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Post by percy on Jul 22, 2023 7:16:49 GMT
A fantastic option if we are looking to score no goals and watch a big lad get bullied by smaller defenders. I didn’t see anything to suggest he’s league 1 Stabdard in current context. Which, I guess, is why Middlesbrough offered him an extended contract...wonder what they know, or see, that doubters here do not. At Championship level. They have the luxury to wait and see. A loan needs to deliver immediately. Wouldn’t be completely against it but think he shouldn’t be guaranteed a starting place. |
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Post by fanboy on Jul 22, 2023 7:29:15 GMT
A fantastic option if we are looking to score no goals and watch a big lad get bullied by smaller defenders. I didn’t see anything to suggest he’s league 1 Stabdard in current context. He did not fit the tactics we ended up deploying imo, not his fault, huge potential and will score goals next season … I agree though not a fit for us |
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Post by farmerofsheep on Jul 22, 2023 7:49:03 GMT
A fantastic option if we are looking to score no goals and watch a big lad get bullied by smaller defenders. I didn’t see anything to suggest he’s league 1 Stabdard in current context. He did not fit the tactics we ended up deploying imo, not his fault, huge potential and will score goals next season … I agree though not a fit for us I agree with all of these comments, he does not fit our style of play. Needs to learn a lot about how to win the cheating battle with central defenders. |
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Post by eric on Jul 22, 2023 9:39:32 GMT
I can't see Coburn fitting in to our side now with the additions of Brown and Thomas along with Scotty sinclair and AC and JM. We are shaping up to look like a team who plays it quick and short on the deck and personally I think Loft has the ability to improve as the target man if and when we need one providing he stays fit 😉 Sorry have to disagree on Loft - he isn’t good enough to compete for a place at a club which has aspirations for a top six place. His effort and attitude can’t be faulted but he’s simply not a very good footballer. The very least a big target man should be able to do is hold the ball up and bring others into play but his first tough normally sees the ball rebound ten yards away! I think it would be better for us and him to bring in a replacement and let him find a club where he will play most weeks, at this stage of his career surely he wants more than to be sat in the stands as it’s going to be hard to find him a place in the matchday squad. |
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Post by wilkimania on Jul 22, 2023 9:56:56 GMT
I can't see Coburn fitting in to our side now with the additions of Brown and Thomas along with Scotty sinclair and AC and JM. We are shaping up to look like a team who plays it quick and short on the deck and personally I think Loft has the ability to improve as the target man if and when we need one providing he stays fit 😉 Sorry have to disagree on Loft - he isn’t good enough to compete for a place at a club which has aspirations for a top six place. His effort and attitude can’t be faulted but he’s simply not a very good footballer. The very least a big target man should be able to do is hold the ball up and bring others into play but his first tough normally sees the ball rebound ten yards away! I think it would be better for us and him to bring in a replacement and let him find a club where he will play most weeks, at this stage of his career surely he wants more than to be sat in the stands as it’s going to be hard to find him a place in the matchday squad. Are any of our strikers good enough to lead the line currently in a top 6 team though? Collins plays wide most of the time so I'm discounting him for now. |
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Post by eric on Jul 22, 2023 10:07:02 GMT
Sorry have to disagree on Loft - he isn’t good enough to compete for a place at a club which has aspirations for a top six place. His effort and attitude can’t be faulted but he’s simply not a very good footballer. The very least a big target man should be able to do is hold the ball up and bring others into play but his first tough normally sees the ball rebound ten yards away! I think it would be better for us and him to bring in a replacement and let him find a club where he will play most weeks, at this stage of his career surely he wants more than to be sat in the stands as it’s going to be hard to find him a place in the matchday squad. Are any of our strikers good enough to lead the line currently in a top 6 team though? Collins plays wide most of the time so I'm discounting him for now. If we play 4-2-3-1 then I can see Collins working well as the number nine in a fairly fluid attacking four. Alternatively, Marquis is good enough to play that position and with any of those three behind will have plenty of opportunities and should score a lot of goals. I’d bring someone in for Loft who can compete for the number nine shirt. As things stand my starting front four would be Sinclair, Brown & Thomas with Collins up top. Someone like Bogarde to sit in alongside Ward would make 4-2-3-1 work. A big, dominant CB alongside Wilson (Connor Taylor please) and possibly an upgrade on Belshaw would give us a promotion challenging starting XI with decent cover in most areas. |
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Post by bobbyjones on Jul 22, 2023 16:44:31 GMT
We need to go forward not backwards.
