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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 12:21:20 GMT
The only way for fans to take control would be if the club was in financial trouble and we were to buy it for a nominal fee.
For us fans to buy out our directors now, we'd probably have as much chance as the disgruntled man utd fans had of buying their club from the Galzers!
Even if we had some rich backers, why would they invest with us when they can have the club to themselves?
Fan ownership would be great, but basically the only way is to start from ZERO.
If there was a kickstarter or gofundme for raising the cash I think it'd struggle to hit 200k
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Post by gashead1981 on Jul 15, 2015 12:31:14 GMT
To oust the board you will need at minimum to be able to repay the directors loans/buy their converted shares, plus the asset value of the club including all property and property with planning permission and give yourself at least a £5m working capital margin.
Bottom line is you will need at least £15m. £10m to secure the club and £5m to run it in the way you think it should be run. You also need to have already in place a 12 month strategy to get the club to break even as you will be surprised how quickly that £5m will dry up when you dont.
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Post by markczgas on Jul 15, 2015 12:34:17 GMT
To oust the board you will need at minimum to be able to repay the directors loans/buy their converted shares, plus the asset value of the club including all property and property with planning permission and give yourself at least a £5m working capital margin. Bottom line is you will need at least £15m. £10m to secure the club and £5m to run it in the way you think it should be run. You also need to have already in place a 12 month strategy to get the club to break even as you will be surprised how quickly that £5m will dry up when you dont. Hi, You might be right with these figures but it hasn't stopped clubs like Pompey, Blackpool and Newport doing exactly the same. This might not be viable, BUT what if it is ? .......... from small acorns !!
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Post by markczgas on Jul 15, 2015 12:36:06 GMT
I see Blackpool fans are trying to buy the club for £16M, not sure Rovers will be that high, half maybe? Exactly !!
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Post by markczgas on Jul 15, 2015 12:41:14 GMT
Mark, I take my hat off to you and also fully support you. I would put in £1000 to start with and would attend meetings etc. The club is run by idiots who after the latest failure, cannot be left unchallenged. Sadly, apathy does rule, I've been genuinely disturbed this week reading comments such as 'NH is not to blame', 'we don't need a new ground', 'doesn't matter' etc etc that I really do question whether there is enough will to make a stand. Fully behind it though. Thank you. People need to consider this carefully. I intend to listen and read responses over the next few days, but OVERALL I feel we supporters need to act, try a new avenue for our current predicament. Be open-minded, be positive and give it a GO !!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 12:56:09 GMT
What actually happened with fan attempts to get involved with the running of the club? I'm not au fait with Rovers history before 2012. I understand they were knocked back but could anyone describe these attempts in detail?
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 15, 2015 13:07:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 13:09:37 GMT
Hmm. I'm always hearing about people having their offers to help "rebuffed". Thanks for the link.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 13:17:21 GMT
Entelechy is the key. There is a growing number of good ideas and the potential is there somewhere, but it needs to come together in a realistic fashion.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 13:22:25 GMT
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Post by Staffordshire Gas on Jul 15, 2015 14:03:25 GMT
My village club play in Div 2 of the North West Counties League run by a committee who have sections dealing with grant applications,ground improvements,social functions,youth outreach,match day programme ,catering etc.often visit when Gas playing too far away for me but always impressed how organised they are for crowds of about 100. When Rovers entered the abyss we laid several staff off but not sure if we have taken them back on.Always felt we are run like a tin pot outfit and Mark's frustration at our less than competent board is quite understandable.Just wish my local committee ran the Gas.They have ambition,dedication and boundless enthusiasm.After all,Morecambe,ShrewsburyWalsall, are all smaller than us crowd wise but very well run and have neat modern stadiums appropriate to their needs. Understand,Marks frustration totally.Years ago Geoff Dunford told me at an Open Day ,they were extending the Dribuild the whole length of the pitch and along the tent end.Nothing happened.Then we were told to choose our season ticket seats at Cheltenham for a two season stay whilst the Mem was re-developed.The more astute realised that as no contractors were in place and that the Mem hadn't been demolished to make way for the new build,that the promises were disingenuous. At 69 ,probably won't happen in my time now.Our board do their best but mediocrity has always been always been our trademark.New Broom required but sadly we are stuck with what wev'e got.Thanks Mark for bringing it into the open though.Port Vale near me were in a similar position not long ago and went into administration but fought back and now play at a higher level than us so there's always hope.When we played Huddersfield in the play off final at Wembley we were based at Twerton.An old boy of nearly 80 said on the Radio that if we made it ,the club had been told that Twerton wouldn't be acceptable for the Championship( Div 2 then).'Don't keep talking about getting a proper ground',he said,'Do it.'
