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Post by LJG on Apr 25, 2015 13:30:50 GMT
thing is the majority of people do not stop and thing is what im about to do legal or not , some do, i will never get my head around the point you keep making about the law ,everyone alive has broken one law or another in their lifetime, so in my opinion it's hypocritical for someone to say well that's illegal don't do it, others break the law and are fully aware that if they break the law they have to accept what will happen if caught, there are other laws on booze in football grounds, so if on the way in today a copper sniffed your breath smelt alcohol and arrested you for being drunk, how would you feel as technically you have broken the law. everyone responds to the law in different ways as i said what right for one isn't right for another,an example you may park with wheels on a kerb, someone will see it and want you hung drawn and quartered ,others will look and say fair play it allows other vehicles through on both sides. As an aside society isnt wired more dictated too by holier than though idiots in power, people have become conditioned to look for the wrong in everything others do Sorry I just don't get this 'everyone breaks the law so it's ok' thing. They don't. It's not. Also I don't know if you've been told something by a not-very-good copper at some point but seriously; being drunk in public is not an offence. I also don't get the thing about people interpret the law differently - how can you interpret 'on the pitch is illegal' in any other way? But the bigger point is nothing to do with law - the club could be fined or docked points by the Conference. That's the bottom line.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 13:32:03 GMT
I'm a tad worried - if things go our way today - about people going on the pitch during the game. I don't think a team has ever been docked points for fans celebrating at the end of the season, likewise I'm very doubtful there'd be many arrests/banning orders at all if everything was good natured.
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Post by tumshie on Apr 25, 2015 13:41:52 GMT
Social media is also something that helps FA and Police, as this thread demonstrates well - many fans are making everyone aware they are going on the pitch, that means it's premeditated. As i said earlier yes most teams get away with it last game/promotion etc, but our recent record is poor: Mansfield home game, Braintree away game, Dartford Home game, the Craig Stanley incident...we've been warned to our future conduct infinite times.
And one last thought, someone soon is gonna be the scapegoat to stop these incidents, whether you agree or disagree crowd safety is paramount to the Football Association and Police - lets make sure it isn't us that becomes the first to be punished to warn others.
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Post by inee on Apr 25, 2015 14:11:52 GMT
thing is the majority of people do not stop and thing is what im about to do legal or not , some do, i will never get my head around the point you keep making about the law ,everyone alive has broken one law or another in their lifetime, so in my opinion it's hypocritical for someone to say well that's illegal don't do it, others break the law and are fully aware that if they break the law they have to accept what will happen if caught, there are other laws on booze in football grounds, so if on the way in today a copper sniffed your breath smelt alcohol and arrested you for being drunk, how would you feel as technically you have broken the law. everyone responds to the law in different ways as i said what right for one isn't right for another,an example you may park with wheels on a kerb, someone will see it and want you hung drawn and quartered ,others will look and say fair play it allows other vehicles through on both sides. As an aside society isnt wired more dictated too by holier than though idiots in power, people have become conditioned to look for the wrong in everything others do Sorry I just don't get this 'everyone breaks the law so it's ok' thing. They don't. It's not. Also I don't know if you've been told something by a not-very-good copper at some point but seriously; being drunk in public is not an offence. I also don't get the thing about people interpret the law differently - how can you interpret 'on the pitch is illegal' in any other way? But the bigger point is nothing to do with law - the club could be fined or docked points by the Conference. That's the bottom line. how many time have you seen a pig sniff someone then arrest em, cant remember the exact offence but its one of those bollocks things like going on the pitch to celebrate, likewise i dont get this i've never broken the law thing, it's easy to sit and say no i have never broken or stretched a law to its limits of legality, everyone has at one time or another broken a law what i said was it would be hypocritical to comment on someone breaking a law when you yourself have broken some in the past, in a previous period of time have you never knocked off early from work without permission, thrown a sickie, played truant, raised your voice when drunk(drunk and disorderly) , had an argument with someone had a punch up etc. never once in your life crept more than 3 mph over a designated speed limit, parked slightly over a line, told a neighbour to f**k off, driven a car with a bad tyre ,noisey exhaust, forgot a car was out of ticket or tax etc
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Post by tumshie on Apr 25, 2015 14:18:53 GMT
Using the word "Pig" does you no credit i'm afraid.
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Post by inee on Apr 25, 2015 14:21:49 GMT
Using the word "Pig" does you no credit i'm afraid. To be honest i hate coppers with a vengeance, i've never said any different, i also state they are the biggest organised crime syndicate in the world. If you want a love in with them thats your choice.
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Post by Dr Gas on Apr 25, 2015 19:55:39 GMT
Inee, I agree with almost every one of your posts but do have a different view on the legality of pitch invasions: I believe the fact that it is illegal is very important because it is the weight that opens up the option to dock points. From my previous posts, you will see that I do not condone pitch invasions; However, one huge weight off my mind is that we cannot be docked any points if there is an invasion after the play offs
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Post by lympstonegas on Apr 25, 2015 20:38:44 GMT
2 twats still thought it big to go on the pitch today though
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Apr 25, 2015 20:51:05 GMT
2 twats still thought it big to go on the pitch today though I didn't see any?
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Post by stigofthegas on Apr 25, 2015 20:55:16 GMT
The idiot count was definitely 2
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Post by inee on Apr 25, 2015 21:29:46 GMT
2 twats still thought it big to go on the pitch today though Only two coppers on the pitch ,nah sorry dont believe that
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Post by empirebaypete on Apr 25, 2015 22:52:54 GMT
So, Barnet fans had a pitch invasion. Will they be docked points?
