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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 15:38:59 GMT
Report on Rovers web site for day 2. The judge deciding the fate of Bristol's Memorial Stadium site today told the High Court she was pleased to hear of Rovers' promotion. Proudman is a Gashead! Proudman is a Gashead! La la la laa
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Post by ThisCharmingMan on May 18, 2015 15:43:32 GMT
The judge deciding the fate of Bristol's Memorial Stadium site today told the High Court she was pleased to hear of Rovers' promotion. Proudman is a Gashead! Proudman is a Gashead! La la la laa She sounds like me yesterday, a very Proud Man!
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Post by Topper Gas on May 18, 2015 15:52:33 GMT
Surely these comments aren't helping thier case?
Mr Matthias then asked if Sainsbury's board members were 'pleased' with the outcome.
Mr Templeman said: "In the context of the commercial situation, if that meant we did not have to complete the purchase of the site, given what I said earlier about the expected return on investment, then yes, that was a positive outcome."
Bizarre Templeman's is freely admitting Sainsbury's were "pleased" they didn't get the delivery hours agreed, then Rovers managed to get them later!
Surely Proudman will see Sainsbury's had no interest in getting full pp before the contract lapsed??
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Post by aghast on May 18, 2015 16:24:09 GMT
Mrs Justice Proudman, who is hearing the dispute between the club and Sainsbury's, said: "Good", when told of yesterday's triumph over Grimsby Town. David Matthias QC, representing the club, told the judge of the historic win. I would have felt a bit more confident that she understands how much all this means to us if she had replied: "I am aware of that, Mr Matthias".
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Post by Antonio Fargas on May 18, 2015 16:26:38 GMT
Mrs Justice Proudman, who is hearing the dispute between the club and Sainsbury's, said: "Good", when told of yesterday's triumph over Grimsby Town. David Matthias QC, representing the club, told the judge of the historic win. I would have felt a bit more confident that she understands how much all this means to us if she had replied: "I am aware of that, Mr Matthias". I'm a bit concerned she didn't lead the court in a chorus of Goodnight Irene.
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Post by peterparker on May 18, 2015 16:26:54 GMT
Mrs Justice Proudman, who is hearing the dispute between the club and Sainsbury's, said: "Good", when told of yesterday's triumph over Grimsby Town. David Matthias QC, representing the club, told the judge of the historic win. I would have felt a bit more confident that she understands how much all this means to us if she had replied: "I am aware of that, Mr Matthias". To be honest, it should be irrelevant
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 16:55:03 GMT
I would have felt a bit more confident that she understands how much all this means to us if she had replied: "I am aware of that, Mr Matthias". To be honest, it should be irrelevant It is and I expect her response lacked sincerity.
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Post by gasincider on May 18, 2015 17:51:51 GMT
Severncider will be posting his report in the next hour.
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Post by Severncider on May 18, 2015 19:22:32 GMT
Todays hearing opened with BRFC barrister announcing that the club was promoted back to the football league yesterday, to be honest I do think it made and impression on the Judge or even if she understood the information. Our legal team stated by confirming that over the weekend more information had been found from the period 2011/12. The Judge said the case must finish on Friday and then she is straight into a new case leaving her little time to review the evidence. Chris Templeton of Sainsbury resumed being questioned from Friday. The wording “loss of appetite” was mentioned several times with regard to publicity to counteract adverse publicity. It was confirmed that the delivery hours, which is the reason Sainsbury want to void the Contract was the same at The Mem as what was granted for Ashton Gate. Sainsbury agreed the delivery times granted met the terms of the Contract. BRFC said they would pay the £1.6m CIL charge PROVIDED Sainsbury accepted the terms of the planning permission. Sentences “work every edge to our benefit” and “keep costs to the minimum” were mentioned in documents from Sainsbury. Another quote was “the elephant in the room” regarding the Section 73 variation and “we need to slow things down and to “duck and dive” Sainsbury confirmed that they did not get involve in the JR as they did not feel it was their responsibility. BRFC barrister suggested that if Sainsbury really wanted to proceed they would have become involved. It was indicated that Bristol City Council supplied confidential information to Sainsbury with regard to the possibility the Section 73 may be refused and Sainsbury should have kept BRFC up to date of this. Chris Templeton (Sainsbury) confirmed that he was dealing with about 120 projects so could not know everything on all these projects. When the Section 73 was refused, Sainsbury Board were happy. Chris Templeton finished his questioning at 12.40. Ben Litman of Sainsbury dealt with the day to day matters of the Contract and he was next up to be questioned. He confirmed that he became aware of the Ashton Gate delivery hours they were prepared to accept 05.00 to 23.00 even though they wanted 05.00 to 24.00 at The Mem. LUNCH BREAK It was reconfirmed that BRFC paid out £400k in fees not knowing Sainsbury were to refuse to pay the £1.6m CIL payment. Willingham and Radice were mentioned along with a Tom Kennedy as objectors. A meeting was requested by Charlotte Leslie MP to discuss the problems with Ben Litman and Litman gained the impression that she did not know what a JR was. However, this was refuted as no evidence in subsequent emails letters could be found. It was confirmed that Sainsbury do not automatically get involved in JR’s or Section 73’s. Nick Higgs asked Sainsbury in Nov 013 if they still wished to proceed? BRFC indicated that building costs were increasing at UWE, £400k for plans and £400k for Buckingham group plans and BRFC did not want to commit funds unless Sainsbury were committed to scheme. Sainsbury said “they were committed under the terms of the Contract” but not in reality. Litman said “that in hindsight I could have advised BRFC we did not wish to proceed” END OF TODAYS PROCEEDINGS AT 16.20 It must be remembered that BRFC are trying to put Sainsbury in the worst possible way at this stage. Tomorrow Litman will resume giving evidence followed by two other people on behalf of Sainsbury, then if there is time Toni Watola will start his evidence, if there is not time, he will start on Tuesday.. I hope this conveys what went on, there could well be things omitted. Restart tomorrow at 10.30
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Post by mjhgas on May 18, 2015 19:29:59 GMT
Great write up! Interesting stuff.