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Post by tumshie on Jul 15, 2015 14:08:14 GMT
I have sympathy for the OP but as said on here APATHY rules at Rovers sorry but our fans like to turn up watch games /moan a bit but very few get off their asses and really make a difference i include myself in that
Lots of hot air on forums/faceache/twitter etc but no real substance and any time people suggest rallying it just doesn't happen i hate to say it but we've got what we deserve a basement division club run badly, sadly a fans initiative won't come to anything just as any proper protest against Sainsbury's won't
Sad times !! UTG
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Post by Thegasaregoingup on Jul 15, 2015 14:22:02 GMT
What a hair-brained idea! Obviously fed up with blaming Higgs, who are you going to blame when this goes down the plug hole as it surely will. All the same people moaned at the Dunsfords but they saved this wonderful club from oblivion. Now it's Higgs and co! 100% backing from everyone is what we need not a bunch of whingers.
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Post by tumshie on Jul 15, 2015 14:24:59 GMT
What a hair-brained idea! Obviously fed up with blaming Higgs, who are you going to blame when this goes down the plug hole as it surely will. All the same people moaned at the Dunsfords but they saved this wonderful club from oblivion. Now it's Higgs and co! 100% backing from everyone is what we need not a bunch of whingers. With respect we've done the 100% backing for years and still "end up down the plug hole" sorry but the last seven years financially we have been run like a fool hardy speculator we can respect the board but we do need to wake the feck up too!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 15:11:21 GMT
FWIW Mark, if there is an initiative I'll get behind it with all the time I can donate but I don't have very much money. Its gotta be more than sack the board as a vision though.
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Post by lpgas on Jul 15, 2015 15:11:35 GMT
We cannot even agree on what should be the run out song, so a no from me. All these schemes fail in the end
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Post by lpgas on Jul 15, 2015 15:12:38 GMT
We cannot even agree on what should be the run out song, so a no from me. All these schemes fail in the end
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Post by markczgas on Jul 15, 2015 15:16:26 GMT
FWIW Mark, if there is an initiative I'll get behind it with all the time I can donate but I don't have very much money. Its gotta be more than sack the board as a vision though. Thanks for this. A goal to buy out the owners - that should be the ultimate one ! but things may turn out slightly differently - as long as the future of Rovers becomes better as a result ! I believe 100% it can be.
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Post by RD on Jul 15, 2015 15:44:48 GMT
FWIW Mark, if there is an initiative I'll get behind it with all the time I can donate but I don't have very much money. Its gotta be more than sack the board as a vision though. Thanks for this. A goal to buy out the owners - that should be the ultimate one ! but things may turn out slightly differently - as long as the future of Rovers becomes better as a result ! I believe 100% it can be. If that's your goal then it's an astronomical sized no from me. What happens when you buy them out? The ultimate goal should not be getting rid of the BoD. An ultimate goal would be something like having a fan-owned club, running within it's means (i.e. cost-effective), with a clear idea on how to achieve that including things such as improved marketing and improving revenue streams. If the goal is simply "get rid of the current BoD" then I pray to god your plan fails as this club will be far, FAR worse off than however much it is now!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 16:35:59 GMT
Thanks for this. A goal to buy out the owners - that should be the ultimate one ! but things may turn out slightly differently - as long as the future of Rovers becomes better as a result ! I believe 100% it can be. If that's your goal then it's an astronomical sized no from me. What happens when you buy them out? The ultimate goal should not be getting rid of the BoD. An ultimate goal would be something like having a fan-owned club, running within it's means (i.e. cost-effective), with a clear idea on how to achieve that including things such as improved marketing and improving revenue streams. If the goal is simply "get rid of the current BoD" then I pray to god your plan fails as this club will be far, FAR worse off than however much it is now! Absolutely. The motivation seems pretty clear to me. I'm out.
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