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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 9:58:28 GMT
The players aren't the only ones they try and bully or manipulate. His comment about Nick Higgs may be true but it would be interesting to know why Higgs did not return his call. Football officials and Board members generally ( and I am not just talking about Rovers ) cant compete with the ability that certain managers have to manipulate the press by selectively leaking tales to enhance their own reputation and standing with the fans. It eventually rebounds on them however Nail on the head, Phillistine. Lots of younger Rovers fans revere Bobby Gould but he was an arch manipulator in this respect. You look at his record with the clubs he managed, plus Wales, and you'll find it's pretty poor, but boy could he talk a good game and get the media on his side. Nick, Out if interest, what age group are you alluding to when you say " lots of younger fans" please ? I have heard nothing but bad stuff about Bobby Goukd from younger fans and those have had stories passed into then from older fans who remember Gould leaving us the first time around who feel he was a Judas. There are always two sides to every story. I have heard both sides. If you contacted Gould, I am sure he would be open to an interview. I think many would be very interested in what he has to say. BTW, I am not looking to start an argument here. I just think that many would be very surprised, if not shocked, were they to know what went on behind the scenes. I also think you would thoroughly enjoy talking with Bobby. I think history will show him to have had a pivotal role in saving us as a club in those dark first seasons at Twerton. We may not have placed well but we survived and a major part of that was down to Goulds use of YTS and the ability to source players from non league and even the downs.
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Post by buckrippers on Jul 18, 2014 10:19:43 GMT
Nail on the head, Phillistine. Lots of younger Rovers fans revere Bobby Gould but he was an arch manipulator in this respect. You look at his record with the clubs he managed, plus Wales, and you'll find it's pretty poor, but boy could he talk a good game and get the media on his side. Nick, Out if interest, what age group are you alluding to when you say " lots of younger fans" please ? I have heard nothing but bad stuff about Bobby Goukd from younger fans and those have had stories passed into then from older fans who remember Gould leaving us the first time around who feel he was a Judas. There are always two sides to every story. I have heard both sides. If you contacted Gould, I am sure he would be open to an interview. I think many would be very interested in what he has to say. BTW, I am not looking to start an argument here. I just think that many would be very surprised, if not shocked, were they to know what went on behind the scenes. I also think you would thoroughly enjoy talking with Bobby. I think history will show him to have had a pivotal role in saving us as a club in those dark first seasons at Twerton. We may not have placed well but we survived and a major part of that was down to Goulds use of YTS and the ability to source players from non league and even the downs. Tbh Jules I have spoken to Bobby plenty of times while he was manager of Cardiff and Wales. A very amiable and approachable guy who never turns down an interview. But that's the point I'm making. Listen to Bobby talk and you would think he was a true saviour, but there are two sides to the coin and while I know he brought in people from the Downs etc, it would probably be more beneficial to speak to other club officials around that time. I think he probably made sacrifices for the benefit of the first team (ie Hambrook training ground) but my memory is very hazy on this point. When I talk about younger fans I mean the ones who weren't around at the time who have since heard him talk on TV and think what a wonderful bloke he is. I admit I was one of those who held it against him when he walked out for Coventry - now I'm older I think that's probably wrong. But there are plenty of Wales and Cardiff City fans who haven't got a good word for him. Having worked in Wales and sat in on his press conferences he said everything his bosses the FA of Wales wanted to hear, like claiming the Welsh Premier League was of a high standard when it blatantly wasn't. He also did things like made a joke out of Wales losing 7-1 at Holland, coming in wearing a Max Wall wig with 7-1 written on it, when a lot of Wales fans were hurting greatly over the result. Imagine a Rovers manager doing that after a heavy defeat?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 11:48:39 GMT
