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Aug 28, 2022 8:50:12 GMT
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Post by madgas on Aug 28, 2022 8:50:12 GMT
I'm going to make an effort to keep this thread going throughout the season. Albeit- matches where the dark arts are clearly specifically part of the tactic.
2 entries to date.
1) Oxford 2) Shrewsbury
Against Oxford we were guilty of timewaisting. And slowing down the play. I think this is 3/5 evil. It's annoying, makes for a worse watch but the ref can sort it quickly without controversy.
Shrewsbury - guilty of faking injury. Not unlike us in the above but it bates the ref into bad decision making. Evil score 4/5.
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Post by singupgas on Aug 28, 2022 8:57:19 GMT
Something needs to happen to combat it. It completely ruins a game that the crowd have paid to see for entertainment. There was nothing entertaining about yesterday's game.
If a player goes down for an injury then they should be made to head to nearest side of the pitch and wait 1 minute to "recover" before they can come back on.
And the 1 minute doesn't start until they back with the 4th official.
But the Refs have to enforce if the player is seem to be taking too long to get back up.
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Post by mj on Aug 28, 2022 9:02:42 GMT
sorry but we are not in the same class as Shrewsbury.Nine times they went down in the first half.I have never seen anything like that in 60 years of watching rovers and the incident near the touchline right in front of me when they tried to get rossitter sent off was just laughable.The ref could have stopped it in the first ten minutes had he played on once he realised it was not serious or a head injury.Very poor Ref
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Aug 28, 2022 9:03:45 GMT
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Post by bluegas on Aug 28, 2022 9:03:45 GMT
I'm going to make an effort to keep this thread going throughout the season. Albeit- matches where the dark arts are clearly specifically part of the tactic. 2 entries to date. 1) Oxford 2) Shrewsbury Against Oxford we were guilty of timewaisting. And slowing down the play. I think this is 3/5 evil. It's annoying, makes for a worse watch but the ref can sort it quickly without controversy. Shrewsbury - guilty of faking injury. Not unlike us in the above but it bates the ref into bad decision making. Evil score 4/5. Against Oxford - on one of the hottest days of the year, probably century!
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Aug 28, 2022 9:11:09 GMT
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Post by playtowin on Aug 28, 2022 9:11:09 GMT
Something needs to happen to combat it. It completely ruins a game that the crowd have paid to see for entertainment. There was nothing entertaining about yesterday's game. If a player goes down for an injury then they should be made to head to nearest side of the pitch and wait 1 minute to "recover" before they can come back on. And the 1 minute doesn't start until they back with the 4th official. But the Refs have to enforce if the player is seem to be taking too long to get back up. If however a player genuinely goes down from a bad foul that team will get punished by having less players on the pitch. How about if a yellow card foul occurs and an injured player has to leave the pitch. The culprit of the foul also has to leave the field of play. How about if a player goes down and "appears" to be in pain...the ole rolling around business. The ref can tell the player to go have an off field medical check. Minimum time of 5 minutes.
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Post by singupgas on Aug 28, 2022 9:25:30 GMT
Something needs to happen to combat it. It completely ruins a game that the crowd have paid to see for entertainment. There was nothing entertaining about yesterday's game. If a player goes down for an injury then they should be made to head to nearest side of the pitch and wait 1 minute to "recover" before they can come back on. And the 1 minute doesn't start until they back with the 4th official. But the Refs have to enforce if the player is seem to be taking too long to get back up. If however a player genuinely goes down from a bad foul that team will get punished by having less players on the pitch. How about if a yellow card foul occurs and an injured player has to leave the pitch. The culprit of the foul also has to leave the field of play. How about if a player goes down and "appears" to be in pain...the ole rolling around business. The ref can tell the player to go have an off field medical check. Minimum time of 5 minutes. All good ideas. Usually if a player is genuinely injured they will take at least 1 minute to come back on or be subbed off anyway. For me its the players who roll around on the pitch, don't want any medical assistant, miraculously get up and start sprinting around again that are most annoying.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Aug 28, 2022 9:26:08 GMT
One of the most stupid rules in football is the referee having to force a player off the field only to let them straight back on again like they did yesterday. Completely defeats the purpose of the rule.
