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Post by lpgas on Feb 21, 2016 10:36:30 GMT
The only person who can answer that question is the person in possession of all the facts......NH, and it was his decision to make. It's done now and individuals can decide for themselves whether they support the new owners. Our new owners have built a business over 40 years and they understand the need to do things in the right order. From the interviews so far it's clear they intend to set sound financial foundations before moving on to the next stage. I have the feeling, at times as fans, we'll want things done quickly, not necessarily in the order our owners deem appropriate. I have the feeling we will though have a club that will achieve success in the long term Problem is a lot of us are reaching the top of the hill and might not be around to see the long term changes. For me I want a new ground which will bring a rise in attendances. When I first started watching the Gas 20k plus was not un usual and 16 k for a Tuesday night game was the norm. I'd like to see that again
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 10:47:53 GMT
What's the views of Jts , gasincider and the other itk's on what our new owners bring to the table compared to what they heard/ thought/ expected the other consortium would? do they still think we missed out? Let's knock this on the head right now. Let's not have a future where the few ITK keep harping on about how good the mystery consortium would have been. I am already watered off with every mention of this so-called consortium. Feck 'em. Move on.
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Post by peterparker on Feb 21, 2016 10:53:01 GMT
If the rumours I heard were true I think most would have been in full support of the alternative and there would have been less trepidation about motives etc. That said we have to play the hand we've been dealt and get on with it now. I hope it all works out. The new owners are saying the right things and in all honesty I think NH and co were leading us into oblivion anyway so we litterally had nothing to lose. Precisely. I hear about the apparent other consortium being football people but what does that mean.exactly? Mr Al-Qadi seems to have a healthy interest in football, is involved in it back home and internationally. Hr may not be from inside the game, but it appears he wants a football club for more than the sake of spending his money
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Post by alvestongas on Feb 21, 2016 10:53:47 GMT
What's the views of Jts , gasincider and the other itk's on what our new owners bring to the table compared to what they heard/ thought/ expected the other consortium would? do they still think we missed out? Let's knock this on the head right now. Let's not have a future where the few ITK keep harping on about how good the mystery consortium would have been. I am already watered off with every mention of this so-called consortium. Feck 'em. Move on. Absolutely Nobby - they failed end of! Lets embrace the new regime, they have made a great start & said all the right things. Really this should never happen to BRFC - it's a dream surely - but it has and we should fully support the Al Qadi group as they are now BRFC.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 21, 2016 10:58:22 GMT
The only person who can answer that question is the person in possession of all the facts......NH, and it was his decision to make. It's done now and individuals can decide for themselves whether they support the new owners. Our new owners have built a business over 40 years and they understand the need to do things in the right order. From the interviews so far it's clear they intend to set sound financial foundations before moving on to the next stage. I have the feeling, at times as fans, we'll want things done quickly, not necessarily in the order our owners deem appropriate. I have the feeling we will though have a club that will achieve success in the long term Problem is a lot of us are reaching the top of the hill and might not be around to see the long term changes. For me I want a new ground which will bring a rise in attendances. When I first started watching the Gas 20k plus was not un usual and 16 k for a Tuesday night game was the norm. I'd like to see that again Its pointless just building the UWE then going bust like Darlington though, we need a clear business plan for development, I'm not sure NH ever had one but was just going to rely upon a build it and they will come approach? It could also be the leasehold approach for the land is not the best one for our new owners if they can afford to purchase the land as well. I think we might just have to be patient although I want a new ground for the 2017 season as much as any fan.
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Post by dave on Feb 21, 2016 11:05:08 GMT
I'm also interested to know who the other party was , even if its just so we know what didn't happen.
There was a post from gasincider last week where he indicated that they were a UK/US consortium and he knew the names and knew a lot about them. I might be misquoting (but i cant find it now, a lot of water has passed under that bridge since) but i think he also indicated that that they were in his opinion a great fit for the club.
Now that they have missed the boat is there really any issue wth the names not being in the public domain?