Nick, Out if interest, what age group are you alluding to when you say " lots of younger fans" please ? I have heard nothing but bad stuff about Bobby Goukd from younger fans and those have had stories passed into then from older fans who remember Gould leaving us the first time around who feel he was a Judas. There are always two sides to every story. I have heard both sides. If you contacted Gould, I am sure he would be open to an interview. I think many would be very interested in what he has to say. BTW, I am not looking to start an argument here. I just think that many would be very surprised, if not shocked, were they to know what went on behind the scenes. I also think you would thoroughly enjoy talking with Bobby. I think history will show him to have had a pivotal role in saving us as a club in those dark first seasons at Twerton. We may not have placed well but we survived and a major part of that was down to Goulds use of YTS and the ability to source players from non league and even the downs. Tbh Jules I have spoken to Bobby plenty of times while he was manager of Cardiff and Wales. A very amiable and approachable guy who never turns down an interview. But that's the point I'm making. Listen to Bobby talk and you would think he was a true saviour, but there are two sides to the coin and while I know he brought in people from the Downs etc, it would probably be more beneficial to speak to other club officials around that time. I think he probably made sacrifices for the benefit of the first team (ie Hambrook training ground) but my memory is very hazy on this point. When I talk about younger fans I mean the ones who weren't around at the time who have since heard him talk on TV and think what a wonderful bloke he is. I admit I was one of those who held it against him when he walked out for Coventry - now I'm older I think that's probably wrong. But there are plenty of Wales and Cardiff City fans who haven't got a good word for him. Having worked in Wales and sat in on his press conferences he said everything his bosses the FA of Wales wanted to hear, like claiming the Welsh Premier League was of a high standard when it blatantly wasn't. He also did things like made a joke out of Wales losing 7-1 at Holland, coming in wearing a Max Wall wig with 7-1 written on it, when a lot of Wales fans were hurting greatly over the result. Imagine a Rovers manager doing that after a heavy defeat? Fair comment Nick, He did do some bizarre stuff and I think that fitted with the crazy gang remit at Wimbledon. Funny how we can all see things differently eh. I didn't know about the Wig pmsl. He must have been on the sauce
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Post by buckrippers on Jul 18, 2014 12:07:33 GMT
Tbh Jules I have spoken to Bobby plenty of times while he was manager of Cardiff and Wales. A very amiable and approachable guy who never turns down an interview. But that's the point I'm making. Listen to Bobby talk and you would think he was a true saviour, but there are two sides to the coin and while I know he brought in people from the Downs etc, it would probably be more beneficial to speak to other club officials around that time. I think he probably made sacrifices for the benefit of the first team (ie Hambrook training ground) but my memory is very hazy on this point. When I talk about younger fans I mean the ones who weren't around at the time who have since heard him talk on TV and think what a wonderful bloke he is. I admit I was one of those who held it against him when he walked out for Coventry - now I'm older I think that's probably wrong. But there are plenty of Wales and Cardiff City fans who haven't got a good word for him. Having worked in Wales and sat in on his press conferences he said everything his bosses the FA of Wales wanted to hear, like claiming the Welsh Premier League was of a high standard when it blatantly wasn't. He also did things like made a joke out of Wales losing 7-1 at Holland, coming in wearing a Max Wall wig with 7-1 written on it, when a lot of Wales fans were hurting greatly over the result. Imagine a Rovers manager doing that after a heavy defeat? Fair comment Nick, He did do some bizarre stuff and I think that fitted with the crazy gang remit at Wimbledon. Funny how we can all see things differently eh. I didn't know about the Wig pmsl. He must have been on the sauce That's because as soon as the photographers gathered to take a picture of him, he whipped it off and refused to pose. I guess he thought it would get the press o his side being lighthearted about such a heavy defeat, but the Welsh press aren't very forgiving (as the English press wouldn't be if one of our managers had made light of a shocking result in the same way). I just thought he'd completely lost his marbles!
