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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 10, 2023 18:58:54 GMT
We always judge managers by trophies and promotions etc but another sign of a good manager/coach is how much they can improve a player or unlock their potential.
2 questions for you...
1) Which player improved most after joining rovers and before leaving the club?
2) Which manager was most successful at improving players at the club?
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Post by aghast on Aug 10, 2023 20:21:56 GMT
Gary Mabbutt or Ricky Lambert.
Don Megson or Gerry Francis.
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Post by gasify on Aug 10, 2023 20:28:09 GMT
1) Carl Saunders
2) Nigel Martyn
3) Gary Penrice
Close the thread now.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 10, 2023 21:12:37 GMT
Elliott Anderson went from unknown Academy player to Premiership player in just over 6 months, not sure any Rovers player has progressed faster.
Gerry Francis had more success than Don Megson at increasing the players valuations.
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Post by pirate on Aug 10, 2023 21:24:16 GMT
Jason Roberts. Scored 1 goal in his first 17 games. Was a part in Ollie's book where he referenced the time Pen took Roberts to do some extra shooting practice against Andy Collett and got Roberts to improve his focus with Pen shouting obscenities at him from behind the goal and trying to put him off. After that session Roberts never looked back apparently and the rest is history.
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Post by dudelebowski on Aug 10, 2023 22:14:11 GMT
I suppose the Snake falls into this catagory.
Absolute barrel of p**s first few months with us, suppose he did a bit thereafter🫣
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Post by stuart1974 on Aug 10, 2023 22:34:17 GMT
Billy Bodin?
Francis as manager for pure consistency.
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Post by gasify on Aug 11, 2023 5:48:06 GMT
Elliott Anderson went from unknown Academy player to Premiership player in just over 6 months, not sure any Rovers player has progressed faster. Gerry Francis had more success than Don Megson at increasing the players valuations. He wasn't really an unknown Academy player. Newcastle knew he was good enough. Carl Saunders - Defender to prolific Striker. Unknown to absolute legend. Anderson doesn't come close to being scouted by the tea lady to being the first £1m goal keeper and playing for England. Nor does Anderson compare with Mangotsfield Utd to Rovers hero to top flight player. Elliot Anderson had been on the trajectory he is on since he was probably 6 or 7 years old. The three I mention didn't have that head start. For me, that makes them more most improved. |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 11, 2023 7:32:50 GMT
I suppose the Snake falls into this catagory. Absolute barrel of p**s first few months with us, suppose he did a bit thereafter🫣 Not for me. It was obvious he was talented in the friendlies before the season started. |
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Post by mftc on Aug 11, 2023 7:32:52 GMT
Could say loads of the Twerton era players.
Jocky winger to full back, Bruno had a scoring record of 1 in 7 and had been released to play non league, Scales, Mehew, Tanner, Penrice, all rejected by someone else.
I suppose Ricky Lambert made the most significant rise. Many said he was a "Dunford signing" in his first few months but boy did he go onto big things.
What an England debut - real Roy of the Rovers stuff. What was the stories at the time? - from beetroot factory to England scorer in 7 years.
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Post by percy on Aug 11, 2023 7:35:16 GMT
Could say loads of the Twerton era players. Jocky winger to full back, Bruno had a scoring record of 1 in 7 and had been released to play non league, Scales, Mehew, Tanner, Penrice, all rejected by someone else. I suppose Ricky Lambert made the most significant rise. Many said he was a "Dunford signing" in his first few months but boy did he go onto big things. What an England debut - real Roy of the Rovers stuff. What was the stories at the time? - from beetroot factory to England scorer in 7 years. Yup this. Case closed! |
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Post by yattongas on Aug 11, 2023 7:43:25 GMT
Could say loads of the Twerton era players. Jocky winger to full back, Bruno had a scoring record of 1 in 7 and had been released to play non league, Scales, Mehew, Tanner, Penrice, all rejected by someone else. I suppose Ricky Lambert made the most significant rise. Many said he was a "Dunford signing" in his first few months but boy did he go onto big things. What an England debut - real Roy of the Rovers stuff. What was the stories at the time? - from beetroot factory to England scorer in 7 years. Yeah agreed that it’s gotta be Lambo . He’s just a fat midfielder 😂 |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 11, 2023 7:45:20 GMT
Could say loads of the Twerton era players. Jocky winger to full back, Bruno had a scoring record of 1 in 7 and had been released to play non league, Scales, Mehew, Tanner, Penrice, all rejected by someone else. I suppose Ricky Lambert made the most significant rise. Many said he was a "Dunford signing" in his first few months but boy did he go onto big things. What an England debut - real Roy of the Rovers stuff. What was the stories at the time? - from beetroot factory to England scorer in 7 years. Yeah agreed that it’s gotta be Lambo . He’s just a fat midfielder 😂 But Lambert's record was very good before his time with us? |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 11, 2023 7:46:07 GMT
Elliott Anderson went from unknown Academy player to Premiership player in just over 6 months, not sure any Rovers player has progressed faster. Gerry Francis had more success than Don Megson at increasing the players valuations. He wasn't really an unknown Academy player. Newcastle knew he was good enough. Carl Saunders - Defender to prolific Striker. Unknown to absolute legend. Anderson doesn't come close to being scouted by the tea lady to being the first £1m goal keeper and playing for England. Nor does Anderson compare with Mangotsfield Utd to Rovers hero to top flight player. Elliot Anderson had been on the trajectory he is on since he was probably 6 or 7 years old. The three I mention didn't have that head start. For me, that makes them more most improved. I'm too young to remmeber Carl Saunders. However he played in the top 2 divisions with Stoke before us? |
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Post by westfieldgas on Aug 11, 2023 7:47:04 GMT
Billy Bodin - came in as a National League winger with poor record & inconsistent spells. Turned very quickly into a skilful, goal scoring forward, who IMO at his prime could've played high end Champ football.
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Post by Quarters on Aug 11, 2023 8:21:10 GMT
Marcus Stewart was developed mainly by the assistant manager under Ward. Can't remember his name at the moment.
Olly and Penny developed a few strikers.
Francis developed a whole team.
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Post by Somersetgas on Aug 11, 2023 8:39:59 GMT
Marcus Stewart was developed mainly by the assistant manager under Ward. Can't remember his name at the moment. Olly and Penny developed a few strikers. Francis developed a whole team. Dennis Booth? |
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Post by dudelebowski on Aug 11, 2023 8:55:27 GMT
I suppose the Snake falls into this catagory. Absolute barrel of p**s first few months with us, suppose he did a bit thereafter🫣 Not for me. It was obvious he was talented in the friendlies before the season started. I remember it very differently. Took him 10 league games to find the net and until that point looked as much a waste of time as Jamie White. |
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Post by Quarters on Aug 11, 2023 9:15:36 GMT
Marcus Stewart was developed mainly by the assistant manager under Ward. Can't remember his name at the moment. Olly and Penny developed a few strikers. Francis developed a whole team. Dennis Booth? Well done, that's the man. |
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Post by toggsy2 on Aug 11, 2023 9:50:27 GMT
We always judge managers by trophies and promotions etc but another sign of a good manager/coach is how much they can improve a player or unlock their potential. 2 questions for you... 1) Which player improved most after joining rovers and before leaving the club? 2) Which manager was most successful at improving players at the club? Chris Lines, Scotty Sinclair and any player coming through the youth system and making it as a full time professional would be classed as success Difficult to choose a specific manager as each have had their own success in developing players. If you want to include managers that have gone onto better things Bobby Gould has to be up there Winning the FA to Wales National Coach that's some achievement |
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