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Post by long john silver on Feb 21, 2016 11:29:46 GMT
Problem is a lot of us are reaching the top of the hill and might not be around to see the long term changes. For me I want a new ground which will bring a rise in attendances. When I first started watching the Gas 20k plus was not un usual and 16 k for a Tuesday night game was the norm. I'd like to see that again Its pointless just building the UWE then going bust like Darlington though, we need a clear business plan for development, I'm not sure NH ever had one but was just going to rely upon a build it and they will come approach?It could also be the leasehold approach for the land is not the best one for our new owners if they can afford to purchase the land as well. I think we might just have to be patient although I want a new ground for the 2017 season as much as any fan. i kind of makes you wonder if higgs pulled off the sainsburys deal would he of sold the club to wael , maybe trash were a blessing in disguise.
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Post by pirate49 on Feb 21, 2016 11:31:02 GMT
Seems like the other lot may have had more credibility and appeal but less dosh! Personally I'm not concerned about the new owners, but 'wary' of the new chairman.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Feb 21, 2016 11:44:25 GMT
Problem is a lot of us are reaching the top of the hill and might not be around to see the long term changes. For me I want a new ground which will bring a rise in attendances. When I first started watching the Gas 20k plus was not un usual and 16 k for a Tuesday night game was the norm. I'd like to see that again Its pointless just building the UWE then going bust like Darlington though, we need a clear business plan for development, I'm not sure NH ever had one but was just going to rely upon a build it and they will come approach? It could also be the leasehold approach for the land is not the best one for our new owners if they can afford to purchase the land as well. I think we might just have to be patient although I want a new ground for the 2017 season as much as any fan. Yeah, if they need to seriously renegotiate the terms of the UWE with the university, then they only have a few weeks to do it, if we are to start 2017 in a new ground.
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Post by gasincider on Feb 21, 2016 11:53:46 GMT
In answer to some issues on here, it was indeed a US/BRITISH consortium, headed by people with extensive experience in our football structure. I've not been told not to name them, but will do so only if I am told it's ok. Funding was never an issue.
Suffice to say, if anyone watched points west on Friday night, Ally Durden confirmed that as late as 10 days ago the other group seemed to be about to go public, but an hour before they were going out on Points West, The press release was pulled. Why? I don't know, but Higgs didn't help by refusing to talk to them, so they were going to appeal to the public so we would all know.
Details of their offer are now unimportant as we have new owners.
If you look on the other forum someone has raised the idea that UWE may not happen. That is indeed correct. As I understand it this plays a big part in NH's quick decision to stand aside. He was looking at a joint venture with our new owner and probably the UWE.
Basically, it seems but not certain that UWE had priced him out of the ability to provide the UWE, and our owners said they wouldn't do a joint venture, but would now only consider a full takeover of the club, the major condition of which was that all equity board members had to immediately stand down. NH therefore had no option but to sell up, and this forced the hand of the others. Apparently EW was not a happy bunny yesterday, so that probably means he didn't get as much out of it as he wanted. That has to be a good thing.
Our new owners, quite rightly don't want to be held to ransom by UWE, and that is why they want the freehold of the site. I understand but cannot confirm, that UWE wanted £8m for the site ( on a leasehold basis)and Rovers gave them the naming rights for the equivalent sum. Now however it seems that UWE have upped the price to about £11m. There is also the matter of car parking fees at UWE. We wanted the fees relating to matchday parking, but UWE wanted the lot. That is equivalent to approximately £400k per season.
Quite rightly, that money should be ours. So I don't blame our new owners for wanting to alter the terms. Christ, UWE are getting the use of a state of the art stadium with lots of student facilities free of charge. Talk about useless negotiating skills. We were being hung out to dry.
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Post by Severncider on Feb 21, 2016 11:54:04 GMT
The other Consortium are "dead in the Water" they had their chance and blew it.
If you watched Alistair Durden on Points West at 13.30 on Friday he clearly stated that he was aware of another Consortium. He should have as he knew details but for whatever reason a statement he was going to make was pulled at the last minute.
So lets move on as I will not be making any further comment about them.
I am fully committed to the new owners and they will have my 100% support. Was it the best deal? Who knows, but if it was the only credible offer on offer I believe that the clubs financial position was getting desperate and they must have been getting desperate to conclude a deal.
