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Post by lockleazer on Jul 19, 2014 18:02:27 GMT
Just to clear a few things up here.. The fact is BRISA and the z3 guys who front the welly group had contact for a bit to talk about joining together .. at the 2nd welly group meeting Mark asked those present if they would be in favour of joining together.. a show hands showed 4 people against it ..a few non voters and a overwhelming majority in favour.. NO ANNOUNCEMENT WAS MADE as to if that meant a merger would be put in place... after the meeting myself and another founder of BRISA sat down to chat with Mark, Bernard and Jon .. we all gave our views on a few things but it was apparent the 3 guys were not ready to join the groups together at that time. i was of the opinion our door was very much open to get the 2 groups together.. since then BRISA had email contact with Jon who decided he felt he wasnt able to be part of a joint group, as far as im aware both Mark and Bernard are happy to leave things as they are, i personal havent been contacted by them about merging or not. BRISA was always going to continue anyway as BRISA IS A LONG TERM GROUP and has 300+ registered members so far... we have never suggested that the welly group had merged with us and believe it unlikely to happen for the time being at least,however its always an option should the guys want to join us as the aims are the same and the 3 guys are clearly passionate gasheads who bring a lot of great ideas to the fore.. All in all it is for us Gasheads to continue to strive for improvements to OUR club both on & off the pitch collectively we will have a much better chance if doing this so please join BRISA at www.bristolroversisa.org or come to our meeting at the mem on wed 30th July at 7pm Thanks Tom |
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Post by lockleazer on Jul 19, 2014 18:18:49 GMT
Oh and as it lies BRISA is headed 3 people and helped by a few others not one of us has links to or have been employed by BRFC we are..myself Tom Cook-Davies,Ted Spilsbury and Richard Wiltshire aided from a far by NZ Jeff from the independent forum..we are assisted by a small team of other people .. the intentions are to form a commitee of fellow fans guided by thoughts from our 1st meeting... the idea is that BRISA runs and follows ideas from its members .. there is no hodden adgenda .. ideas will brought sought, advice taken and if believed to be legal/possible/fai/realistic then plans will be put in place to achive the goals set out by the members.. Please email us or come to meeting if u want to know more www.Bristolroversisa.org has all the details |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 18:26:12 GMT
Its good that there are no links to the club, it makes it truly Independent. Time to start improving the communication and really get the message across. Need to reach 1000 members asap.
As the wellie group voted to merge but the three amigos organising it dont want to join are they going to encourage their grouping to get behind brisa now as i assume they wont be running more meetings ?
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Post by lockleazer on Jul 19, 2014 18:34:50 GMT
Its good that there are no links to the club, it makes it truly Independent. Time to start improving the communication and really get the message across. Need to reach 1000 members asap. As the wellie group voted to merge but the three amigos organising it dont want to join are they going to encourage their grouping to get behind brisa now as i assume they wont be running more meetings ? Dins tbats up to the indivdual... things will get moving more now that we have the meeting booked in with the club .. we hope to get the ok to have a prescence at the funday as well even if its just handing out flyers .. the post will also be doing a short news item about BRISA soon |
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Jul 19, 2014 18:50:17 GMT
Thank you for making that clear Tom. Of course you have my support and i will try to attend your meeting because like everyone else i'd like to see how you're progressing. There is no divisions here, we are of course all after the same thing - A Better Bristol Rovers.
I wish you all the very best and i will support you all i can and if i can offer any knowledge along the way i of course will do so willingly. And lastly, i would encourage all Gasheads to at least pop along and see what BRISA are about and see for yourself some of their visions.
