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Post by faggotygas on Mar 1, 2024 11:55:20 GMT
13 pitches? I thought what was said was we currently use 5 of the 30 acres at present but expect to increase to 13? Acres, not pitches? That’s my notes, I may have misunderstood? 13 pitches were mentioned, because someone said 13 is an unlucky number and Abdullalatif jokingly said ok 11 then! I can't see the 13 pitches being full size. Why would we need them? Kids don't go to 11v11 until under 13s Can't see why would ever need more than: 2x 5 a side 2x 7 a side 2x 9 a side 7 x 11 a side for reference , Manchester City's training ground has 10 full size pitches, some of which are marked for smaller side formats. Liverpool's has 12. I chair a football club for 400 kids, we have 3 full size, 3 9v9, 2 7v7 and 2 5v5 |
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Post by Russgas on Mar 1, 2024 12:02:44 GMT
What do you mean keep them apart ?. There's a massive sheet which can be moved up and down . Also there's a massive steel gate at the back of the stand . That's the simple bit ! what about the concourse? Has to be partitioned & gated off i would have thought.🤔 |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 1, 2024 12:06:20 GMT
quick google at 2019 prices: *How much does it cost to build a natural turf pitch? A full-sized, natural grass sports pitch will cost £120,000 on average, however natural turf pitches can cost between £50,000 – £350,000 depending on the pitch specification, performance level and location. Pitch renovation generally costs between £15,000 – £20,000 for a full-sized annual pitch renovation. The main factors that will impact the overall pitch cost are: Size and dimensions of the pitch or pitches Scope of earthworks required Chosen drainage and irrigation systems Amount of sand required for amelioration into top soil Environmental mitigation methods Floodlighting, fencing and equipment requirements Additional work is also often required in the form of ancillary equipment (team shelters, pavilions, spectator areas) and civil engineering (access pathways, hard standings, roadways and car parks), so this may need to be factored into your costs. Please get in touch if you’d like an example of a detailed breakdown of project costs, or a quote on the cost of building a natural turf pitch for your needs.* Just have a look at the land those 13 pitches will be sited. That’s a LOT of work and costs. I’m sticking with 500k for decent standard pitches at the quarters . You think each of the 13 pitches will be of the highest possible standard, and each will need its own floodlighting, pavilion, fencing, equipment, environmental mitigation, roadway and car park? No . But I still think it’ll work out about 500k a pitch in total. Come back to me in 5 yrs and we’ll decide who was right . 😉 |
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Post by faggotygas on Mar 1, 2024 12:08:37 GMT
You think each of the 13 pitches will be of the highest possible standard, and each will need its own floodlighting, pavilion, fencing, equipment, environmental mitigation, roadway and car park? No . But I still think it’ll work out about 500k a pitch in total. Come back to me in 5 yrs and we’ll decide who was right . 😉  we'll see! Anyway, as I say. 13 pitches is ludicrous. St George's Park only has 12! 13 full sizes pitches would make it one of the largest training facilites in the country in terms of pitches, so I reckon some of those pitches must be smaller format. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 1, 2024 12:08:48 GMT
You think each of the 13 pitches will be of the highest possible standard, and each will need its own floodlighting, pavilion, fencing, equipment, environmental mitigation, roadway and car park? No . But I still think it’ll work out about 500k a pitch in total. Come back to me in 5 yrs and we’ll decide who was right . 😉 Is that accounting for inflation or at 2024 levels? 😉 |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 1, 2024 12:11:13 GMT
No . But I still think it’ll work out about 500k a pitch in total. Come back to me in 5 yrs and we’ll decide who was right . 😉 we'll see! Anyway, as I say. 13 pitches is ludicrous. St George's Park only has 12! 13 full sizes pitches would make it one of the largest training facilites in the country in terms of pitches, so I reckon some of those pitches must be smaller format. Yeah agree , really can’t see how it’s possible to get 13 pitches ! |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 1, 2024 12:11:47 GMT
No . But I still think it’ll work out about 500k a pitch in total. Come back to me in 5 yrs and we’ll decide who was right . 😉 Is that accounting for inflation or at 2024 levels? 😉 Don’t complicate things you ! 🙄😂 |
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Post by supergas on Mar 1, 2024 12:14:47 GMT
