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Post by gasincider on Sept 16, 2015 7:44:33 GMT
It seems fairly certain that our glorious leaders alternative plan is to build a greatly slimmed down version of the original plan for UWE.
But what use is it to us? Our biggest asset is that we are from a big city ( sorry about the word) and therefore have the ability to attract large crowds if we become successful.
If we are restricted to a potential capacity of 12-15,000, it means we will never be able to generate the funds to secure and sustain football in the higher divisions, and therefore condemn us to remaining forever in league 1, league 2 or, god forbid, the non leagues AGAIN.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Sept 16, 2015 7:47:54 GMT
But is there effectively any difference between pretending to be building a big stadium, even though we're staying in our sh**, small stadium, and not pretending to be building a big stadium while staying in our sh**, small stadium?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 8:01:31 GMT
It seems fairly certain that our glorious leaders alternative plan is to build a greatly slimmed down version of the original plan for UWE. But what use is it to us? Our biggest asset is that we are from a big city ( sorry about the word) and therefore have the ability to attract large crowds if we become successful. If we are restricted to a potential capacity of 12-15,000, it means we will never be able to generate the funds to secure and sustain football in the higher divisions, and therefore condemn us to remaining forever in league 1, league 2 or, god forbid, the non leagues AGAIN. If that is the plan then it would make some sense in that it would be adequate for our present position and could be expanded when we became succesfull. The capacity is not the whole reason to move we need the stadium and facilities to generate income on non match days. |
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Post by CheshireGas on Sept 16, 2015 8:07:00 GMT
The plan was always to have a stadium that could be enlarged.
We don't need a 22,000 stadium at present, so I am sure 15,000 with capacity to grow would be fine.
By the way I have seen a copy of Plan B ~
Win Sainsbury case ~ crowds go up to 8,000 on back of victory
Build stadium and win League Two ~ crowds grow to 10,000
Win League One ~ crowds go up to 15,000
Extend stadium and win Championship ~ crowds go up to 20,000
Extend stadium again and win Premiership ~ crowds go up to 30,000 ~ get knighthood for services to Bristol sport...
Extend stadium again and win Champions League ~ crowds go up to 40,000 ~ made a saint and show Pope how to walk on water
Simples
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Post by tommym9 on Sept 16, 2015 8:11:23 GMT
It seems fairly certain that our glorious leaders alternative plan is to build a greatly slimmed down version of the original plan for UWE. But what use is it to us? Our biggest asset is that we are from a big city ( sorry about the word) and therefore have the ability to attract large crowds if we become successful. If we are restricted to a potential capacity of 12-15,000, it means we will never be able to generate the funds to secure and sustain football in the higher divisions, and therefore condemn us to remaining forever in league 1, league 2 or, god forbid, the non leagues AGAIN. If we can rarely fill a 12,000 seater then a modern 15,000 seater with facilities that the club can hire out outside of match days sounds good to me. Plus Yeovil got to the championship with a capacity of 8,000 which they rarely filled which shows it's not all about funds! |
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Sept 16, 2015 8:16:30 GMT
It seems fairly certain that our glorious leaders alternative plan is to build a greatly slimmed down version of the original plan for UWE. But what use is it to us? Our biggest asset is that we are from a big city ( sorry about the word) and therefore have the ability to attract large crowds if we become successful. If we are restricted to a potential capacity of 12-15,000, it means we will never be able to generate the funds to secure and sustain football in the higher divisions, and therefore condemn us to remaining forever in league 1, league 2 or, god forbid, the non leagues AGAIN. MK Dons didn't finish their stadium for some time but it didn't seem to do them any harm. |
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Sept 16, 2015 9:19:09 GMT
It seems fairly certain that our glorious leaders alternative plan is to build a greatly slimmed down version of the original plan for UWE. But what use is it to us? Our biggest asset is that we are from a big city ( sorry about the word) and therefore have the ability to attract large crowds if we become successful. If we are restricted to a potential capacity of 12-15,000, it means we will never be able to generate the funds to secure and sustain football in the higher divisions, and therefore condemn us to remaining forever in league 1, league 2 or, god forbid, the non leagues AGAIN. Think you're spot on mate and i'm very concerned for our long term future |
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Post by gasincider on Sept 16, 2015 9:22:01 GMT
You seem to assume that the stadium can be extended when required. Are you so sure? I think we all know that what goes up is all we would get. Hence condemned to remain a small club. It would also reduce potential for large numbers at concerts etc
With regard to MK Dons they realised it was cheaper to build the full stadium they wanted straight off. All it was left needing was additional seating when required. The structure is already there.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 16, 2015 9:39:34 GMT
It seems fairly certain that our glorious leaders alternative plan is to build a greatly slimmed down version of the original plan for UWE. But what use is it to us? Our biggest asset is that we are from a big city ( sorry about the word) and therefore have the ability to attract large crowds if we become successful. If we are restricted to a potential capacity of 12-15,000, it means we will never be able to generate the funds to secure and sustain football in the higher divisions, and therefore condemn us to remaining forever in league 1, league 2 or, god forbid, the non leagues AGAIN. Bournemouth fc are doing ok on 11,000 stadium |
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Post by gascooker on Sept 16, 2015 9:41:16 GMT
It seems fairly certain that our glorious leaders alternative plan is to build a greatly slimmed down version of the original plan for UWE. But what use is it to us? Our biggest asset is that we are from a big city ( sorry about the word) and therefore have the ability to attract large crowds if we become successful. If we are restricted to a potential capacity of 12-15,000, it means we will never be able to generate the funds to secure and sustain football in the higher divisions, and therefore condemn us to remaining forever in league 1, league 2 or, god forbid, the non leagues AGAIN. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 9:57:58 GMT
You seem to assume that the stadium can be extended when required. Are you so sure? I think we all know that what goes up is all we would get. Hence condemned to remain a small club. It would also reduce potential for large numbers at concerts etc With regard to MK Dons they realised it was cheaper to build the full stadium they wanted straight off. All it was left needing was additional seating when required. The structure is already there. I don't think it's an assumption the stadium could be extended I'm sure it could. What you are saying is that you don't think we will hence we will always be small. That is your view and it could turn out to be so, however I don't think you can speak for all of us. |
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Post by tommym9 on Sept 16, 2015 10:03:09 GMT
If it's cheaper in the long run to build big from the start I'm all for it, but we have to cut our cloth accordingly if the Sainsbury's appeal doesn't work out unfortunately.