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Post by phillistine on Jul 18, 2014 12:44:33 GMT
Fair comment Nick, He did do some bizarre stuff and I think that fitted with the crazy gang remit at Wimbledon. Funny how we can all see things differently eh. I didn't know about the Wig pmsl. He must have been on the sauce That's because as soon as the photographers gathered to take a picture of him, he whipped it off and refused to pose. I guess he thought it would get the press o his side being lighthearted about such a heavy defeat, but the Welsh press aren't very forgiving (as the English press wouldn't be if one of our managers had made light of a shocking result in the same way). I just thought he'd completely lost his marbles! Bobby came to the local football club to give out the prizes to the under11's . It was apparent that most of them had no idea who he was and so a small video was played showing him playing at Eastville and Arsenal in front of huge crowds and scoring important goals. Suddenly the kids saw him in a different light. He took time to pose with each of the children as they got their medals and he chatted freely with the mums and Dad's afterwards. He wasnt paid a penny- not even expenses - he obviously loves to be popular and in the limelight.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 12:58:54 GMT
That's because as soon as the photographers gathered to take a picture of him, he whipped it off and refused to pose. I guess he thought it would get the press o his side being lighthearted about such a heavy defeat, but the Welsh press aren't very forgiving (as the English press wouldn't be if one of our managers had made light of a shocking result in the same way). I just thought he'd completely lost his marbles! Bobby came to the local football club to give out the prizes to the under11's . It was apparent that most of them had no idea who he was and so a small video was played showing him playing at Eastville and Arsenal in front of huge crowds and scoring important goals. Suddenly the kids saw him in a different light. He took time to pose with each of the children as they got their medals and he chatted freely with the mums and Dad's afterwards. He wasnt paid a penny- not even expenses - he obviously loves to be popular and in the limelight. All joking apart, He does a lot with young sportsmen. He still attempts to play cricket and has turned up at Bath to hand out awards and do an impromptu after dinner talk. I have met him several times and had some very interesting talks with him but I will not repeat some of what was said as it was in confidence. I have always found him to be a real gent, a humble guy and a guy who is very approachable with no edge to him at all. I know he has regrets, I guess we all do after reaching a certain time in our lives. He can certainly hold a crowd and still has charisma. In all honesty, I do not have one bad word about him. I know, from talking with Gary Smart ( ex neighbour) that he was seen as a very tough manager. Gary was paid by the government while at Rovers, Gould utilised the YTS scheme. It did not sit well with many of those who were paid this way. They only topped the pay up with bonuses which were nothing like they are now. It's been my experience that those such as Gary did not view him well bit that the older players, most of them, held him in high regard. The one that made me angry was David Williams. When he took over from Gould he had us play some of the best football I had ever seen in my time going to games and I was positive we would be promoted the next season but he went to Norwich and the team was broken up with Mabbutt going to Spurs, Mickey Barrett passing and the rest is history. I though Williams would make it big but have not heard anything of him for a long time
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Post by buckrippers on Jul 18, 2014 13:22:22 GMT
Bobby came to the local football club to give out the prizes to the under11's . It was apparent that most of them had no idea who he was and so a small video was played showing him playing at Eastville and Arsenal in front of huge crowds and scoring important goals. Suddenly the kids saw him in a different light. He took time to pose with each of the children as they got their medals and he chatted freely with the mums and Dad's afterwards. He wasnt paid a penny- not even expenses - he obviously loves to be popular and in the limelight. All joking apart, He does a lot with young sportsmen. He still attempts to play cricket and has turned up at Bath to hand out awards and do an impromptu after dinner talk. I have met him several times and had some very interesting talks with him but I will not repeat some of what was said as it was in confidence. I have always found him to be a real gent, a humble guy and a guy who is very approachable with no edge to him at all. I know he has regrets, I guess we all do after reaching a certain time in our lives. He can certainly hold a crowd and still has charisma. In all honesty, I do not have one bad word about him. I know, from talking with Gary Smart ( ex neighbour) that he was seen as a very tough manager. Gary was paid by the government while at Rovers, Gould utilised the YTS scheme. It did not sit well with many of those who were paid this way. They only topped the pay up with bonuses which were nothing like they are now. It's been my experience that those such as Gary did not view him well bit that the older players, most of them, held him in high regard. The one that made me angry was David Williams. When he took over from Gould he had us play some of the best football I had ever seen in my time going to games and I was positive we would be promoted the next season but he went to Norwich and the team was broken up with Mabbutt going to Spurs, Mickey Barrett passing and the rest is history. I though Williams would make it big but have not heard anything of him for a long time David Williams is another that polarises opinion. I haven't a bad word to say about him. When Bobby Campbell was manager he made the team travel back on a Rats special train from Fulham after they had been totally outplayed and lost 3-0. I was a young trainee at journalism college and asked David for an interview. He sat down and spent 30 minutes talking football with me and my mates. When he was Rovers boss we played an outstanding brand of football but missed out on the playoffs twice in a row. I reckon he was deemed a failure by some because of this and that's why he moved on to Norwich. I thought he was pushed but he may have jumped before that happened. We have a strange history of losing popular managers: Ward, Dennis Rofe and Ollie spring to mind...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 18:18:09 GMT