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Post by eric on Jul 22, 2023 18:44:47 GMT
We need to go forward not backwards. I’ve not got the wide knowledge of players like Pirate has for example and I’ve admitted that before hence my unimaginative suggestion. Nothing wrong with wanting a successful loanee coming back in my eyes - don’t see why that would be a backward step? We’ve had the chance to “try before you buy” so less risky than other signings maybe? If you agree that we need another Centreback which players do you think we should have on our shopping list? |
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Post by outsidehitter30 on Jul 22, 2023 20:15:31 GMT
Enjoyed watching Connor Taylor the most during our promotion season.
Enjoyed watching Josh Coburn the most of any player last season.
Would love to see both back!
Coburn is so young if he is I. Div 1 next season for us or anyone else he WILL BE in the mix for the golden Boot.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 22, 2023 22:17:05 GMT
We need to go forward not backwards. I’ve not got the wide knowledge of players like Pirate has for example and I’ve admitted that before hence my unimaginative suggestion. Nothing wrong with wanting a successful loanee coming back in my eyes - don’t see why that would be a backward step? We’ve had the chance to “try before you buy” so less risky than other signings maybe? If you agree that we need another Centreback which players do you think we should have on our shopping list? Was Coburn really a success when we had a pretty awful run of results after the turn of the year? As far as "try before you buy" there's little signs 'boro will be looking to sell Coburn when they've just given him a new 4 year contract. |
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Post by Gastafari on Jul 23, 2023 6:39:47 GMT
Sorry have to disagree on Loft - he isn’t good enough to compete for a place at a club which has aspirations for a top six place. His effort and attitude can’t be faulted but he’s simply not a very good footballer. The very least a big target man should be able to do is hold the ball up and bring others into play but his first tough normally sees the ball rebound ten yards away! I think it would be better for us and him to bring in a replacement and let him find a club where he will play most weeks, at this stage of his career surely he wants more than to be sat in the stands as it’s going to be hard to find him a place in the matchday squad. Are any of our strikers good enough to lead the line currently in a top 6 team though? Collins plays wide most of the time so I'm discounting him for now. It depends what you mean by good enough? Do you mean general ability wise? Or are you judging it simply on goal return? You can achieve success without 20+ goal a season strikers. It's not an absolute necessity. Plymouth won the league last year without any. Ryan Hardie was their top scorer with 13, Niall Ennis scored 12, and Morgan Whittaker scored 9. A combined total of 34 goals shared between their 3 main forwards. Collins, Coburn and Marquis scored more between them with 35 combined. The difference is Plymouth shared goals throughout the whole team. They had 19 different players chip in with goals. Compared with Rovers who only had 11 different goalscorers. So imo having goal contributions from all over the pitch is more important than having a prolific striker. Bringing Javani Brown in will hopefully improve that, I think Scott Sinclair is going to have a big impact this season, Luke Thomas gives us another option attacking wise,and it's up to the likes of Luke McCormick and Anthony Evans to step up as they both didn't put in the same level of performances from previous seasons. Centre Halfs chipping in with goals from Set Pieces helps massively, Connoly and Gibson only got 1 goal each. And Anthony Evans and Grant Ward were our only Midfielders who scored last season, that is pitiful, really. |
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Post by Gastafari on Jul 23, 2023 7:01:02 GMT
Enjoyed watching Connor Taylor the most during our promotion season. Enjoyed watching Josh Coburn the most of any player last season. Would love to see both back! Coburn is so young if he is I. Div 1 next season for us or anyone else he WILL BE in the mix for the golden Boot. I did enjoy watching Connor Taylor, rated him very highly. The Geordie Maradona was surely the most enjoyable player to watch in our promotion season though? Joey Barton does seem to be able to entice better quality players to come to us on loan, think of Connor Taylor, Lewis Gibson, Quansah, Bogarde, Geordie Maradona and Coburn I don't think they would of joined under previous managers. That's a decent track record. I'm sure we will be looking to bring some more in this season too. |
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Post by lympstonegas on Jul 23, 2023 10:40:33 GMT
Absolutely- we move on every time.