I think 15,000 is plenty for the foreseeable future as to pack that out week in week out we would need to be in the Championship which doesn't look too likely at the moment.
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Post by Smithy Gas on Sept 16, 2015 10:08:27 GMT
But if you are going to be cutting back on costs, you are going to get the biggest savings in the groundworks and superstructure. The original plans could extend capacity because these elements would be futureproofed and built in at the start. It would still need to be the case for the same flexibility of a reduced capacity stadium, but I fear this will be one of the first things removed if you are stripping costs.
However, a small capacity to start that could be extended up to 21K eventually, wouldn't be the end of the world for where we are now - plenty of clubs in the higher leagues at that capacity. Just means the 35K stadium expansion for when we won the Champions League would bite the dust.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 16, 2015 10:13:04 GMT
TBH I always thought it madness to build a 22,000 seat staduim when we hardly ever sell out a 11,000 one at present and the chances of us doing so in even 5 years seems remote. Personally I'd sooner watch Rovers at two thirds full 15,000 capacity staduim than a less than half full 22,000 capacity staduim.
The only issue now though is will whoever is financing the staduim inc plans for a future expansion/even allow such an expansion in the future.
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Post by Gastafari on Sept 16, 2015 10:17:06 GMT
It seems fairly certain that our glorious leaders alternative plan is to build a greatly slimmed down version of the original plan for UWE. But what use is it to us? Our biggest asset is that we are from a big city ( sorry about the word) and therefore have the ability to attract large crowds if we become successful. If we are restricted to a potential capacity of 12-15,000, it means we will never be able to generate the funds to secure and sustain football in the higher divisions, and therefore condemn us to remaining forever in league 1, league 2 or, god forbid, the non leagues AGAIN. Bournemouth fc are doing ok on 11,000 stadium They are also owned by a Russian billionaire which helps |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 16, 2015 10:19:52 GMT
Bournemouth fc are doing ok on 11,000 stadium They are also owned by a Russian billionaire which helps Ours will be an American Billionaire |
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Post by pucklegas on Sept 16, 2015 10:22:52 GMT
They are also owned by a Russian billionaire which helps Ours will be an American Billionaire Frasier ain't a billionaire! |
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Post by kruger on Sept 16, 2015 10:25:03 GMT
There is so much sh** put about this forum, why don't you just wait and see what happens before making your own mind up. Ask your self this could you do a better job than Higgs I know I couldn't
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Post by gasincider on Sept 16, 2015 10:45:06 GMT
If I had his money I could. You probably could too if you think about it. What I am saying is that if we don't get the stadium based on the spec already agreed, it's doubtful it would ever happen thus the reason for the thread name.
Think about it, we would need more planning permission, a new agreement with UWE to allow it, (it's their land remember) and it would show ambition.
What I find staggering is how many people are prepared to accept second best. We had, and possibly could again get permission to make the Mem an18000 capacity stadium. Why are we so beaten down that we will now accept even less?
I assume if the plan B is for a 10000 seat stadium you will again be happy with that.
Who will own it? Us? Remember that we have no money.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 10:57:48 GMT
If I had his money I could. You probably could too if you think about it. What I am saying is that if we don't get the stadium based on the spec already agreed, it's doubtful it would ever happen thus the reason for the thread name. Think about it, we would need more planning permission, a new agreement with UWE to allow it, (it's their land remember) and it would show ambition. What I find staggering is how many people are prepared to accept second best. We had, and possibly could again get permission to make the Mem an18000 capacity stadium. Why are we so beaten down that we will now accept even less? I assume if the plan B is for a 10000 seat stadium you will again be happy with that. Who will own it? Us? Remember that we have no money. "Who will own it? Us? Remember that we have no money." I suspect if we do end up with plan b it'll be us selling The Mem for housing & the proceeds of the sale will help towards the smaller ground. |
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