All sounds good to me 👍 A new CEO would not be a bad thing in my eyes. i think that everyone is being harsh on Tom. Basically we have an owner who knows how to make people like him and has the authority to come in and promise things in a public meeting that will make him popular as it is his money he is spending . A CEO is an employee doing his best to run a business of defined guidelines provided by the strategic direction that the Board has taken - someone who is not there to make emotional feel good decisions and who is safeguarding other people's money. I suspect that things were said yesterday that left Tom biting his tongue and it was telling that when he talked about the progamme notes, no-one in authority stood up and explained why that was taken away from him. Tom did not blame any of the infrastructure problems until the owner mentioned them and that then meant that he could open up and admit things that previously may have remained unsaid. Dont get me wrong i am not complaining about what was a positive meeting simply because this does happen in open meetings like the one last night but it would be naieve to think that Tom Gorringe could be as open and forthcoming in a meeting like that as one of the owners. The CEO (Chief Executive Officer) is ultimately responsible for all the small/medium mistakes made by the club. Yes, that is guided by the directors but they will have a high level of autonomy and across all areas of the club there have been errors and mistakes that keep happening... |
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Post by vaughan on Mar 1, 2024 12:18:21 GMT
The thing that was also staggering was the admission last night of "The Fruit Market was nothing more than a concept, even if that mature!! This was quite a shocking revelation. So thank you Wael for the announcement in Blackpol way back in August 2019 and Mayor Marvin for telling us the Mayors office was right behind the scheme along of course with the expensive commissioned drone movie convincing us the new stadium was around the corner. Not forgetting of course the 1.2 million hits on this forum by all of us regarding the FM. We have all been mugged and duped ! Given how many pages over all those debating years were devoted to it, it was a shock. Abdullatif was scathing in his dismissal of the whole project. The developer "was never interested" in a Stadium, only flats and houses. My conclusion is that we were strung along by the developer, as BCC support for a stadium might have benefitted the developer in facilitating the project. The narrative of a new Stadium kept Rovers fans off Wael's back, who did not have the finance to make this a reality, even after selling Mem. Whatever you say about the new owners, their clear-headedness about the Mem maybe the best thing that has happened in years. The plans are at least realistic and have a time frame attached. There is no guarantee that we will succeed. But I don't think that they will bull***t us either along the way. Abdullatif seemed quite energised to have questions, because he wanted to convey "the devil in the detail". |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Mar 1, 2024 12:20:59 GMT
what about the concourse? Has to be partitioned & gated off i would have thought.🤔 That raises the question . Is the club intending to do additional work to address this ?. What is the update on the concourse?. |
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Post by gasify on Mar 1, 2024 12:25:43 GMT
what about the concourse? Has to be partitioned & gated off i would have thought.🤔 Its alright, we've got a massive sheet. That'll do. I think the issue as mentioned before is that the first exit from the stand goes down to an area that can be gated off. However the 2nd (or maybe the 3rd, principle is the same) exit onwards goes down to the concourse past that gate and doesn't allow for segregation |
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Post by gasify on Mar 1, 2024 12:28:22 GMT
Has to be partitioned & gated off i would have thought.🤔 That raises the question . Is the club intending to do additional work to address this ?. What is the update on the concourse?.Gonna put TV's up and bars in. There is only one set toip box, so everyone will be watching the same channel! (someone sell the clubs a bunch of these Firestick things that the young uns use) Knowing the club though, what is the definition of a bar? There is a cart that comes out at the front of the Clubhouse bar in summer. Knowing Rovers, the'll put that into the concourse and call it a bar! |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Mar 1, 2024 12:29:54 GMT
Has to be partitioned & gated off i would have thought.🤔 Its alright, we've got a massive sheet. That'll do. I think the issue as mentioned before is that the first exit from the stand goes down to an area that can be gated off. However the 2nd (or maybe the 3rd, principle is the same) exit onwards goes down to the concourse past that gate and doesn't allow for segregation So to move a gate across which will take most builders I know a day or two work is losing the club up to £500k a year ?. Wow!. |
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Post by gasify on Mar 1, 2024 12:33:18 GMT
Two additional things that made me laugh were:
1) A question to Taylor about Sinclair and referring to him as one of our own. I'm still a bit twisted about how he left for Chelsea and we were left with a tribunal to agree the fee. What did we get £150k? £250k? Not sure if there were any sell on clauses set at that Tribunal. Either way, I never thought of him as one of our own. We got more out of Bobby Zamora, would you consider him one of our own?