We are all united in our support. UTG
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Post by lockleazer on Jul 19, 2014 18:52:46 GMT
Thank you for making that clear Tom. Of course you have my support and i will try to attend your meeting because like everyone else i'd like to see how you're progressing. There is no divisions here, we are of course all after the same thing - A Better Bristol Rovers. I wish you all the very best and i will support you all i can and if i can offer any knowledge along the way i of course will do so willingly. And lastly, i would encourage all Gasheads to at least pop along and see what BRISA are about and see for yourself some of their visions. We are all united in our support. UTG Cheers Jon Totally understand your reasons for not getting involved... time is precious .. |
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Post by markczgas on Jul 20, 2014 11:59:23 GMT
Thank you for making that clear Tom. Of course you have my support and i will try to attend your meeting because like everyone else i'd like to see how you're progressing. There is no divisions here, we are of course all after the same thing - A Better Bristol Rovers. I wish you all the very best and i will support you all i can and if i can offer any knowledge along the way i of course will do so willingly. And lastly, i would encourage all Gasheads to at least pop along and see what BRISA are about and see for yourself some of their visions. We are all united in our support. UTG Cheers Jon Totally understand your reasons for not getting involved... time is precious .. The same from me too ! I have put a lot of time and effort into getting the club to listen to us supporters and trying to get fellow Gasheads interested in putting their hands up to say to the club - this isn't good enough, we demand and expect better. We set out to get answers and ideas from the club and for the leaders to listen to us. The aim was a Question and Answer event for all supporters as soon as the season ended. sadly, although we have a Q & A it is now taking place on the eve of a new season and I guess many supporters are thinking (and saying) give it a rest and get behind the club. This will happen from a big majority anyway but we do not know, as things stand, whether the club we are so passionate about has learnt any lessons from the last 4 seasons of failure other than belt tightening !! I will go tomorrow to the Q & A with hope that we will get some explanations and vision from the club to make me and others feel that something tangible will and is happening within the club to start building BRFC into a force again. Will the prospect and intent of protest happen if we leave the event disappointed, I do not know. Back in June this was a feeling expressed by many who attended the meeting (admittedly not many when you consider our 5000/6000 hardcore). I believe this is a course of action that should be used - it is OUR club and if we have little or no confidence in the custodians of the club something must be done to get them to open their eyes and listen and act ( in a new direction). Personally, me and my family will be going on holiday for a few weeks so I will miss the first game. I may well get involved in BRISA and wish them well. I hope they have a clear vision as to what they want to do as this is crucial in my eyes. Hope to see many familiar faces at the Q & A tomorrow - let's hope our spirits will be raised !! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 13:53:39 GMT
Great comments Mark
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Post by dragonfly on Jul 20, 2014 16:14:19 GMT
One important element which may not have been considered so far is the creation of a fund which if it grew to a substantial amount could make the Club sit up and take notice with opportunities a real possibility.
If, say 1000 supporters contributed £5 per month that would amount to £60,000 in one year and £120,000 if 2000 contributed. This may yield more clout than the grossly diluted and almost worthless share scheme if the BoD were to cast envious eyes on such a fund.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 16:35:15 GMT
One important element which may not have been considered so far is the creation of a fund which if it grew to a substantial amount could make the Club sit up and take notice with opportunities a real possibility. If, say 1000 supporters contributed £5 per month that would amount to £60,000 in one year and £120,000 if 2000 contributed. This may yield more clout than the grossly diluted and almost worthless share scheme if the BoD were to cast envious eyes on such a fund. 3 That is a fantastic idea and one that I would definitely contribute to and this is my pledge to do so. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 16:39:01 GMT
3000 x lets say £200 for season ticket sales = £600000....
the idea of getting £60000 from voluntary contributions is quite frankly ludicrous....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 16:41:59 GMT
3000 x lets say £200 for season ticket sales = £600000.... the idea of getting £60000 from voluntary contributions is quite frankly ludicrous.... Not quite sir £1,000,000 ring any bells? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 16:47:16 GMT
It would end in tears.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 16:48:22 GMT
3000 x lets say £200 for season ticket sales = £600000.... the idea of getting £60000 from voluntary contributions is quite frankly ludicrous.... Not quite sir £1,000,000 ring any bells? not really... should it?  unless you're talking about the share scheme here, which is different is it not??? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 16:52:36 GMT
I can only see that level of donation happening if we go under and start again.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 16:57:57 GMT
Not quite sir £1,000,000 ring any bells? not really... should it? unless you're talking about the share scheme here, which is different is it not??? I would contend not as it was an entirely voluntarily. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 17:08:19 GMT
not really... should it? unless you're talking about the share scheme here, which is different is it not??? I would contend not as it was an entirely voluntarily. erm... did you read dragonflys post.... I got the impression that he was talking about raising money outside of the club (voluntarily), as where the share scheme was in-house (voluntarily).... I must be missing something in the small print here.... either way it's a stupid idea, but that's just my opinion... please feel free to raise the club £1000000. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 18:04:54 GMT
I read it as:
Group of fans raise x amount of pounds but not as a donation, but as leverage.
We will give you x amount if you do ABC. Etc.
They are skint, collectively 2000 Rovers fans could, for minimal individual outlay, force some change.
Thats how I read it.
It would still end in tears though. Good idea on paper mind.
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Post by dragonfly on Jul 20, 2014 19:19:10 GMT
Yes Hugo you have read it correct and leverage is the word but with a degree of subtly. We've already had enough tears to last a lifetime so the potential rewards should be worth the risks. I don't know if BRISA would consider such a fund or even have the structure to implement one. I would pledge £10 per month and a small change saving jar.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 2:19:33 GMT
Leverage was what the share scheme was all about. Requiring the company that owns BRFC to sell 28% of their share capital and making the selliing of the Mem require an Egm resolution. As I am sure you know to carry an EGM resolution 76% plus must vote in favour. Resolutions like increasing the share capital and the cancellation of pre emption rights all require EGM resolutions which, if the scheme had reached its ambition, would have been blocked.
I agree with you about the £10 a month figure, that was the basis of the 5432 campaign which, if that number had signed up, would have achieved the £3,500,000 required to acquire the 28%
What I would say is that £60k or even £120k, is watering in the wind money, there is no leverage accrued with that kind of value.
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unless you're talking about the share scheme here, which is different is it not???