Clearly, GD must have been happy with the offer and despite what anyone says about him, he is on board with the deal that was on offer. Perhaps now he will publish his long await book, I can only guess that the last few chapters will make very interesting reading. DO NOT read anything into that comment.
So although we do not have the full picture of how the new owners will benefit BRFC, I am confident that this could be the start of something big.
I certainly prefer someone who can make an important decision when one is needed and not someone who faffs about.
As indicated at the beginning, I will NOT be making any further comment on the other Consortium, lets move on and enjoy the ride.
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Post by Langford Gas on Feb 21, 2016 11:55:34 GMT
Problem is, they didn't show up How do you know?! The Jordan group didn't know "show up" until it was announced they'd bought us. That's a ridiculous argument! I wasn't arguing dear chap, I was merely expressing an opinion on what I have read and the very few facts we have. The facts we have which are direct from the Horse's mouth i.e the new Chairman,President and I believe NH was that our new owners starting looking at us September last year, which coincidentally is when JTS broke the news on the "New Beginning" thread. Since then i'm think i'm right in saying that one of the ciders has said in one of the many threads, something along the lines that he/she was getting frustrated with the lack of action form the consortium they knew of. On the alternative forum "JTS is this what you were on about" thread JTS says he believes he was played, So was there an ulterior motive? Did the other consortium even exist as a genuine entity? Was it an elaborate ruse to bid the others up ? Who knows, I don't know at all but I do believe and have no reason to doubt that the ITK's were genuine in their belief. So what are we left with, a new owner who ticked all the boxes for NH whatever they might have been. The mystery consortium remain just that a mystery, absolutely no reason as far as i can see why they would have any objection to being named if their intentions were genuine, but again one of the Ciders I think ( apologies if i am wrong) has said he/she have been told/ asked not to name them You make your own mind up and I respect your opinion but in my mind until someone can show me otherwise they just didn't turn up
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 21, 2016 12:08:14 GMT
Yeah, ok.
At the end of the day, we didn't pick the buyer, Nick did. We can only judge on what we can see.
I'm pretty happy that EW is no longer part of the club and that BB is no longer in charge of commerce.
So far so good.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 21, 2016 12:30:23 GMT
In answer to some issues on here, it was indeed a US/BRITISH consortium, headed by people with extensive experience in our football structure. I've not been told not to name them, but will do so only if I am told it's ok. Funding was never an issue. Suffice to say, if anyone watched points west on Friday night, Ally Durden confirmed that as late as 10 days ago the other group seemed to be about to go public, but an hour before they were going out on Points West, The press release was pulled. Why? I don't know, but Higgs didn't help by refusing to talk to them, so they were going to appeal to the public so we would all know. Details of their offer are now unimportant as we have new owners. If you look on the other forum someone has raised the idea that UWE may not happen. That is indeed correct. As I understand it this plays a big part in NH's quick decision to stand aside. He was looking at a joint venture with our new owner and probably the UWE. Basically, it seems but not certain that UWE had priced him out of the ability to provide the UWE, and our owners said they wouldn't do a joint venture, but would now only consider a full takeover of the club, the major condition of which was that all equity board members had to immediately stand down. NH therefore had no option but to sell up, and this forced the hand of the others. Apparently EW was not a happy bunny yesterday, so that probably means he didn't get as much out of it as he wanted. That has to be a good thing. Our new owners, quite rightly don't want to be held to ransom by UWE, and that is why they want the freehold of the site. I understand but cannot confirm, that UWE wanted £8m for the site ( on a leasehold basis)and Rovers gave them the naming rights for the equivalent sum. Now however it seems that UWE have upped the price to about £11m. There is also the matter of car parking fees at UWE. We wanted the fees relating to matchday parking, but UWE wanted the lot. That is equivalent to approximately £400k per season. Quite rightly, that money should be ours. So I don't blame our new owners for wanting to alter the terms. Christ, UWE are getting the use of a state of the art stadium with lots of student facilities free of charge. Talk about useless negotiating skills. We were being hung out to dry. Yet more anti NH allegations which none of us have the inside knowledge to refute? As far as EW being unhappy yesterday, if he was that unhappy why didn't he just pull a sickie like NH and stay away? It will be interesting to see how the UWE saga pans out, whilst the UWE can play the long game I assume they still want the staduim built for free, so some deal will have to be negotiated eventually.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Feb 21, 2016 12:52:34 GMT
The interesting thing for me is that if you listen carefully to the interviews you can hear that Al Qadi never misses an opportunity to make a point of him being in charge or it being his club, his ground etc. I don't know what point I'm trying to make but it just seems like change is very much on the horizon. As for whether we picked the right buyers who knows. Its a case of be careful what you wish for. Many people have been very strong in their wish for Higgs to go. As always, the alternative is rarely considered when making these comments in the same way people say sack the manager. If you want Higgs gone you have to have someone else come in and you have to accept it will be Higgs decision who that is and his way of choosing will be motivated by his interests. I'm fairly hopeful about this whole saga personally, there's money and ambition there so hopefully the stagnant waters get a bit of a freshen up. As always, time will tell.
