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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 16:44:37 GMT
Ps Mildenhall, Mcrystal, Parkes, Brown, Clarke, Lockyer, Harrison alll on good league wages. Our budget is big for this level as its over half a million a year just for those seven. You don't get it do you? Those being on big league two wages has made it worse for Clarke, he has 7 players on big league two wages and needed to get in 10+ players with the remainder of a smaller, reduced budget. Added with that, he's had to find value through the agents who see Bristol Rovers as an easy target for long deals on big wages. I spoke to a Luton fan earlier in preseason. He said, and i quote, the quicker you let the club build, stop demanding too much, stop sacking a manager every year (like they were doing), stop thinking you will water this league and accept you are were you are because you deserve to be, the quicker you will be in a position to get out of the league. It took them years. But let's go your route. Say we're in for a midtable or lower finish, let's sack Clarke. Another mass exodus and find our selves building yet another entire new squad for yet another new season with a new manager. No guarantees in this league of going up, but just spiralling the clubs finance in even less control. Forgetting the fact that a serious manager won't touch us with a barge pole, we also lose the philosophy that Clarke has being trying to change in the summer, possibly meaning agents take us for a ride again, three year deals, journeymen. The Luton route. Eventually we might find a manager good enough, depends if we go under by then! Harley dont patronise me and dont put words in my mouth. I have been watching Rovers longer then you have been alive. All i have said is i expect promotion and we as a club must expect promotion. DC has chosen to stick with some of last years players and has brought in more on reasonable wages too. The no money to spend on wages is a myth. We will end up with a squad of 23 players on full time wages. We have one of the biggest budget outside the top half of league 2. As for sacking Clarke which i have never even mentioned it depends on a lot of factors. If we play well and are unlucky (injuries / events out of our control) and finish outside the play offs thats very different to just being awfull. Lets see how the season unfolds. I completely expect promotion based on our budget, fan base and resources.
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Post by lincsblue on Jul 29, 2014 18:06:32 GMT
Fan base?? How does that warrant expecting promotion??
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Post by Hugo Admin on Jul 29, 2014 18:21:20 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 18:50:55 GMT
Because we get 600% odd more revenue then a lot of the clubs and it is generally agreed that having support behind you improves results. Hence home games being an advantage, hence our fans being the twelth man.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 18:53:24 GMT
Ps we have fallen three divisions since my first regular season 1990/91. I cant accept that a club of our size should accept anything other then a return to league football.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 19:07:44 GMT
You don't get it do you? Those being on big league two wages has made it worse for Clarke, he has 7 players on big league two wages and needed to get in 10+ players with the remainder of a smaller, reduced budget. Added with that, he's had to find value through the agents who see Bristol Rovers as an easy target for long deals on big wages. I spoke to a Luton fan earlier in preseason. He said, and i quote, the quicker you let the club build, stop demanding too much, stop sacking a manager every year (like they were doing), stop thinking you will water this league and accept you are were you are because you deserve to be, the quicker you will be in a position to get out of the league. It took them years. But let's go your route. Say we're in for a midtable or lower finish, let's sack Clarke. Another mass exodus and find our selves building yet another entire new squad for yet another new season with a new manager. No guarantees in this league of going up, but just spiralling the clubs finance in even less control. Forgetting the fact that a serious manager won't touch us with a barge pole, we also lose the philosophy that Clarke has being trying to change in the summer, possibly meaning agents take us for a ride again, three year deals, journeymen. The Luton route. Eventually we might find a manager good enough, depends if we go under by then! Harley dont patronise me and dont put words in my mouth. I have been watching Rovers longer then you have been alive. All i have said is i expect promotion and we as a club must expect promotion. DC has chosen to stick with some of last years players and has brought in more on reasonable wages too. The no money to spend on wages is a myth. We will end up with a squad of 23 players on full time wages. We have one of the biggest budget outside the top half of league 2. As for sacking Clarke which i have never even mentioned it depends on a lot of factors. If we play well and are unlucky (injuries / events out of our control) and finish outside the play offs thats very different to just being awfull. Lets see how the season unfolds. I completely expect promotion based on our budget, fan base and resources. Chosen to stick with? C'mon! You don't think he'd pay off some of the players here if he could? I reckon he'd keep Brown, Lockyer, Mildenhall... Struggling to think of others. He'd definitely get rid of Ellis if he could. You don't think we have a tight budget? We can't even afford to get a reserve keeper, and our manager is manager, coach, fitness coach, scout etc etc. Completely taking out my opinion that no manager is going to succeed under the current regime, I would be satisfied (not happy, satisfied) with midtable and a cup run this season. I don't see us getting promoted and I feel we'd do well to reach the playoffs. Two sides in the history of the conference have bounced back straight away, are we, as a club, set up to join those? I don't care how perceived 'big our fanbase is'. We are a shoddily run club. If it was down to how big we are and our gates and fanbase then we'd swap places with Yeovil at least but unfortunately it isn't that simple. Also unfortunately, our relegation to League 2, our crap seasons after and then relegation to the conference still hasn't made fans learn that size doesn't matter. It took Luton five seasons. How long will it take us?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 19:14:15 GMT
Because we get 600% odd more revenue then a lot of the clubs and it is generally agreed that having support behind you improves results. Hence home games being an advantage, hence our fans being the twelth man. As i've said in the previous post, that means nothing. Luton are historically a bigger club than us and they were here for five years. Also, our fanbase has worked against us for a few years atleast, just look at the players who has crumbled under the pressure here but gone on to be successful elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 19:18:19 GMT
I think we will go up either DC will be as good as he thinks he is (far too early for me to know) or he will have a slow start and we will surge to the play offs under a different manager. After his last eight games DC will have to have us near the play offs by christmas or he will be gone based on Jelfs comments at the q and a.
No clubs look that good. The likes of Constable or Forest Greens golden oldies are not going to have the stomach for it. The benefit we have is being able to utilise the hindsight and experience of Luton and the like. Which i praise the club for doing.
DC has a good budget, has inherited a league quality back 5 and that is a good enough foundation to build from. Looking forward to league football again allready.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 20:25:11 GMT
Because we get 600% odd more revenue then a lot of the clubs and it is generally agreed that having support behind you improves results. Hence home games being an advantage, hence our fans being the twelth man. Steady on Dins, you're almost straying into the realms of fantasy there!
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Post by lincsblue on Jul 29, 2014 20:55:42 GMT
Attendance and fan-base are two different entities. Our attendance should be between 4000 - 6000, however our fan base is potentially a sell out as we took 40,000 to Wembley
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 22:12:13 GMT
i reckon if you play some good football,score goals,win games,see plenty of strong determined characters and always be in with a chance of promotion our fans will in the main accept us missing out on promotion,but if we have those qualities maybe we wont miss out?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 17:11:12 GMT
Ps we have fallen three divisions since my first regular season 1990/91. I cant accept that a club of our size should accept anything other then a return to league football. So its your fault then. You and Uri Geller. Benders.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 19:24:48 GMT
Lol
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