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Post by gasify on Aug 23, 2022 20:17:50 GMT
I think it's the irony that someone will say be kind and then demonstrate different behaviour towards another person. Like saying, be kind and then saying "That Donald Trump should rot in jail for the rest of his small handed, incline adverse life" It would be the kindest thing for the rest of the world if he was rotting in jail. Maybe a bad example. Let me try again. It's like saying be kind. Then in the next sentence saying " Boris Johnson should be rotting in jail, the sh** haired, wibbling bafoon"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2022 22:42:16 GMT
In society now it feels as though aggression is never far away on a daily basis, none more so than in TV/Radio Media.
Talksport is becoming more about how heated an argument between guests is than the actual content, Simon Jordan is a perfect case in point.
I don't watch TV but 6 music is always on and a news story mentioned how toxic the political leadership race had become, and when people in the spotlight behave in this way it sets a standard and gives an excuse to the average man/woman on the street.
Certainly not condoning abuse and never would, just the point that behaviour is often contagious, especially when overfed by the media.
No idea what has happened to society since Covid, strange times.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Aug 24, 2022 8:42:49 GMT
Yes, I did. I hadn't heard that phrase before. I see it when people die and you see many dole out the usual platitudes such as sorry for your loss. I think people are just not able to be very open wrt death and so just write these type of things rather than maybe go see the person, of they know them, or to construct a much better condolence message, with maybe some memories. I just do not do it and especially when i did not know the person. If I know them then i go see them . I am aware i am posting in the wrong space but it will not allow me to post in the correct one. Maybe a glitcvh
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Post by gasify on Aug 24, 2022 21:50:21 GMT
I see it when people die and you see many dole out the usual platitudes such as sorry for your loss. I think people are just not able to be very open wrt death and so just write these type of things rather than maybe go see the person, of they know them, or to construct a much better condolence message, with maybe some memories. I just do not do it and especially when i did not know the person. If I know them then i go see them . I am aware i am posting in the wrong space but it will not allow me to post in the correct one. Maybe a glitcvh I like this story from Ricky Gervais: "I got in trouble talking about praying on Twitter. Remember a few years ago, that terrible disaster in Oklahoma, the hurricane? People lost their lives, their livelihood, and I donated to the Red Cross. I tweeted about it with a link saying, “You can donate here too,” trying to help them, and one of those frivolous entertainment magazines from America, their account tweeted this thing that annoyed me. They tweeted, “Beyoncé and Rihanna send prayers to Oklahoma.” And I tweeted back going, “I feel like a lady garden. I only sent money.”
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Post by Baxtinho on Aug 25, 2022 6:33:29 GMT
I like this story from Ricky Gervais: "I got in trouble talking about praying on Twitter. Remember a few years ago, that terrible disaster in Oklahoma, the hurricane? People lost their lives, their livelihood, and I donated to the Red Cross. I tweeted about it with a link saying, “You can donate here too,” trying to help them, and one of those frivolous entertainment magazines from America, their account tweeted this thing that annoyed me. They tweeted, “Beyoncé and Rihanna send prayers to Oklahoma.” And I tweeted back going, “I feel like a lady garden. I only sent money.” I wouldn't be taking my cues from Gervais, after all his transphobic stuff in his latest Netflix show.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Aug 25, 2022 11:16:00 GMT
Please don’t include me in this meaningless platitude. But o2 is right, you only have to look on ALL of the social media, i should say antisocial platforms, and you will see the be kind message but they say it and do not enact it. I had a purge of all of the toxics on my “friends” list and i have a much nicer experience due to it. I do see it as a platitude though and fully understand your POV. As the old saying goes, the path to hell is paved with good intention
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Aug 25, 2022 11:27:06 GMT
I like this story from Ricky Gervais: "I got in trouble talking about praying on Twitter. Remember a few years ago, that terrible disaster in Oklahoma, the hurricane? People lost their lives, their livelihood, and I donated to the Red Cross. I tweeted about it with a link saying, “You can donate here too,” trying to help them, and one of those frivolous entertainment magazines from America, their account tweeted this thing that annoyed me. They tweeted, “Beyoncé and Rihanna send prayers to Oklahoma.” And I tweeted back going, “I feel like a lady garden. I only sent money.” I wouldn't be taking my cues from Gervais, after all his transphobic stuff in his latest Netflix show. Let’s just be honest, he is a comedian but, as the saying goes, many a true word is spoken in jest. I never liked Ricky Gervais, not until the film the invention of lying/lies and then the beautifully written and poignant Derrick. I think he is really quite a sensitive man and is nowhere near the guy i met, years before his fame, in the Jolly sailor, in Hanham. He plays to the audience and , just my thruppence worth, i think the identity stuff is becoming more ludicrous by the day and people are choosing to be offended, by proxy in most cases. I think the best way to view him is as a comedian, first and foremost and then i think most would not have the faux indignance. I’m straight, born a boy and i don’t go around saying call me Mr or he or whatever, i don’t wear T shirts that say I’m straight, it’s great, get over it and i could use much more colourful language. I have grown to really like him and i actually think he is brave to put his head above the proverbial parapet i guess it’s up to each person on whether they think him offensive or not. Another example, he is a dyed in the wool atheist, i am a Roman Catholic who has found god again but i do not get offended. He reminds me of Dave Allen but on Steroids, Dave was much different in his delivery but, in private, he was very much more like Ricky and he hated the Catholic Church, into which he was born