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Post by inee on Feb 21, 2016 13:08:20 GMT
What's the views of Jts , gasincider and the other itk's on what our new owners bring to the table compared to what they heard/ thought/ expected the other consortium would? do they still think we missed out? Let's knock this on the head right now. Let's not have a future where the few ITK keep harping on about how good the mystery consortium would have been. I am already watered off with every mention of this so-called consortium. Feck 'em. Move on. Nob's thing is 3 well respected people mentioned the consortiums at the same time, now if they were fed that by someone on the inside to spark debate, or for some as a hope, then so be it, what it has done in provide us with a very good thread which went from serious discussion,to insults to so far off topic it was amusing to ultimately being correct as the club was taken over ,and unless i'm totally wrong within the timescale mentioned, nh has mentioned on several occasions about a deal failing and i think he also mentioned a deal that failed recently. NH did the correct thing he neither confirmed or denied the rumours, he was probably asked too, who knows he may have put out a false rumour to direct away from what was happening. If you want to know JTS response to the consortium its on the other forum, Yatton i don't suspect anyone would be able to answer that question as i doubt very much the other bidders would have made public their plans for the club, i also suspect someone at board level leaked to either divert attention away from the new owners or to gauge response to a takeover to force nicks hand into making his mind up to sell, again some seem to be making a point about nick getting his money back, well lets face it who wouldn't want it back i know i would, If it isn't the right move for us then you can't blame nick the shitstorm hr's had to weather from both forums and the O/F would make even the meekest of us say f**k it and sell etc. Hopefully now every creditor on the accounts will be paid off soon our debt will be zero and we will have a few extra pennies in the bank for a fresh start, all thats left to say at present is get the f**k innnnnnnnnnnnnnn
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 21, 2016 13:14:35 GMT
The interesting thing for me is that if you listen carefully to the interviews you can hear that Al Qadi never misses an opportunity to make a point of him being in charge or it being his club, his ground etc. I don't know what point I'm trying to make but it just seems like change is very much on the horizon. As for whether we picked the right buyers who knows. Its a case of be careful what you wish for. Many people have been very strong in their wish for Higgs to go. As always, the alternative is rarely considered when making these comments in the same way people say sack the manager. If you want Higgs gone you have to have someone else come in and you have to accept it will be Higgs decision who that is and his way of choosing will be motivated by his interests. I'm fairly hopeful about this whole saga personally, there's money and ambition there so hopefully the stagnant waters get a bit of a freshen up. As always, time will tell. Could anything really be worse than Conference football in a dilapidated Mem with Admin a real possibility come June when the wonga loan was due to be repaid? NH's spell in charge hasn't really been the glory years has it? Whilst NH tried is best Trash destroyed his plans meaning that new owners were invertible, at least the new ones seem to have the financial clout to make the UWE a realistic proposition.