Two options to deal with this and the dark arts.
1) rugby style clock stoppages with 30 min halves. 2) players going down have to leave the pitch for a substantial period of time, particularly if there’s a head injury involved.
These would stop these games overnight.
Similarly there should be a theatrics rule whereby if a player makes a meal out of contact with another player then the referee can card the player. It’s no different from diving albeit the player has actually been touched in some shape or form.
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Post by stuart1974 on Aug 28, 2022 9:46:22 GMT
One of the most stupid rules in football is the referee having to force a player off the field only to let them straight back on again like they did yesterday. Completely defeats the purpose of the rule. Two options to deal with this and the dark arts. 1) rugby style clock stoppages with 30 min halves. 2) players going down have to leave the pitch for a substantial period of time, particularly if there’s a head injury involved. These would stop these games overnight. Similarly there should be a theatrics rule whereby if a player makes a meal out of contact with another player then the referee can card the player. It’s no different from diving albeit the player has actually been touched in some shape or form. Let the physio treat the injured player on the pitch while the game continues or have the ability to have a temporary substitution, then swap back when the player is ready. We now have a fourth referee and mics to keep control.
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Dark arts
Aug 28, 2022 10:57:21 GMT
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Post by madgas on Aug 28, 2022 10:57:21 GMT
I'm going to make an effort to keep this thread going throughout the season. Albeit- matches where the dark arts are clearly specifically part of the tactic. 2 entries to date. 1) Oxford 2) Shrewsbury Against Oxford we were guilty of timewaisting. And slowing down the play. I think this is 3/5 evil. It's annoying, makes for a worse watch but the ref can sort it quickly without controversy. Shrewsbury - guilty of faking injury. Not unlike us in the above but it bates the ref into bad decision making. Evil score 4/5. Against Oxford - on one of the hottest days of the year, probably century! Yeah, that's fair. I don't think it was overboard. I'd Suggest most teams want to be scoring 2/3. I'd suggest 4/5 is overboard and beyond the spirit of the game.
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Aug 28, 2022 11:09:11 GMT
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Post by Goose on Aug 28, 2022 11:09:11 GMT
I'm sure I've heard it somewhere they're considering instead of a 90 min game, changing the rules to 60mins of playing time. This would mean any time wasting doesn't have any effect.
I think this would be good for all.
Also I think they surveyed most games and the playing time in an average 90 min game was about 55 mins (I could be wing but I'll have a look)
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 28, 2022 11:24:00 GMT
Take the timing away from the ref and make it a 45 minute half where the clock stops are controlled by an independent time-keeper. That would be a massive step forward.
i don’t think time wasting is a conversation piece in sports which do that.
UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2022 11:32:05 GMT
Yeah that bloke who tried to get Rossiter sent off was utterly pathetic. He obviously was hoping for a red card, which the referee didn’t issue to Rossiter, so why on earth is it not a yellow card for attempting to con the ref. Personally I think if a player is trying to get a fellow pro sent off, then they should be sent off themselves.
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Post by baggins on Aug 28, 2022 11:43:01 GMT
One of the most stupid rules in football is the referee having to force a player off the field only to let them straight back on again like they did yesterday. Completely defeats the purpose of the rule. Two options to deal with this and the dark arts. 1) rugby style clock stoppages with 30 min halves. 2) players going down have to leave the pitch for a substantial period of time, particularly if there’s a head injury involved. These would stop these games overnight. Similarly there should be a theatrics rule whereby if a player makes a meal out of contact with another player then the referee can card the player. It’s no different from diving albeit the player has actually been touched in some shape or form. Let the physio treat the injured player on the pitch while the game continues or have the ability to have a temporary substitution, then swap back when the player is ready. We now have a fourth referee and mics to keep control. Just allow the player to receive treatment and allow the play to continue would be enough.
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Post by kampucheagas on Aug 28, 2022 11:43:15 GMT
None of this would be an issue with a strong Ref
Shrewsbury played him to perfection
Irony was, we were there for the taking yesterday
Horrible game to watch, but we weren’t good enough to combat them. If we’d outplayed them and gone 1-0 up early it would have been a different game.
