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Post by baggins on Mar 7, 2023 16:46:36 GMT
Burnley fans are in for it, wherever they go.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2023 16:56:34 GMT
Burnley fans are in for it, wherever they go. Hopefully most rival fans will see that there is no benefit in “an eye for an eye”.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Mar 7, 2023 17:17:05 GMT
Who in their right mind takes a knife to a football match? RIP to the chap involved. Another casualty of the mind numbingly retarded fuckwits who want to fight about football. Given there's a suggestions of a brawl involving up to 15 fans it sounds how have you come to the conclusion the deceased was totally innocent? Do you think that blaming anyone does any good to anyone , does it bring someone back to life ? It goes on, all over the footballing world and we still have our own, who think it’s big and clever. The world has moved on, so should football. Blaming is not the way forward IMO
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Mar 7, 2023 17:25:29 GMT
As Holmes says none of us no the exact circumstances which led to this tragic event. Most of us our prepared to engage in banter with other fans a lot of it good natured , some fans are prepared to take it to another level and engage in punch ups and the like ,i am sure it never crosses their mind that someone could get very seriously hurt or worse still end up in life threatening situations BUT it only takes one outright thug and you end up with this. Every club has an element of followers who they could do without, i hope those who think it acceptable to behave in this manner will stop and think of the possible consequence's and refrain from such activity, if these events help get the message home then MR Johnson's passing need not be in vain. IF we ever play the 82 again, bring this up. I am sure it will not age well. Unfortunately, football is tribal by its very nature but much more could and should be done to stop to for ever starting. Those who complain about costs should then wonder what price a human life is worth. It will not change until the penalties are enforced properly and with no exceptions. For example, someone who as much as threatens another fan, should face a very high penalty IMO. It will only stop when “fans” stop glorifying it
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Post by Jomo on Mar 7, 2023 17:27:39 GMT
Premeditated murder, retaliation or self defence. It doesn't matter what or why, beating or knifing someone to death is indefensible in any circumstance. End of.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Mar 7, 2023 17:29:35 GMT
Names, addresses of those responsible should be put out into the public domain. Yes, having people attack your house will cure it, that’ll teach them eh
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Post by baggins on Mar 7, 2023 17:30:40 GMT
Premeditated murder, retaliation or self defence. It doesn't matter what or why, beating or knifing someone to death is indefensible in any circumstance. End of. Yep, and when they're arrested, post their picture along with associates and their addresses.
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Post by baggins on Mar 7, 2023 17:32:06 GMT
Names, addresses of those responsible should be put out into the public domain. Yes, having people attack your house will cure it, that’ll teach them eh You're right, few hours community service, that'll be fine.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 7, 2023 19:21:32 GMT
Names, addresses of those responsible should be put out into the public domain. Irresponsible b0llocks post.
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Post by eric on Mar 7, 2023 19:28:19 GMT
Yes, having people attack your house will cure it, that’ll teach them eh You're right, few hours community service, that'll be fine. Do you really think it needs to be that polarised? If it isn’t a public lynching then it has to be slap on the wrist. Jeez.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 7, 2023 19:33:36 GMT
Although sad, unfortunately this is not a unique happening.
I remember a death between Plymouth and Swindon fans clash some time in 80s.
Also, some one died in a clash in London underground more recently with London clubs, I want to say Millwall were involved but not sure.
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Post by Smithy Gas on Mar 7, 2023 20:34:23 GMT
As Holmes says none of us no the exact circumstances which led to this tragic event. Most of us our prepared to engage in banter with other fans a lot of it good natured , some fans are prepared to take it to another level and engage in punch ups and the like ,i am sure it never crosses their mind that someone could get very seriously hurt or worse still end up in life threatening situations BUT it only takes one outright thug and you end up with this. Every club has an element of followers who they could do without, i hope those who think it acceptable to behave in this manner will stop and think of the possible consequence's and refrain from such activity, if these events help get the message home then MR Johnson's passing need not be in vain. IF we ever play the 82 again, bring this up. I am sure it will not age well. Unfortunately, football is tribal by its very nature but much more could and should be done to stop to for ever starting. Those who complain about costs should then wonder what price a human life is worth. It will not change until the penalties are enforced properly and with no exceptions. For example, someone who as much as threatens another fan, should face a very high penalty IMO. It will only stop when “fans” stop glorifying itSays the geezer who’s spent years on the forum eulogising about the good ol’ days on the Tote End. Lol.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Mar 8, 2023 9:28:12 GMT
IF we ever play the 82 again, bring this up. I am sure it will not age well. Unfortunately, football is tribal by its very nature but much more could and should be done to stop to for ever starting. Those who complain about costs should then wonder what price a human life is worth. It will not change until the penalties are enforced properly and with no exceptions. For example, someone who as much as threatens another fan, should face a very high penalty IMO. It will only stop when “fans” stop glorifying itSays the geezer who’s spent years on the forum eulogising about the good ol’ days on the Tote End. Lol. As i said, different times , football has moved on, we were treated like animals so we acted like animals. I don’t see any cages or fans being out into them, now. I’d like to see you find ANY thread where i said i had hit anyone with any kind of weapon or acted in anyway other than in self defence. Yes, i remember it well and many times it was scary as hell but n one died and so i do not get any point that you are trying to make , maybe make a more coherent argument and give an example of where i had glorified someone being beaten and i could maybe understand
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Post by rememberhalifax on Mar 8, 2023 13:02:07 GMT
Kingswood is right in that football has moved on BUT trouble is never far away, most of the time followers manage to keep a lid on serious violence but it only takes a tiny spark form it to all kick off, as for 'caged ' fans i suspect cages came about due to serious violence at matches and would not have been necessary had every one behaved, think we can all agree that no one wants to see a return to those days.