Let’s just wait and be prepared for some ‘Who?’ Moments still to come
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Post by woolavingtonpirate on Jul 23, 2023 10:49:42 GMT
Need to be good at scoring and defending set pieces to be in the top 6. More goals from midfield, more long range goals. I think we conceeded far too many goals from set plays last season. A Coburn or Loft type player helps defend set plays, so is a definate starter for me.
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Post by Claremont Gas on Jul 23, 2023 16:08:26 GMT
I would try to convert Loft into a CB ….
Think he could do well ….
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Post by percy on Jul 23, 2023 16:16:26 GMT
I would try to convert Loft into a CB …. Think he could do well …. He has no close control. I don’t! Loan to L2 until Jan and see if he can get some form back. |
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Post by Claremont Gas on Jul 23, 2023 16:56:57 GMT
I would try to convert Loft into a CB …. Think he could do well …. He has no close control. I don’t! Loan to L2 until Jan and see if he can get some form back. I don’t disagree… my point was badly made to be honest - he is not a striker and I agree first choice should be move on. No idea other than ego why Barton persists with him … Huge Moment of truth in Barton’s leadership this year as if Loft , Evans and McCormick add little to zero again they will need to go in January surely? |
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Post by fanboy on Jul 23, 2023 17:00:04 GMT
He has no close control. I don’t! Loan to L2 until Jan and see if he can get some form back. I don’t disagree… my point was badly made to be honest - he is not a striker and I agree first choice should be move on. No idea other than ego why Barton persists with him … Huge Moment of truth in Barton’s leadership this year as if Loft , Evans and McCormick add little to zero again they will need to go in January surely? Have absolutely no concerns over Joey getting rid of players if genuinely not up to it. He’s probably the most ruthless of managers I can remember. |
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Post by socrates on Jul 23, 2023 18:00:04 GMT
Loft clocked in as our quickest straight line player at the start of pre-season and yet 95% of the fanbase would probably pick Loft as the first player to get rid of. Port Vale (A) Absolute pace on the big man! Yeah he is quick , but because he’s also tall and strong we tend to hit it high to him back to goal which in my opinion isn’t his game. Same problem last season with Coburn , look at his goals the majority were poacher type goals running on to a cross back post or a through ball , but hit it to him in the air back to goal he would be wrestled off of the ball by defenders that weren’t as big but were cleverer, either that or he’d give away a free kick. Arguably our only hold up target man is Marquise and I’m not convinced he’s good enough for a league 1 club who are looking to push for the play offs anymore. |
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Post by gulfofaden on Jul 24, 2023 5:07:52 GMT
You guys are too soft. Strikers are supposed to score goals. Harrison and that Bloke from Plymouth scored overhead kicks.
If a striker needs the ball on a plate or it’s the fault of the team for not playing a certain way, that’s not a good striker. They are supposed to get the ball and stick it in the onion bag.
Cureton, Roberts, Beadle, agogo, JK4, even Taylor wouldn’t have needed a team playing a certain way. These are the sorts of players you need to get out of League 1, not a young Chris beardsley
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