Lessons to learn for our boys. This league is MUCH MUCH tougher than last season. We will need to be on our game and perform better at home as teams will be aware of how to stifle us.
I’m putting it down to a poor day at the office, and think we will learn how to play against teams like this going forward.
UTG
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Post by Quarters on Aug 28, 2022 11:50:08 GMT
None of this would be an issue with a strong Ref Shrewsbury played him to perfection Irony was, we were there for the taking yesterday Horrible game to watch, but we weren’t good enough to combat them. If we’d outplayed them and gone 1-0 up early it would have been a different game. Lessons to learn for our boys. This league is MUCH MUCH tougher than last season. We will need to be on our game and perform better at home as teams will be aware of how to stifle us. I’m putting it down to a poor day at the office, and think we will learn how to play against teams like this going forward. UTG It is hard to quantify the impact of their tactics. It stopped us getting any momentum going. Would we have been so poor if there weren't so many stoppages? Also thought Collins goal could have been allowed, may have been a slight touch from Marquis but the player, again, threw himself to floor when he saw he had lost it.
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Post by kampucheagas on Aug 28, 2022 12:36:26 GMT
None of this would be an issue with a strong Ref Shrewsbury played him to perfection Irony was, we were there for the taking yesterday Horrible game to watch, but we weren’t good enough to combat them. If we’d outplayed them and gone 1-0 up early it would have been a different game. Lessons to learn for our boys. This league is MUCH MUCH tougher than last season. We will need to be on our game and perform better at home as teams will be aware of how to stifle us. I’m putting it down to a poor day at the office, and think we will learn how to play against teams like this going forward. UTG It is hard to quantify the impact of their tactics. It stopped us getting any momentum going. Would we have been so poor if there weren't so many stoppages? Also thought Collins goal could have been allowed, may have been a slight touch from Marquis but the player, again, threw himself to floor when he saw he had lost it. I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought that! I was going mental, it looked like he lost the ball and threw himself down. Of course my biased glasses were on, would need to see it again Ultimately though we didn’t win because we weren’t good enough on the day. UTG
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Aug 28, 2022 12:50:12 GMT
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Post by baggins on Aug 28, 2022 12:50:12 GMT
It is hard to quantify the impact of their tactics. It stopped us getting any momentum going. Would we have been so poor if there weren't so many stoppages? Also thought Collins goal could have been allowed, may have been a slight touch from Marquis but the player, again, threw himself to floor when he saw he had lost it. I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought that! I was going mental, it looked like he lost the ball and threw himself down. Of course my biased glasses were on, would need to see it again Ultimately though we didn’t win because we weren’t good enough on the day. UTG And for all their efforts they dropped to 20th.
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Aug 28, 2022 14:29:01 GMT
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Post by stapletongas on Aug 28, 2022 14:29:01 GMT
It’s all well and good saying something needs to be done about faking injury, time wasting etc but which clubs are going to lead the charge complaining that refs are not doing enough?
All clubs do it, every club uses tactics of this nature be it playing for a draw, getting in front then closing out the game. Everyone…including us! When we do it, are we complaining?
Refs do need to be instructed by the EFL or FA to be tough, but that line of action won’t be instigated by clubs complaining because every club knows there are points in a match where they need it.
From the point of the spectacle and value for money for fans wanting to see more football in 90 mins, there needs to be a solution. I don’t see who will lead the charge for changes though.
What goes around comes around.
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Post by toggsy2 on Aug 28, 2022 14:49:34 GMT
The rules of the game are constantly evolving and changing sometimes for the better sometimes for the worse. I would like to see the idea of a 3 card system Yellow, Orange and Red integrated into a sin bin/timeout. After a first yellow you would get a orange and spend time in the sin bin instead of a red card how many times have the gas had players sent off for stupid 2nd Yellows? Straight red cards would still apply as would a straight orange card, it's idea worth exploring further.
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Post by mj on Aug 28, 2022 18:47:01 GMT
all clubs do it but not to the extent of shrewsbury.Why did the alarm bells not ring with that ref at half time after he played 7 extra minutes.For What?
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