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Post by supergas on Mar 27, 2024 9:13:28 GMT
I'm extrapolating based on the fact that multiple neighbours told journalists she wasn't living at the property whilst registered there on the electoral roll. It's unlikely they all told journalists one thing and then the police something different, and so given the short period of 'investigation' I guess they were not contacted by the police... I'm not prejudging her, I would just like some answers from her/the police/HMRC/the Electoral Commission that match what official records and neighbours are telling us she actually did. So far from her we've had six weeks of media blackout, one interview with lobby journalists where she ducked the questions and then the Newsnight interview where we know some of the claims she made are factually inaccurate. So, I could argue you lied and you should resign from your job?  You're probably right on it, but its a bit misleading to write like you did. Do we actually know whether the claims are not factually correct btw, or is it more of a she said vs neighbours said? I won't lie, if you asked me who my neighbours were 5 years ago I couldn't tell you. But then I do live in London, a bit less personal here. I agree its worth asking the questions though, hopefully we get some clarity. But those begging for resignations and saying she broke the law, I think they need to chill out a bit and look at their own party before slinging out those words Well at the moment we have multiple neighbours all claiming her brother was living at the house in question, whilst Rayner says she was still living there. Awkward to be sharing a house with your brother whilst your husband and kids are living elsewhere, but maybe that's the arrangement they had. Even so that raises questions about rental income, the right-to-buy discount she got and whether or not both she and her (now ex) husband got capital gains principal private residence relief when the house(s) were sold. I don't know any more than I read on various website and blogs, but I do know that the questions (as well as her answers) on Newsnight did not address the key accusations against her. Politically the accusations are substantial and will impact the party as well as just her own career, and so they need to be addressed before the election - if the evidence was there to clear her of the accusations, there is absolutely no reason she could not have made it public by now... |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 27, 2024 10:18:59 GMT
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Post by Gassy on Mar 27, 2024 11:39:31 GMT
Anyone who relies on it is definitely in trouble, but why shouldn’t I expect it to subsidise my pot when I one day retire? There’s not a chance in hell I’m working until 70 mate. As for the last part, I have no idea. My financial advisor manages it Sure But I think, believe, that the current state pension scheme is not sustainable and if or when it unravels it will affect everyone equally. Thats the exact problem I'm highlighting mate, along with Stuart's post above. With an aging population but not increasing workforce, who/how are we going to pay for pensions once Im retired? If at all? While I'm taking steps to manage that pension pot now, the wipe out of the pension would certainly affect my living standards. And I imagine it'll affect others a lot worse too |
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Post by oldie on Mar 27, 2024 12:35:45 GMT
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Post by oldie on Mar 27, 2024 12:36:45 GMT
Sure But I think, believe, that the current state pension scheme is not sustainable and if or when it unravels it will affect everyone equally. Thats the exact problem I'm highlighting mate, along with Stuart's post above. With an aging population but not increasing workforce, who/how are we going to pay for pensions once Im retired? If at all? While I'm taking steps to manage that pension pot now, the wipe out of the pension would certainly affect my living standards. And I imagine it'll affect others a lot worse too Guaranteed basic income. Then slash the welfare bill. It's the only way |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 27, 2024 12:39:15 GMT
So, I could argue you lied and you should resign from your job? You're probably right on it, but its a bit misleading to write like you did. Do we actually know whether the claims are not factually correct btw, or is it more of a she said vs neighbours said? I won't lie, if you asked me who my neighbours were 5 years ago I couldn't tell you. But then I do live in London, a bit less personal here. I agree its worth asking the questions though, hopefully we get some clarity. But those begging for resignations and saying she broke the law, I think they need to chill out a bit and look at their own party before slinging out those words Well at the moment we have multiple neighbours all claiming her brother was living at the house in question, whilst Rayner says she was still living there. Awkward to be sharing a house with your brother whilst your husband and kids are living elsewhere, but maybe that's the arrangement they had. Even so that raises questions about rental income, the right-to-buy discount she got and whether or not both she and her (now ex) husband got capital gains principal private residence relief when the house(s) were sold. I don't know any more than I read on various website and blogs, but I do know that the questions (as well as her answers) on Newsnight did not address the key accusations against her. Politically the accusations are substantial and will impact the party as well as just her own career, and so they need to be addressed before the election - if the evidence was there to clear her of the accusations, there is absolutely no reason she could not have made it public by now... What websites and blogs are you reading? The answer is probably there . |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 27, 2024 12:40:24 GMT