All joking apart, He does a lot with young sportsmen. He still attempts to play cricket and has turned up at Bath to hand out awards and do an impromptu after dinner talk. I have met him several times and had some very interesting talks with him but I will not repeat some of what was said as it was in confidence. I have always found him to be a real gent, a humble guy and a guy who is very approachable with no edge to him at all. I know he has regrets, I guess we all do after reaching a certain time in our lives. He can certainly hold a crowd and still has charisma. In all honesty, I do not have one bad word about him. I know, from talking with Gary Smart ( ex neighbour) that he was seen as a very tough manager. Gary was paid by the government while at Rovers, Gould utilised the YTS scheme. It did not sit well with many of those who were paid this way. They only topped the pay up with bonuses which were nothing like they are now. It's been my experience that those such as Gary did not view him well bit that the older players, most of them, held him in high regard. The one that made me angry was David Williams. When he took over from Gould he had us play some of the best football I had ever seen in my time going to games and I was positive we would be promoted the next season but he went to Norwich and the team was broken up with Mabbutt going to Spurs, Mickey Barrett passing and the rest is history. I though Williams would make it big but have not heard anything of him for a long time David Williams is another that polarises opinion. I haven't a bad word to say about him. When Bobby Campbell was manager he made the team travel back on a Rats special train from Fulham after they had been totally outplayed and lost 3-0. I was a young trainee at journalism college and asked David for an interview. He sat down and spent 30 minutes talking football with me and my mates. When he was Rovers boss we played an outstanding brand of football but missed out on the playoffs twice in a row. I reckon he was deemed a failure by some because of this and that's why he moved on to Norwich. I thought he was pushed but he may have jumped before that happened. We have a strange history of losing popular managers: Ward, Dennis Rofe and Ollie spring to mind... Totally agree that the football under Williams was the most exciting I had seen in the time I have followed Rovers and I was bitterly disappointed he left. I felt more like we were actually going to achieve something under him than I ever had before. Do you know if he is managing now ?
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 18, 2014 19:29:42 GMT
Bobby came to the local football club to give out the prizes to the under11's . It was apparent that most of them had no idea who he was and so a small video was played showing him playing at Eastville and Arsenal in front of huge crowds and scoring important goals. Suddenly the kids saw him in a different light. He took time to pose with each of the children as they got their medals and he chatted freely with the mums and Dad's afterwards. He wasnt paid a penny- not even expenses - he obviously loves to be popular and in the limelight. All joking apart, He does a lot with young sportsmen. He still attempts to play cricket and has turned up at Bath to hand out awards and do an impromptu after dinner talk. I have met him several times and had some very interesting talks with him but I will not repeat some of what was said as it was in confidence. I have always found him to be a real gent, a humble guy and a guy who is very approachable with no edge to him at all. I know he has regrets, I guess we all do after reaching a certain time in our lives. He can certainly hold a crowd and still has charisma. In all honesty, I do not have one bad word about him. I know, from talking with Gary Smart ( ex neighbour) that he was seen as a very tough manager. Gary was paid by the government while at Rovers, Gould utilised the YTS scheme. It did not sit well with many of those who were paid this way. They only topped the pay up with bonuses which were nothing like they are now. It's been my experience that those such as Gary did not view him well bit that the older players, most of them, held him in high regard. The one that made me angry was David Williams. When he took over from Gould he had us play some of the best football I had ever seen in my time going to games and I was positive we would be promoted the next season but he went to Norwich and the team was broken up with Mabbutt going to Spurs, Mickey Barrett passing and the rest is history. I though Williams would make it big but have not heard anything of him for a long time Last I heard was that he was a taxi driver back in his home town! As far as DC being naive when it comes to the press, given his back ground that's hardly a surprise?
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Post by lincsblue on Jul 18, 2014 20:23:04 GMT
Does it really matter if he is naive with the press?? That can be sorted (if he's even bothered).....main thing is, surely, points per game
Let the season begin
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 20:38:10 GMT
All joking apart, He does a lot with young sportsmen. He still attempts to play cricket and has turned up at Bath to hand out awards and do an impromptu after dinner talk. I have met him several times and had some very interesting talks with him but I will not repeat some of what was said as it was in confidence. I have always found him to be a real gent, a humble guy and a guy who is very approachable with no edge to him at all. I know he has regrets, I guess we all do after reaching a certain time in our lives. He can certainly hold a crowd and still has charisma. In all honesty, I do not have one bad word about him. I know, from talking with Gary Smart ( ex neighbour) that he was seen as a very tough manager. Gary was paid by the government while at Rovers, Gould utilised the YTS scheme. It did not sit well with many of those who were paid this way. They only topped the pay up with bonuses which were nothing like they are now. It's been my experience that those such as Gary did not view him well bit that the older players, most of them, held him in high regard. The one that made me angry was David Williams. When he took over from Gould he had us play some of the best football I had ever seen in my time going to games and I was positive we would be promoted the next season but he went to Norwich and the team was broken up with Mabbutt going to Spurs, Mickey Barrett passing and the rest is history. I though Williams would make it big but have not heard anything of him for a long time Last I heard was that he was a taxi driver back in his home town! As far as DC being naive when it comes to the press, given his back ground that's hardly a surprise? If David Williams is not in Football then that is a bloody travesty. I am genuinely gutted to hear that. Thanks
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 21:29:32 GMT
David Williams is assistant manager to Flynn at Doncaster.