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2022 12:26:39 GMT
I like this story from Ricky Gervais: "I got in trouble talking about praying on Twitter. Remember a few years ago, that terrible disaster in Oklahoma, the hurricane? People lost their lives, their livelihood, and I donated to the Red Cross. I tweeted about it with a link saying, “You can donate here too,” trying to help them, and one of those frivolous entertainment magazines from America, their account tweeted this thing that annoyed me. They tweeted, “Beyoncé and Rihanna send prayers to Oklahoma.” And I tweeted back going, “I feel like a lady garden. I only sent money.” I wouldn't be taking my cues from Gervais, after all his transphobic stuff in his latest Netflix show. Deary me , you do realise it was a stand up show , you know , comedy ? Before you get upset and start making assumptions about me , let me inform you that I am a volunteer at many LGBTQ youth associations and I deal with many youngsters with varying issues in regards to their sexuality and how they struggle with their identity. Ricky Gervais was simply performing a stand up routine, not being ‘transphobic’ , if you are easily offended and don’t like that type of humour the simplest thing to do is not watch it.
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Post by trevorgas on Aug 25, 2022 12:36:09 GMT
I wouldn't be taking my cues from Gervais, after all his transphobic stuff in his latest Netflix show. Deary me , you do realise it was a stand up show , you know , comedy ? Before you get upset and start making assumptions about me , let me inform you that I am a volunteer at many LGBTQ youth associations and I deal with many youngsters with varying issues in regards to their sexuality and how they struggle with their identity. Ricky Gervais was simply performing a stand up routine, not being ‘transphobic’ , if you are easily offended and don’t like that type of humour the simplest thing to do is not watch it. Totally agree,we do live in censorial times.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Aug 25, 2022 12:47:10 GMT
I wouldn't be taking my cues from Gervais, after all his transphobic stuff in his latest Netflix show. Deary me , you do realise it was a stand up show , you know , comedy ? Before you get upset and start making assumptions about me , let me inform you that I am a volunteer at many LGBTQ youth associations and I deal with many youngsters with varying issues in regards to their sexuality and how they struggle with their identity. Ricky Gervais was simply performing a stand up routine, not being ‘transphobic’ , if you are easily offended and don’t like that type of humour the simplest thing to do is not watch it. Asking because i have had experience of a 16 yr old girl who was transitioning into a male and was staring the testosterone. What i saw was a young and impressionable girl, one who was actively being pushed, by her divorced mother, to go ahead with this. Once I got behind the facade and other stereotypical stuff, I found a very vulnerable young woman, one who had not really been through therapy and who was , probably, acting out as most of her friends were gay. I am not judging but, as you work with the community, do you feel there are others who seem to go this route or do you find that the majority are very sure of a change of gender ? sorry if too much to ask but i am genuinely interested in this as i now know 3 such younger “women” who are transitioning and, the but that stunned me, is one said the TV series BILLIONS had finally pushed her into becoming a non binary human being. I will never understand the levels of anxiety and of judgment as i have never thought this way. As i see it, do as you wish but so long as it is not denying a close to terminal, patient their treatment. I was genuinely stunned that it is done by the NHS and that is where i do have a problem. Let’s be honest, being gay is no new thing but we are now much more tolerant and there are no threats of gaol and prosecution , so long as you are deemed of age.. when i was 16, i thought I knew what i wanted but, if i met the 16 yr old me then I’d slap me and tell me to grow to feck up. If you like we can take this to PM as i am really trying to be more accepting of others choices. Thanks in any case as I know this may be too much, in public Julian
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Aug 25, 2022 12:53:33 GMT
Deary me , you do realise it was a stand up show , you know , comedy ? Before you get upset and start making assumptions about me , let me inform you that I am a volunteer at many LGBTQ youth associations and I deal with many youngsters with varying issues in regards to their sexuality and how they struggle with their identity. Ricky Gervais was simply performing a stand up routine, not being ‘transphobic’ , if you are easily offended and don’t like that type of humour the simplest thing to do is not watch it. Totally agree,we do live in censorial times. And then some eh ? I do wonder why so may hate on people they do not even know but i am genuinely interested in if they do it due to peer pressure or not. The one i mentioned actually listened to what i had to say and had much more psychotherapy and it helped her make her mind up but with all of the facts. The last time I saw her, she was a stunning female so i guess she stopped the treatment but you just never know , nowadays. It’s a strange world when you find out one of your family is a cross dresser and likes to be called Mel. I felt sad that he did not feel he could talk to me about it. I certainly would not have judged and i would have offered at least some debate. I know he/she is extremely lonely and finds it extremely difficult to build even friendships. Io imagine it must be so very hard, for those types. I hope that he/she finds some peace and even joy in life
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Post by It's a song on Aug 25, 2022 13:17:02 GMT
In society now it feels as though aggression is never far away on a daily basis, none more so than in TV/Radio Media. Talksport is becoming more about how heated an argument between guests is than the actual content, Simon Jordan is a perfect case in point. I don't watch TV but 6 music is always on and a news story mentioned how toxic the political leadership race had become, and when people in the spotlight behave in this way it sets a standard and gives an excuse to the average man/woman on the street. Certainly not condoning abuse and never would, just the point that behaviour is often contagious, especially when overfed by the media. No idea what has happened to society since Covid, strange times. Completely agree. It's hits/views/listens above all else. 6 Music all day too.
