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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2022 19:02:15 GMT
Belly love him
Clarke did he even play? Gordon just not good enough Thomas looked shaky Kilgour isn’t good enough but tries Anderson not a rb and carrying a knock
Coutts very poor today, looked slow and old Finley, looked off the pace McCormick looked a lost school boy
Loft, meh.. Collins - looked the only one able, awake and needed help and service!
Subs- nowt changed really
I really cannot take anything positive out of that…
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Post by aforce on Sept 24, 2022 19:15:25 GMT
Belly love him Clarke did he even play? Gordon just not good enough Thomas looked shaky Kilgour isn’t good enough but tries Anderson not a rb and carrying a knock Coutts very poor today, looked slow and old Finley, looked off the pace McCormick looked a lost school boy Loft, meh.. Collins - looked the only one able, awake and needed help and service! Subs- nowt changed really I really cannot take anything positive out of that… Belly you loved that? Don’t think I’ve seen his distribution and positioning as bad ever.
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Post by TAGas on Sept 24, 2022 19:24:32 GMT
Traffic to the game was bad and the beer was bad 😅
Game was even worse. Collins was the only one that came out with credit for me. Can't really knock effort from the players, but they looked like a bunch of individuals with no plan on what to do.
I'm hoping Gordon comes good because I don't feel he's good enough and not an improvement over Clarke. not just him though, there's a fair few the same. But no win since the Oxford game is very alarming.
Roll on Exter..
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Post by wsmjohn on Sept 24, 2022 19:35:30 GMT
Gordon was better today, He is young and feel he shows some potential. This is his first season I believe playing league one football.
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Post by pirate on Sept 24, 2022 19:39:57 GMT
Belly love him Clarke did he even play? Gordon just not good enough Thomas looked shaky Kilgour isn’t good enough but tries Anderson not a rb and carrying a knock Coutts very poor today, looked slow and old Finley, looked off the pace McCormick looked a lost school boy Loft, meh.. Collins - looked the only one able, awake and needed help and service! Subs- nowt changed really I really cannot take anything positive out of that… Belly you loved that? Don’t think I’ve seen his distribution and positioning as bad ever. Been similarly poor more than a few times this season.
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Post by lisbongas on Sept 24, 2022 20:15:06 GMT
Belly love him Clarke did he even play? Gordon just not good enough Thomas looked shaky Kilgour isn’t good enough but tries Anderson not a rb and carrying a knock Coutts very poor today, looked slow and old Finley, looked off the pace McCormick looked a lost school boy Loft, meh.. Collins - looked the only one able, awake and needed help and service! Subs- nowt changed really I really cannot take anything positive out of that… Belly you loved that? Don’t think I’ve seen his distribution and positioning as bad ever. Belly definitely has had the jitters for a few weeks now confidence not helped by two CBs who appeared to panic whenever in possession and closed down, numerous times he was played into trouble. Worryingly he is starting to resemble the keeper Harrogate felt was surplus to requirements, that said he only let in one goal. Positives were few, but I did think Finley worked hard and showed his ability. Lofty I thought won his fair share of ball, including headers (normally i find him frustratingly poor in the air), he did however let himself down with some clumsy touches that gave the ball away and put us under pressure. Collins the stand out player again, he looked a handful and unlucky not to have made himself a goal. Put the two accrington CBs into our team and we win the game.
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Post by bs16gashead on Sept 24, 2022 20:22:43 GMT
Big fan of Collins and imo probably the best player on another bad day at the office (Mem)
Liking the look of Jasper from what I’ve seen. I’d give him a start next week, nothing to lose! (Although I fully expect us to)
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Post by It's a song on Sept 24, 2022 20:31:20 GMT
Belly you loved that? Don’t think I’ve seen his distribution and positioning as bad ever. Belly definitely has had the jitters for a few weeks now confidence not helped by two CBs who appeared to panic whenever in possession and closed down, numerous times he was played into trouble. Worryingly he is starting to resemble the keeper Harrogate felt was surplus to requirements, that said he only let in one goal. Positives were few, but I did think Finley worked hard and showed his ability. Lofty I thought won his fair share of ball, including headers (normally i find him frustratingly poor in the air), he did however let himself down with some clumsy touches that gave the ball away and put us under pressure. Collins the stand out player again, he looked a handful and unlucky not to have made himself a goal. Put the two accrington CBs into our team and we win the game. Agree with all of this, apart from the Belshaw bit. I don’t see what others are seeing there at all
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Post by Somersetgas on Sept 24, 2022 20:36:42 GMT
Belly you loved that? Don’t think I’ve seen his distribution and positioning as bad ever. Been similarly poor more than a few times this season. What I don’t get is trying to play out from the back, two defenders stay back, one gets the ball only to hoof it up the pitch, but leaving pressure on as playing all the Accrington players onside.