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Post by supergas on Apr 25, 2015 23:54:45 GMT
I personally don't care, but it's AGAINST THE LAW which is the point. Plus the club have asked people not to, and the Conference don't want people to. So the legal authorities, the owners of the venue and the owners of the competition we participate in don't want fans on the pitch. Why go on...? PLUS there is another group that won't want fans on the pitch...the players. Who wants an autograph? You won't get one if the players are effectively chased off the pitch at full time. Who wants a selfie with your favourite Rovers player? Well they will probably come up to the edge of the stand if all the fans stay inside it, but if there's 1000s of people on the pitch they'll be 'hiding' in the dressing room... Lap of honour? Those stupid group slides towards the home end? None of that happens if there is a pitch invasion. Not to mention it's really disrespectful to the Alfreton players who have just lost 6-0... Quick question as i have to ask, how do people like yourself get through life without breaking any law in this land, i find it impossible to believe, sorry it's one of those things that niggles away at me when people say it's against the law having at sometime brokes a law of some kind themselves I break the law all the time. I speed, I occasionally wee in public, I have been known to partake in illegal drugs very occasionally. When I was younger, I did other things I'm not going to list now. What I've never done is defend preparing to do them in public, claim "it's OK because loads of other people have done it before and loads will be doing it at the same time" and then commit a crime feeling somehow liberated that I'm breaking the law. BTW, I was *so* close with the score prediction...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 7:54:01 GMT
Sorry I just don't get this 'everyone breaks the law so it's ok' thing. They don't. It's not. Also I don't know if you've been told something by a not-very-good copper at some point but seriously; being drunk in public is not an offence. I also don't get the thing about people interpret the law differently - how can you interpret 'on the pitch is illegal' in any other way? But the bigger point is nothing to do with law - the club could be fined or docked points by the Conference. That's the bottom line. how many time have you seen a pig sniff someone then arrest em, cant remember the exact offence but its one of those bollocks things like going on the pitch to celebrate, likewise i dont get this i've never broken the law thing, it's easy to sit and say no i have never broken or stretched a law to its limits of legality, everyone has at one time or another broken a law what i said was it would be hypocritical to comment on someone breaking a law when you yourself have broken some in the past, in a previous period of time have you never knocked off early from work without permission, thrown a sickie, played truant, raised your voice when drunk(drunk and disorderly) , had an argument with someone had a punch up etc. never once in your life crept more than 3 mph over a designated speed limit, parked slightly over a line, told a neighbour to feck off, driven a car with a bad tyre ,noisey exhaust, forgot a car was out of ticket or tax etc The problem is one of justice and fairness rather than law though isn't it? If I get arrested for being drunk then its only me I affect and I get punished. If I punch you in the face then I get punished and you get direct justice from my punishment. I have 3 points and had to pay 100 quid last year for doing 34mph in a 30 zone. Can't complain. In the case of a pitch invasion (given all the previous warnings THIS season) the punishment could be handed out to a totally innocent party ie The Club and not just the person committing the offense. I don't see how that equates to a love in with cops. I see it as a love in for BRFC.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 26, 2015 8:07:24 GMT
I'm in the minority who thought it was far better to applaud the players yesterday from the stands, than see them chased off into the changing rooms?
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Post by seanclevedongas on Apr 26, 2015 8:22:13 GMT
I'm in the minority who thought it was far better to applaud the players yesterday from the stands, than see them chased off into the changing rooms? No yesterday was perfect apart from a couple of numpties who couldn't control themselves
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Post by tumshie on Apr 26, 2015 9:28:53 GMT
how many time have you seen a pig sniff someone then arrest em, cant remember the exact offence but its one of those bollocks things like going on the pitch to celebrate, likewise i dont get this i've never broken the law thing, it's easy to sit and say no i have never broken or stretched a law to its limits of legality, everyone has at one time or another broken a law what i said was it would be hypocritical to comment on someone breaking a law when you yourself have broken some in the past, in a previous period of time have you never knocked off early from work without permission, thrown a sickie, played truant, raised your voice when drunk(drunk and disorderly) , had an argument with someone had a punch up etc. never once in your life crept more than 3 mph over a designated speed limit, parked slightly over a line, told a neighbour to feck off, driven a car with a bad tyre ,noisey exhaust, forgot a car was out of ticket or tax etc The problem is one of justice and fairness rather than law though isn't it? If I get arrested for being drunk then its only me I affect and I get punished. If I punch you in the face then I get punished and you get direct justice from my punishment. I have 3 points and had to pay 100 quid last year for doing 34mph in a 30 zone. Can't complain. In the case of a pitch invasion (given all the previous warnings THIS season) the punishment could be handed out to a totally innocent party ie The Club and not just the person committing the offense. I don't see how that equates to a love in with cops. I see it as a love in for BRFC. Well said. And for the record you don't have to have a love in with the Police to appreciate 99% of them do a cracking job and a thankless task protecting and serving decent people.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 9:42:38 GMT
I'm in the minority who thought it was far better to applaud the players yesterday from the stands, than see them chased off into the changing rooms? Just wish that they'd ventured a bit closer to the Tent, as my eyesight isn't that great!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 13:17:59 GMT
I'm in the minority who thought it was far better to applaud the players yesterday from the stands, than see them chased off into the changing rooms? Just wish that they'd ventured a bit closer to the Tent, as my eyesight isn't that great! To be honest that watered me off a bit. The fans were impeccable yesterday but once again the South Stand was ignored by all but one player. Mansell came down to us but the rest went to the other 3 sides before heading down the tunnel.
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Post by inee on Apr 26, 2015 16:43:49 GMT
Just wish that they'd ventured a bit closer to the Tent, as my eyesight isn't that great! To be honest that watered me off a bit. The fans were impeccable yesterday but once again the South Stand was ignored by all but one player. Mansell came down to us but the rest went to the other 3 sides before heading down the tunnel. should have walked a bit closer on the pitch then
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