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Post by SleepyGas on Aug 25, 2022 13:42:20 GMT
Deary me , you do realise it was a stand up show , you know , comedy ? Before you get upset and start making assumptions about me , let me inform you that I am a volunteer at many LGBTQ youth associations and I deal with many youngsters with varying issues in regards to their sexuality and how they struggle with their identity. Ricky Gervais was simply performing a stand up routine, not being ‘transphobic’ , if you are easily offended and don’t like that type of humour the simplest thing to do is not watch it. Totally agree,we do live in censorial times. Totally.. that's why the likes of Ricky Gervais, Dave Chappelle and Jimmy Carr all have lucrative tours and Netflix deals. That infernal "cancel culture"
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Aug 25, 2022 17:29:07 GMT
I like this story from Ricky Gervais: "I got in trouble talking about praying on Twitter. Remember a few years ago, that terrible disaster in Oklahoma, the hurricane? People lost their lives, their livelihood, and I donated to the Red Cross. I tweeted about it with a link saying, “You can donate here too,” trying to help them, and one of those frivolous entertainment magazines from America, their account tweeted this thing that annoyed me. They tweeted, “Beyoncé and Rihanna send prayers to Oklahoma.” And I tweeted back going, “I feel like a lady garden. I only sent money.” I wouldn't be taking my cues from Gervais, after all his transphobic stuff in his latest Netflix show. I think there's a big difference between being transphobic (which is a bit of misuse of English language as phobia implies a sense of scare, but we'll go with it), and making jokes on the subject material. They're not necessarily connected. And one, doesn't necessarily follow the other. There is context to consider. After all things considered, RG just might not be your cup of tea in comedy, that's fine, just turn it off. But it feels very much puritanical and blasphemous on what you can and can't find funny, what others are trying to impose because of their own perception of moral perception or standards, when in actual fact, humour and black humour can be found in the most disturbing of circumstances.
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Post by fintanstack on Aug 26, 2022 6:21:35 GMT
I wouldn't be taking my cues from Gervais, after all his transphobic stuff in his latest Netflix show. I think there's a big difference between being transphobic (which is a bit of misuse of English language as phobia implies a sense of scare, but we'll go with it), and making jokes on the subject material. They're not necessarily connected. And one, doesn't necessarily follow the other. There is context to consider. After all things considered, RG just might not be your cup of tea in comedy, that's fine, just turn it off. But it feels very much puritanical and blasphemous on what you can and can't find funny, what others are trying to impose because of their own perception of moral perception or standards, when in actual fact, humour and black humour can be found in the most disturbing of circumstances. Gervais was poking fun at the bigots and their stupid views, not the trans community. I think many people missed that.