Any impression that Sainsburys will throw the towel in or are we going the distance?
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Post by Antonio Fargas on May 18, 2015 19:32:12 GMT
Sainsbury said “they were committed under the terms of the Contract” but not in reality. Litman said “that in hindsight I could have advised BRFC we did not wish to proceed” Thanks for the report.
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Post by Severncider on May 18, 2015 19:36:59 GMT
When I posted my above report I was not aware of the report on the BRFC website.
As no-one else appeared to be taking notes I have no idea who prepared that report, was it NH.
It is best to read both reports in conjunction I'm sure they are in broad agreement.
As I have other things to do, further reports will not appear before 8pm each night.
I think it is going well but will be able to gauge better when Sainsbury legal council stats questing out representatives.
One thing I omitted was that Sainsbury barrister only asked Chris Templeton one question and I feel Sainsbury are not going to say a lot.
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Post by Severncider on May 18, 2015 19:38:50 GMT
Great write up! Interesting stuff. Any impression that Sainsburys will throw the towel in or are we going the distance? The simple answer is NO.
This will go on until Friday afternoon.
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Post by Quartermaster on May 18, 2015 19:42:02 GMT
Sainsbury said “they were committed under the terms of the Contract” but not in reality. Litman said “that in hindsight I could have advised BRFC we did not wish to proceed”] That sounds pretty damning to me! Thanks for the updates severncider!
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Post by Severncider on May 18, 2015 20:00:36 GMT
Sainsbury said “they were committed under the terms of the Contract” but not in reality. Litman said “that in hindsight I could have advised BRFC we did not wish to proceed”] That sounds pretty damning to me! Thanks for the updates severncider! I agree but we have to remember that it is a question of does that have a bearing on the Contract drawn up.
One thing some people are overlooking is that none of us know what the Contract terms and conditions are. There are many Gasheads who think they know, but in reality do not have a clue I'm sorry to say.
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Post by Quartermaster on May 18, 2015 20:06:41 GMT
That sounds pretty damning to me! Thanks for the updates severncider! I agree but we have to remember that it is a question of does that have a bearing on the Contract drawn up.
One thing some people are overlooking is that none of us know what the Contract terms and conditions are. There are many Gasheads who think they know, but in reality do not have a clue I'm sorry to say.
Fair point. All we know of the contract is its Byzantine-esque complexity!
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Post by Topper Gas on May 18, 2015 20:17:51 GMT
Brilliant work again Severncider, it's sounding at worse we'll get some compensation, it's odd Sainsbury's are freely admitting they didn't assist with the JR etc was there any mention the contract included the suggestion that Sainsbury's should carry out "reasonable endeavours" to get PP?
I guess the club's legal team maybe producing the Internet reports as I assume they would have to approve anything published in any event.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 20:27:37 GMT
Sainsbury agreed the delivery times granted met the terms of the Contract. Woah.
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Post by Severncider on May 18, 2015 20:35:09 GMT
Brilliant work again Severncider, it's sounding at worse we'll get some compensation, it's odd Sainsbury's are freely admitting they didn't assist with the JR etc was there any mention the contract included the suggestion that Sainsbury's should carry out "reasonable endeavours" to get PP? I guess the club's legal team maybe producing the Internet reports as I assume they would have to approve anything published in any event. That does give me some concern sending my reports, especially on a public forum.
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Post by peterparker on May 18, 2015 20:36:25 GMT
When I posted my above report I was not aware of the report on the BRFC website. As no-one else appeared to be taking notes I have no idea who prepared that report, was it NH. It is best to read both reports in conjunction I'm sure they are in broad agreement. As I have other things to do, further reports will not appear before 8pm each night. I think it is going well but will be able to gauge better when Sainsbury legal council stats questing out representatives. One thing I omitted was that Sainsbury barrister only asked Chris Templeton one question and I feel Sainsbury are not going to say a lot. Sainsburys probably have nothing to gain questioning their own people, only to contest a point made by our QC. Will be interesting when they go in to bat and how they will attack Rovers. On the face of it so far, sainsburys seem to clearly be showing bad faith, so you imagine this would have been expected and prepared for to an extent. On that basis they must be confident when it is their turn, otherwise it seems a bit foolish so far to have got this far
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