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Post by pirate on Sept 24, 2022 20:41:55 GMT
Belly you loved that? Don’t think I’ve seen his distribution and positioning as bad ever. Put the two accrington CBs into our team and we win the game. One of those Accrington CBs Tharme was playing National League North football for Southport last season. Joey doesn't seem to want to find those sort of gems.
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 24, 2022 21:06:47 GMT
My take on the game starting from the back.
Belly - didn’t do much wrong.
Gordon - wish he would get forward more. Didn’t today. Thomas - Potential and solid. Will only get better. Kilgour - Distrubtion let’s him down constantly. Anderson - Doesn’t get the service into space quick enough to be effective.
LMc - Did nothing influential but is played out of his natural position Finley - worked hard good range of passing and got stuck in. Coutts - Awful and rightly subbed. Lost the ball constantly, can’t pass unless it’s sideways and even then it didn’t make the intended player.
Clarke - Utter waste of a pick. Whether it’s up front or at the back the bloke is just too left footed. Can’t do anything with his right so everytime is forced onto his left to create anything. It takes about 12 mins on average for opposition sides to work that out and then any threat he has (if he has any at all) is then nullified. Not at all L1 quality.
Loft - lacked service, worked very hard, is starting to win headers but no one there to take advantage of them. Still lacks a decent first touch.
Collins - Best player on the pitch by a mile. All our chances mostly came from him creating the chances out of nothing.
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Jasper: should start in place of Clarke up top. His pace and skill would terrorise most defences. Evans: what has happened to him? Nothing is coming off for him and his dead balls are just awful.
Marquis - didn’t do anything of note but did a small shift.
Rossiter - was better than Coutts but that wasn’t hard but hard to see what he brings to the team.
Overall we are lacking width, cutting edge, tempo and ideas on the ball. Our off the ball movement is poor and we seemed to be scared to put it in the box when we have opportunity to.
Annoying thing is there is nothing about these early teams that have come down that look anything at all special, they just know how to take a chance and grind a result out.
So frustrating and it ruins my weekend.
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Post by strads1983 on Sept 24, 2022 21:43:51 GMT
I love supporting my football club and maybe my tolerance levels are becoming less, but for as bad as we were today I really can’t stand to turn up and be surrounded by fans who moan and groan at every mislayed pass from as early as the 3rd minute. One nause behind me kept saying ‘what was that!’ And ‘that was another £&@£ ball’ even when it turned out to be a good ball. Do these fans not realise that we really aren’t helping out the players. There has and will always be a few that always watch the game and love moaning at every bad pass, I’ve never ever know as many and as noisy as it was today!!
We’ll beat Exeter, let’s get down there, create some positive noise (as we did against Walsall last season) and bring home 3 points UTG
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Post by stapletongas on Sept 24, 2022 21:46:27 GMT
At least this season we’re navigating through choppy waters and not climbing bloody mountains. So that sounds a bit easier
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Post by popuppirate on Sept 25, 2022 0:03:04 GMT
Can anybody understand why JB started with Coutts today when Rossiter was available, as he had a total shocker, at one point simply falling down and claiming he was fouled but with no opposition player anywhere near him, then he got caught in possession when he seemed to lose the ability to move his legs, then got caught in possession again in the build up to corner which led to the goal. I presumed it was because Rossiter has been out through suspension, but in hindsight was probably the wrong call. Coutts looked like he did at the start of last season, as do we in general. Coutts may come good again but it's better quality midfields we're up against and we should probably give Rossiter a run in the team instead of waiting for Coutts to catch up as he may well not.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 25, 2022 6:36:09 GMT
Re Kilgour, I'm not his biggest fan but his confidence must be on the floor having not been picked last week when we had no other cb's.