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Post by fintanstack on Aug 26, 2022 6:28:42 GMT
Totally agree,we do live in censorial times. And then some eh ? I do wonder why so may hate on people they do not even know but i am genuinely interested in if they do it due to peer pressure or not. The one i mentioned actually listened to what i had to say and had much more psychotherapy and it helped her make her mind up but with all of the facts. The last time I saw her, she was a stunning female so i guess she stopped the treatment but you just never know , nowadays. It’s a strange world when you find out one of your family is a cross dresser and likes to be called Mel. I felt sad that he did not feel he could talk to me about it. I certainly would not have judged and i would have offered at least some debate. I know he/she is extremely lonely and finds it extremely difficult to build even friendships. Io imagine it must be so very hard, for those types. I hope that he/she finds some peace and even joy in life Maybe Mel did not talk to you because you would at least offer debate. I am certain they would have rather just sat and had a chat about the television, weather, news or any other regular subject. Would you sit with any other family member to debate their gender or clothing? At most you would have done well to ask them what pronouns they prefer rather than using he/she. I am not attacking you because it is clear you are making a real effort but some simple changes in approach do make a difference.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Aug 26, 2022 7:10:40 GMT
And then some eh ? I do wonder why so may hate on people they do not even know but i am genuinely interested in if they do it due to peer pressure or not. The one i mentioned actually listened to what i had to say and had much more psychotherapy and it helped her make her mind up but with all of the facts. The last time I saw her, she was a stunning female so i guess she stopped the treatment but you just never know , nowadays. It’s a strange world when you find out one of your family is a cross dresser and likes to be called Mel. I felt sad that he did not feel he could talk to me about it. I certainly would not have judged and i would have offered at least some debate. I know he/she is extremely lonely and finds it extremely difficult to build even friendships. Io imagine it must be so very hard, for those types. I hope that he/she finds some peace and even joy in life Maybe Mel did not talk to you because you would at least offer debate. I am certain they would have rather just sat and had a chat about the television, weather, news or any other regular subject. Would you sit with any other family member to debate their gender or clothing? At most you would have done well to ask them what pronouns they prefer rather than using he/she. I am not attacking you because it is clear you are making a real effort but some simple changes in approach do make a difference. I understood you now attacking me and thank you for seeing that. What i didn’t understand is he/she did talk and regularly, with my only remaining but estranged brother, who lives in the suburbs of Chicago and my brother encouraged him/her and i do not think he would have been the best of people to ask, after he has tried, very seriously, to end his own life, twice. He is in a bad way and not allowed to sign anything due to his ongoing problems after being comatose for 9 weeks and surviving only due to machines. Of the 2, i think I’d have offered more concise and more probing questions but there you go, it is what it is. A case of plus sa change for Mel, i guess ?
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Post by fintanstack on Aug 26, 2022 7:30:11 GMT
Maybe Mel did not talk to you because you would at least offer debate. I am certain they would have rather just sat and had a chat about the television, weather, news or any other regular subject. Would you sit with any other family member to debate their gender or clothing? At most you would have done well to ask them what pronouns they prefer rather than using he/she. I am not attacking you because it is clear you are making a real effort but some simple changes in approach do make a difference. I understood you now attacking me and thank you for seeing that. What i didn’t understand is he/she did talk and regularly, with my only remaining but estranged brother, who lives in the suburbs of Chicago and my brother encouraged him/her and i do not think he would have been the best of people to ask, after he has tried, very seriously, to end his own life, twice. He is in a bad way and not allowed to sign anything due to his ongoing problems after being comatose for 9 weeks and surviving only due to machines. Of the 2, i think I’d have offered more concise and more probing questions but there you go, it is what it is. A case of plus sa change for Mel, i guess ? I think you missed the point of my post. Concise, probing questions are not always what is needed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2022 18:08:18 GMT
In society now it feels as though aggression is never far away on a daily basis, none more so than in TV/Radio Media. Talksport is becoming more about how heated an argument between guests is than the actual content, Simon Jordan is a perfect case in point. I don't watch TV but 6 music is always on and a news story mentioned how toxic the political leadership race had become, and when people in the spotlight behave in this way it sets a standard and gives an excuse to the average man/woman on the street. Certainly not condoning abuse and never would, just the point that behaviour is often contagious, especially when overfed by the media. No idea what has happened to society since Covid, strange times. Completely agree. It's hits/views/listens above all else. 6 Music all day too. Really quite sad how those who have the publics attention behave these days and pass it down to others. I introduced my lady to the station, I partied hard on E in the 90s, she worked as a nurse in A&E back then so we have very different backgrounds and pasts! But she loves the ecentricty of the station, last week she said what's this playing tonight? I said I think it's a fax machine in the background and some rearranging the pots and pans in a kitchen, absolutely nuts late at night but we never switch over now, and the TV is hardly ever on, life transforming for both of us swerving the daily media scare mongering.
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Post by It's a song on Aug 28, 2022 15:02:03 GMT
Completely agree. It's hits/views/listens above all else. 6 Music all day too. Really quite sad how those who have the publics attention behave these days and pass it down to others. I introduced my lady to the station, I partied hard on E in the 90s, she worked as a nurse in A&E back then so we have very different backgrounds and pasts! But she loves the ecentricty of the station, last week she said what's this playing tonight? I said I think it's a fax machine in the background and some rearranging the pots and pans in a kitchen, absolutely nuts late at night but we never switch over now, and the TV is hardly ever on, life transforming for both of us swerving the daily media scare mongering. Fax Machine and the Three Pots, great band!
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