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Post by wakeygas on Jul 18, 2014 22:18:38 GMT
Sorry Nick, but I feel this is way too negative before a ball has even been kicked in anger
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 6:53:41 GMT
We always wait until its too late to complain as fans, the club is in crisis which is also reflected in our squad so far for next season. The more we keep the pressure up the more likely someone is to pull their finger out.
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Post by phillistine on Jul 19, 2014 7:28:05 GMT
We always wait until its too late to complain as fans, the club is in crisis which is also reflected in our squad so far for next season. The more we keep the pressure up the more likely someone is to pull their finger out. is the club in crisis? The side against Cheltenham did ok and will improve as they gel. We need an obvious target man and Brunt is already on our books and if he remains fit could answer that call. Our new goalscorer is still recovering match fitness and if Smithy stays then we will have a solid back. It is true that we lack depth and are still short in one or two places but DC has already stated that he intends to use the loan market and those signings always tend to be late as the players hang on at the home clubs in the hope they will feature in the first team squads. We would all love to be further on the road than we presently are - but " crisis" - thats too strong
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Post by buckrippers on Jul 19, 2014 7:30:58 GMT
David Williams is assistant manager to Flynn at Doncaster. More on David Williams. As far as I know Flynn left Doncaster two seasons ago. Don't know if David is still there. What I can tell you which people might not realise is that apart from Norwich David has had a very successful career as youth team manager, first at Leeds then at Manchester United under Sir Alex Ferguson. At Leeds he brought through players like Alan Smith and Harry Kewell for David O'Leary's successful side before they crashed and burned. Imagine if he had stayed here? Someone who could develop a system providing a conveyor belt of young talent for the first team would be invaluable. If Crewe could do it with Dario Gradi with their level of funding and support, why not Bristol Rovers?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 11:18:39 GMT
We always wait until its too late to complain as fans, the club is in crisis which is also reflected in our squad so far for next season. The more we keep the pressure up the more likely someone is to pull their finger out. is the club in crisis? The side against Cheltenham did ok and will improve as they gel. We need an obvious target man and Brunt is already on our books and if he remains fit could answer that call. Our new goalscorer is still recovering match fitness and if Smithy stays then we will have a solid back. It is true that we lack depth and are still short in one or two places but DC has already stated that he intends to use the loan market and those signings always tend to be late as the players hang on at the home clubs in the hope they will feature in the first team squads. We would all love to be further on the road than we presently are - but " crisis" - thats too strong Of course it is, what happens when we have a few injuries and suspensions ? We also continue to lack creative midfielders and players capable of 10 to 15 assists. We lost the friendly and failed to score its hardly a shining endorsement of how the squad is ready.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 12:46:46 GMT
We always wait until its too late to complain as fans, the club is in crisis which is also reflected in our squad so far for next season. The more we keep the pressure up the more likely someone is to pull their finger out. Well said Dins.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 12:49:52 GMT
David Williams is assistant manager to Flynn at Doncaster. More on David Williams. As far as I know Flynn left Doncaster two seasons ago. Don't know if David is still there. What I can tell you which people might not realise is that apart from Norwich David has had a very successful career as youth team manager, first at Leeds then at Manchester United under Sir Alex Ferguson. At Leeds he brought through players like Alan Smith and Harry Kewell for David O'Leary's successful side before they crashed and burned. Imagine if he had stayed here? Someone who could develop a system providing a conveyor belt of young talent for the first team would be invaluable. If Crewe could do it with Dario Gradi with their level of funding and support, why not Bristol Rovers? The wiki page was up to 2013 but said was to present date. Yes, it's a crying shame we lost our way and our links to the local football scene and especially the many Welsh players we had at Rovers.
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Post by lincsblue on Jul 19, 2014 13:13:47 GMT
£££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££
Nothing to do with finger pulling
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