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Post by inee on Feb 21, 2016 13:41:20 GMT
Tbh honest Topper the glory years were mostly left with eastville, ok we had a few good years at twerton, (if i was a player i would have hated playing at twerton f**k me it was intimidating ) . If Trash hadn't scuppered the uwe with the help of shamebury's then most of Nicks haters would now be calling him the messiah. hindsights a wonderful thing. for example if we hit the conference a few years ago how would our finances be now. I know im going to get slated for this but for me our best times since holloway(and im in the holloway was forced to do it camp) was our spell in the conference i cried like a baby for days when we were demoted and took months to get over it, but the gas spirit shone through everyone pulled together,from the top to the bottom and we had hope, this transferred into this season, a fairly new team in the top 1/2 of our division, who would have thought it when we went down not me that's for sure, i can't get too excited at present although being in a position of having a set of debt free accounts soon makes my pee pee tingle . The new owners talk about not splashing out money willy nilly but rather building on what we got, does fill me with hope for the future and is the opposite of the mainly fly by night club owners that appear these days. I just hope the new owners just take it steady help the areas that need help without buying success, hope he sits down with the players and passes on just a tad of confidence to them and i think we will get where we want to be. Lets hope that this time next year we can carry on singing we got our rovers back
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Post by daniel300380 on Feb 21, 2016 13:47:22 GMT
In answer to some issues on here, it was indeed a US/BRITISH consortium, headed by people with extensive experience in our football structure. I've not been told not to name them, but will do so only if I am told it's ok. Funding was never an issue. Suffice to say, if anyone watched points west on Friday night, Ally Durden confirmed that as late as 10 days ago the other group seemed to be about to go public, but an hour before they were going out on Points West, The press release was pulled. Why? I don't know, but Higgs didn't help by refusing to talk to them, so they were going to appeal to the public so we would all know. Details of their offer are now unimportant as we have new owners. If you look on the other forum someone has raised the idea that UWE may not happen. That is indeed correct. As I understand it this plays a big part in NH's quick decision to stand aside. He was looking at a joint venture with our new owner and probably the UWE. Basically, it seems but not certain that UWE had priced him out of the ability to provide the UWE, and our owners said they wouldn't do a joint venture, but would now only consider a full takeover of the club, the major condition of which was that all equity board members had to immediately stand down. NH therefore had no option but to sell up, and this forced the hand of the others. Apparently EW was not a happy bunny yesterday, so that probably means he didn't get as much out of it as he wanted. That has to be a good thing. Our new owners, quite rightly don't want to be held to ransom by UWE, and that is why they want the freehold of the site. I understand but cannot confirm, that UWE wanted £8m for the site ( on a leasehold basis)and Rovers gave them the naming rights for the equivalent sum. Now however it seems that UWE have upped the price to about £11m. There is also the matter of car parking fees at UWE. We wanted the fees relating to matchday parking, but UWE wanted the lot. That is equivalent to approximately £400k per season. Quite rightly, that money should be ours. So I don't blame our new owners for wanting to alter the terms. Christ, UWE are getting the use of a state of the art stadium with lots of student facilities free of charge. Talk about useless negotiating skills. We were being hung out to dry. Yet more anti NH allegations which none of us have the inside knowledge to refute? As far as EW being unhappy yesterday, if he was that unhappy why didn't he just pull a sickie like NH and stay away? It will be interesting to see how the UWE saga pans out, whilst the UWE can play the long game I assume they still want the staduim built for free, so some deal will have to be negotiated eventually. Didn't we have a contract with Uwe, so can they just change the terms and up the price??? The contract with Sainsburys was watertight,so I can't see why the contract with Uwe would be any different lol.
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Post by Severncider on Feb 21, 2016 14:03:12 GMT
Yet more anti NH allegations which none of us have the inside knowledge to refute? As far as EW being unhappy yesterday, if he was that unhappy why didn't he just pull a sickie like NH and stay away? It will be interesting to see how the UWE saga pans out, whilst the UWE can play the long game I assume they still want the staduim built for free, so some deal will have to be negotiated eventually. Didn't we have a contract with Uwe, so can they just change the terms and up the price??? The contract with Sainsburys was watertight,so I can't see why the contract with Uwe would be any different lol. There is NO Contract with UWE, there never was.
If there was, the new owners would not be able to suggest that they could walk away if UWE try to screw us.
NH agreed the best terms he was able to get from UWE. It is a whole new ball game now. I like that even if there is a short delay.
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