Thats the exact problem I'm highlighting mate, along with Stuart's post above. With an aging population but not increasing workforce, who/how are we going to pay for pensions once Im retired? If at all? While I'm taking steps to manage that pension pot now, the wipe out of the pension would certainly affect my living standards. And I imagine it'll affect others a lot worse too Guaranteed basic income. Then slash the welfare bill. It's the only way I’m a big advocate of basic income and with AI coming more prevalent it’ll be a necessity soon or there will be societal breakdown. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 27, 2024 13:38:27 GMT
Thats the exact problem I'm highlighting mate, along with Stuart's post above. With an aging population but not increasing workforce, who/how are we going to pay for pensions once Im retired? If at all? While I'm taking steps to manage that pension pot now, the wipe out of the pension would certainly affect my living standards. And I imagine it'll affect others a lot worse too Guaranteed basic income. Then slash the welfare bill. It's the only way Those under 30 not getting a State pension but have a personal savings pot set up that employers pay into as well. It follows them rather than have lots of small pots and little obligation to contribute. It should have a minimum underwritten by government similar to when people could opt out of SERPS. |
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Post by supergas on Mar 28, 2024 8:46:21 GMT
Well at the moment we have multiple neighbours all claiming her brother was living at the house in question, whilst Rayner says she was still living there. Awkward to be sharing a house with your brother whilst your husband and kids are living elsewhere, but maybe that's the arrangement they had. Even so that raises questions about rental income, the right-to-buy discount she got and whether or not both she and her (now ex) husband got capital gains principal private residence relief when the house(s) were sold. I don't know any more than I read on various website and blogs, but I do know that the questions (as well as her answers) on Newsnight did not address the key accusations against her. Politically the accusations are substantial and will impact the party as well as just her own career, and so they need to be addressed before the election - if the evidence was there to clear her of the accusations, there is absolutely no reason she could not have made it public by now... What websites and blogs are you reading? The answer is probably there . The real question is why the mainstream media has only just started to cover it properly in the last 24 hours as the police now admit they didn't investigate the claims thoroughly the first time. She could easily stop all these allegations by answering some very simple questions.... |
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Post by francegas on Mar 28, 2024 11:15:14 GMT
What websites and blogs are you reading? The answer is probably there . The real question is why the mainstream media has only just started to cover it properly in the last 24 hours as the police now admit they didn't investigate the claims thoroughly the first time. She could easily stop all these allegations by answering some very simple questions.... She could but she'd probably spout a load of lies. |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 28, 2024 12:19:45 GMT
The real question is why the mainstream media has only just started to cover it properly in the last 24 hours as the police now admit they didn't investigate the claims thoroughly the first time. She could easily stop all these allegations by answering some very simple questions.... She could but she'd probably spout a load of lies. So if ( when 🙄) she’s cleared , you won’t believe it anyway because you think she lied. Just like currygate and Starmer. You are a funny man France 😂 |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 28, 2024 13:35:20 GMT
The real question is why the mainstream media has only just started to cover it properly in the last 24 hours as the police now admit they didn't investigate the claims thoroughly the first time. She could easily stop all these allegations by answering some very simple questions.... She could but she'd probably spout a load of lies. Guilty until proven innocent? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 28, 2024 13:35:58 GMT
Two issues here, the double standards (see the readers added context) and the info gathering.
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Post by francegas on Mar 28, 2024 16:08:15 GMT
She could but she'd probably spout a load of lies. Guilty until proven innocent? I wonder where I've heard that before. Weren't some on here calling for Boris' blood saying he was guilty of attending 10+ parties when he was found guilty of "one" his own birthday attended by people he worked around daily at Downing Street. |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 28, 2024 16:47:37 GMT
Guilty until proven innocent? I wonder where I've heard that before. Weren't some on here calling for Boris' blood saying he was guilty of attending 10+ parties when he was found guilty of "one" his own birthday attended by people he worked around daily at Downing Street. They didn’t investigate all the parties. |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 28, 2024 16:54:56 GMT
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Post by yattongas on Mar 28, 2024 18:20:33 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 28, 2024 18:40:33 GMT
Guilty until proven innocent? I wonder where I've heard that before. Weren't some on here calling for Boris' blood saying he was guilty of attending 10+ parties when he was found guilty of "one" his own birthday attended by people he worked around daily at Downing Street. He was guilty of lying many times over prior to that. |
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Post by francegas on Mar 29, 2024 9:29:07 GMT
There is a difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion ... one is perfectly legal the other isn't. So Lord Ashcroft had non dom status between 2000 and 2010 under..oh yes a Labour Government who had "10" years to scrap the non dom rules ensuring the tax was paid but failed to do so. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 29, 2024 10:03:17 GMT
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You're probably right on it, but its a bit misleading to write like you did.