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Post by pucklegas on Sept 25, 2022 6:41:11 GMT
Re Kilgour, I'm not his biggest fan but his confidence must be on the floor having not been picked last week when we had no other cb's. His passing yesterday was woeful you will see better in kids football, he s one of our own but so am I 😂😂
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Post by Gassy on Sept 25, 2022 7:20:06 GMT
Where to start really? We’re in trouble this season.
I know last season we started poorly but kicked on, the biggest difference to this year though is that last season I remember thinking we clearly had a good team for the division, despite the results. This season I don’t think we have a good team at all.
We are just not smart enough nor experienced enough, which ultimately comes down to Barton. Look at the last 4 home games on paper all winnable and neither of them were good teams, but they were smarter, fitter, harder working and came with a game plan. They all came away with points.
If I think back to Barton’s Fleetwood side from a few years ago, I wonder what has happened? That was a team exactly like I just mentioned above, so why are we such amateurs? I’m sure Joey had a smaller budget at fleetwood than we have so what’s happened with recruitment?
We had 1 shoot on target before their goal, why we didn’t make changes before that amazes me, it was clearly not a good performance, did Barton think it was acceptable?
Finally, we keep talking about players returning from injury as if we’ll be ok.. Why? There is no evidence that we will ever have a fully fit squad available. We signed a load of injury prone players and now we’re paying the price. I also don’t understand how Gibson & Gibbons returning will make our attack & midfield better? If he actually believes that then we’re in even bigger trouble that I thought. It’s just all excuses for a terrible summer of recruitment imo
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Post by mftc on Sept 25, 2022 7:45:30 GMT
Someone mentioned the opposition having a game plan.
While I am not sure what ours is, it worries me that the players don't seem to either.
After ten minutes Anderson, McCormack and Courts were pointing where each other were meant to be.
Please Joey let's get back to four at the back. This will help Hoole and Kilgour.
All this talk of distribution, Westbrooke got slaughtered for his backwards passing putting defenders under pressure and our midfield did a lot of that yesterday.
Last season the midfield came short and took the ball from defence. I have no idea why they are not doing that this season but if it means going to a back four, it's got to help.
Let's go back to basics.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2022 7:46:24 GMT
Having a gameplan is the key. We haven’t looked like we’ve had one all season. We haven’t had a settled side all season either through one reason or another. I think that JB doesn’t know his best formation or best side yet, but he needs to get an identity for us quickly. If we continue like we are with so many formation changes then I fear he’ll lose the players trust. Are we going to go 3-5-2 or 3-4-3? These questions need to be answered quickly and we need to settle down and start to form relationships on the pitch. It’s no wonder we look like a team of individuals when we don’t play the same formation or team twice. We need to working hard in the week on one formation and stick to it.
I do think that both the Gibbo’s coming back in the next couple of week will be starters. If playing wingbacks is indeed the preferred formation then Gibbons can play either side as that’s where he had such a good season for Port Vale last season. There’s also Connolly to come back too. Kilgour was getting stick for yesterday, but why play him as a wide centre half in a back 3 when that position needs someone better on the ball? He should have played in the centre of the 3 and just defended instead of being tasked with building play from the back. I think we can come good if JB stops trying to be too clever.
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Post by stapletongas on Sept 25, 2022 8:10:20 GMT
Fair play to Stanley, they were well set up and difficult to break down. You have to admire a club of their size finding ways to make it work financially and competitively in League One.
We certainly looked more solid than last week and ok, Stanley undid our defence a few times but we conceded once and that was due to not coming alive when the ball goes dead to coin the old football adage. No self respecting pro footballer should do than individually and we did it as a team.
The more worrying issue is that we have players capable of putting the ball in the net, but that's no use if we don't create the chances. I'm an advocate of keep ball, but at times we need to be more forceful going forward and be direct, especially when we have the opposition on the turn. Pace is crucial and we are not using Saunders.
Still don't understand the reluctance of teams to use 442 and get some serious width to stretch teams. Almost as if it's just because it's not fashionable, maybe some modern coaches don't know how to coach it and all it's variants.
Worrying signs though. We have a lot of players finding their feet at this level for the first time. Summer recruitment was disappointing and we appear to have placed too much trust in the vast majority of last seasons squad being able to do this collectively. They are probably all capable of playing at this level in a squad of hardened League One players, but as a group I wonder if the cracks are showing.
I think this is going to be a long hard season
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