2) Evans - That scouse accent, oh the little scally. He also goes bright red when he is embarrassed. You think that a footballer on £xk a week wouldn't react like that.
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Post by bettyblue on Mar 1, 2024 12:48:27 GMT
Its alright, we've got a massive sheet. That'll do. I think the issue as mentioned before is that the first exit from the stand goes down to an area that can be gated off. However the 2nd (or maybe the 3rd, principle is the same) exit onwards goes down to the concourse past that gate and doesn't allow for segregation So to move a gate across which will take most builders I know a day or two work. Is losing the club up to £500k a year ?. Wow!. thought this day and age they could install a movable segregation fence in the concourse? |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Mar 1, 2024 12:55:26 GMT
All sounds good to me 👍 A new CEO would not be a bad thing in my eyes. i think that everyone is being harsh on Tom. Basically we have an owner who knows how to make people like him and has the authority to come in and promise things in a public meeting that will make him popular as it is his money he is spending . A CEO is an employee doing his best to run a business of defined guidelines provided by the strategic direction that the Board has taken - someone who is not there to make emotional feel good decisions and who is safeguarding other people's money. I suspect that things were said yesterday that left Tom biting his tongue and it was telling that when he talked about the progamme notes, no-one in authority stood up and explained why that was taken away from him. Tom did not blame any of the infrastructure problems until the owner mentioned them and that then meant that he could open up and admit things that previously may have remained unsaid. Dont get me wrong i am not complaining about what was a positive meeting simply because this does happen in open meetings like the one last night but it would be naieve to think that Tom Gorringe could be as open and forthcoming in a meeting like that as one of the owners. None of my thoughts are based on last night. My decision on him was made years ago and validated when the Al Saeeds were only just coming in through the doors. TGs strength is blowing his own trumpet and brainwashing others into believing his hubris. Maybe they chucked him under the bus. But has he run the club well? I don’t think so. If I’d have been in the Al Saeeds position I’d have gone further than clipping his wings. However I do understand keeping him around for transitions sake. |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 1, 2024 13:02:28 GMT
So to move a gate across which will take most builders I know a day or two work. Is losing the club up to £500k a year ?. Wow!. thought this day and age they could install a movable segregation fence in the concourse? Or just install another couple and open and close them when needed. |
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Post by peterparker on Mar 1, 2024 13:02:39 GMT
So to move a gate across which will take most builders I know a day or two work. Is losing the club up to £500k a year ?. Wow!. thought this day and age they could install a movable segregation fence in the concourse? whatever is done. having more than one gate or something else to act as segregation, you would have thought would have been thought of by someone wouldn't you. We build a stand to increase revenue, but have limited way to actually maximise it. great job |
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Post by Russgas on Mar 1, 2024 13:09:47 GMT
thought this day and age they could install a movable segregation fence in the concourse? Or just install another couple and open and close them when needed. Come on Yatton, that's way too much common sense for Rovers to understand.😲 |
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Post by gashead1981 on Mar 1, 2024 13:11:57 GMT
13 pitches were mentioned, because someone said 13 is an unlucky number and Abdullalatif jokingly said ok 11 then! I can't see the 13 pitches being full size. Why would we need them? Kids don't go to 11v11 until under 13s Can't see why would ever need more than: 2x 5 a side 2x 7 a side 2x 9 a side 7 x 11 a side for reference , Manchester City's training ground has 10 full size pitches, some of which are marked for smaller side formats. Liverpool's has 12. I chair a football club for 400 kids, we have 3 full size, 3 9v9, 2 7v7 and 2 5v5 Flipping heck...the 13 pitches was a joke, said tongue in cheek and theres no way you would get 13 pitches, a dome, a complex clubhouse and a load of housing on 30 acres of land. |
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