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Post by DrFaustus on Mar 8, 2023 17:10:54 GMT
Kingswood is right in that football has moved on BUT trouble is never far away, most of the time followers manage to keep a lid on serious violence but it only takes a tiny spark form it to all kick off, as for 'caged ' fans i suspect cages came about due to serious violence at matches and would not have been necessary had every one behaved, think we can all agree that no one wants to see a return to those days. No cages and then scrapping and worse became commonplace. Of course there should never have been cages and fences, but if the collective "lads" had not given the reactionary authorities the blue touch paper,it wouldn't have been lit.
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Post by gashead1981 on Mar 8, 2023 23:12:46 GMT
Every week there is violence at football, admittedly it’s teenagers clad in Burberry and Stone Island representing their “ultras massive”. You can bump into a fair bit of it on Instagram reels every Saturday evening.
Who knows what’s exactly happened but 2 sets of fans have ended up brawling. It would be unusual to find yourselves on either side of the fight if you hadn’t conscientiously put yourself in that position somehow.
I don’t think there was any intention from either side to “beat anyone to death” but it certainly sounds like someone has taken a punch with far reaching consequences and that is what happens if you decide to swing your fists, it’s pot luck.
What a sad state of affairs.
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Post by gashead1981 on Mar 8, 2023 23:14:09 GMT
Kingswood is right in that football has moved on BUT trouble is never far away, most of the time followers manage to keep a lid on serious violence but it only takes a tiny spark form it to all kick off, as for 'caged ' fans i suspect cages came about due to serious violence at matches and would not have been necessary had every one behaved, think we can all agree that no one wants to see a return to those days. The 70s were known for hooliganism at games. Very few went for the actual football. There’s been many a documentary on it especially featuring our fair club. Wasn’t there a Bovver Boots book released about it too?
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Post by yattongas on Mar 8, 2023 23:23:32 GMT
Every week there is violence at football, admittedly it’s teenagers clad in Burberry and Stone Island representing their “ultras massive”. You can bump into a fair bit of it on Instagram reels every Saturday evening. Who knows what’s exactly happened but 2 sets of fans have ended up brawling. It would be unusual to find yourselves on either side of the fight if you hadn’t conscientiously put yourself in that position somehow. I don’t think there was any intention from either side to “beat anyone to death” but it certainly sounds like someone has taken a punch with far reaching consequences and that is what happens if you decide to swing your fists, it’s pot luck. What a sad state of affairs. Don’t use instagram or ( Facebook for that matter )but is there scenes of violent disorder posted involving Gas ?
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Post by gashead1981 on Mar 9, 2023 0:21:33 GMT
Every week there is violence at football, admittedly it’s teenagers clad in Burberry and Stone Island representing their “ultras massive”. You can bump into a fair bit of it on Instagram reels every Saturday evening. Who knows what’s exactly happened but 2 sets of fans have ended up brawling. It would be unusual to find yourselves on either side of the fight if you hadn’t conscientiously put yourself in that position somehow. I don’t think there was any intention from either side to “beat anyone to death” but it certainly sounds like someone has taken a punch with far reaching consequences and that is what happens if you decide to swing your fists, it’s pot luck. What a sad state of affairs. Don’t use instagram or ( Facebook for that matter )but is there scenes of violent disorder posted involving Gas ? Don’t recall seeing anything on there with us as of yet.
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