We had a development squad a couple or 3 seasons ago, Wael spent quite a lot of money bringing in some quite good quality youngsters from all over Europe. In the 1st year Chris Hargreaves led the U23s/Development squad to the title of the Central league (I think that is what it was called). Then for whatever reason Hargreaves and Manse were swapped with Manse taking the U23s and Hargreaves taking the Academy. Covid then intervened, and the U23s were decimated, and had no games. Most of the promising talent were let go, not having had a chance to prove themselves at league level. Maybe they weren't good enough, or maybe it's difficult to keep many 1st team regulars and many U23s happy and busy and employed at the same time. Who knows? The fact is, we had a quality U23s setup, until Covid hit; and we don't now.
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Post by Colyton Gas on Feb 28, 2022 14:56:30 GMT
Think Mr Wael brought over a nephew of his but guess he didn't make it long term.
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Post by albaron on Feb 28, 2022 15:26:46 GMT
We had a development squad a couple or 3 seasons ago, Wael spent quite a lot of money bringing in some quite good quality youngsters from all over Europe. In the 1st year Chris Hargreaves led the U23s/Development squad to the title of the Central league (I think that is what it was called). Then for whatever reason Hargreaves and Manse were swapped with Manse taking the U23s and Hargreaves taking the Academy. Covid then intervened, and the U23s were decimated, and had no games. Most of the promising talent were let go, not having had a chance to prove themselves at league level. Maybe they weren't good enough, or maybe it's difficult to keep many 1st team regulars and many U23s happy and busy and employed at the same time. Who knows? The fact is, we had a quality U23s setup, until Covid hit; and we don't now. What has happened to these quality youngsters ? Did any of them make it with other clubs ?
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Feb 28, 2022 15:33:49 GMT
I said it mid way through this season, after hearing rumblings Between Chris and Barton, That nothing will happen with the academy until Chris has gone, then JB will bring in his own team and a development team will set up and he will have total control of everything and when youth start coming through he will be praised for it. Can I ask what is your relationship with the youth team as that is all you comment about on here? Just an observation.
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