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Post by tommygtfc on Aug 6, 2014 7:30:48 GMT
Morning 'gasheads'. Welcome to the conference. I know, like us, you want to be a couple of leagues higher than this hellhole of a league but you may have to be patient.
I think the last time a team got promoted in their first season down here after relegation was 1989 or 90. Teams struggle to adapt when down here initially, as much with the mental side of it as anything else. It can't be easy playing in front of 500 fans at some of these village grounds with no atmosphere. And you lot will no doubt be expecting your team to walk over the part-time teams you've never really noticed before like Braintree, Dartford, Welling, Nuneaton and Alfreton. And you will inevitably lose to some of these small teams.
In our first season down (and possibly beyond) when we lost to some of these small clubs plenty of fans had the view of "We're Grimsby Town, we shouldn't be losing to the likes of.......".
We've probably come to accept now (generally) that we're in the same league as these teams on merit, and although there is still an expectation of us to beat most teams, there isn't the uproar when we don't.
There's plenty of historically FL clubs down here now, but we are the scalps for the rest to take as they raise they're game. The standard of football can be mixed. It's been said by many that teams get it down and play more in this league than in League Two. But you also get some very direct, physical teams.
One thing that you will pick up on, and will infuriate you, is the timewasting and slowing the game down every time the ball goes out of play tactics that many of the lower sides employ. And the refereeing is worse than anything you'll have seen before, they let them get away with it as well as being shocking.
There's always plenty of games postponed in the winter months, and that combined with the FA Trophy games being played on Saturdays (thus causing a lot of league games to be re-arranged) means there's always a fixture pile-up in the last few months. Wenger, Mourinho and co wouldn't be able to cope with the 4 games in 7 days you may have to experience.
One of the good things about being down here is being able to visit some decent places. Plenty of new grounds for you to go to with really friendly atmospheres where the fans mix well before and sometimes during the game. Like us, no doubt you will travel in good numbers, but it will not be reciprocated by most. It's a regular sight at Blundell Park seeing 10-25 fans in the away end. Only a few break 100.
Anyway all the best, apart from Saturday.
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Post by Hugo Admin on Aug 6, 2014 7:51:03 GMT
Thanks for dropping by mate, I read all opposition views with interest.
Lots have you down as contenders this season. Lots of gasheads think we should go straight back up but others of us are mire skeptical and expect to be settling at least for a few seasons. What do you think makes a team that cut above the rest down here?
looking forward to Saturday. Can I also ask, how do you find fans get along with each other in conference?
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Post by bs10er on Aug 6, 2014 7:52:57 GMT
Thanks for the welcome Tommygtfc,we have been told this by fans from Luton and Lincoln,so we (ought) to know what to look forward to! I think we will have the same trouble as most ex-league clubs,we will expect to beat most of the "smaller" teams easily,but we know we won't,the fans will find that hard to take. I think most of us have now excepted we are where we are, and where we deserve to be after a few seasons of utter dross. Still very hard to take though,especially as we have league members the other side of Bristol! Still the new season is upon us,and most of us are beginning to look forward to it. UTG
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Post by GasAttacK on Aug 6, 2014 8:10:40 GMT
I've always liked Grimsby so I hope you finish second to Rovers this season It is depressing how quickly we've plummeted into the Conference. Just 4 years ago we finished in the top half of league 1 and were building a side for the Championship! However, we are where we are and everyone associated with the club have got to accept that and get on with the job of trying to get back in the league. Most know that will be far from easy and based on recent history it looks unlikely we'll achieve that at the first time of asking. I think providing we're in and around the top 5 our crowds will hold up fairly well. Probably between 5k & 7k at home and we usually take a good number away. If we're struggling again those figures are likely to drop because some fans wont be able to put up with another season like the last 4. Anyway, the funs about to begin and I'm actually looking forward to it now. Of course I might have a different view come 2:30pm on Saturday.
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Post by tommygtfc on Aug 6, 2014 8:23:33 GMT
Thanks for dropping by mate, I read all opposition views with interest. Lots have you down as contenders this season. Lots of gasheads think we should go straight back up but others of us are mire skeptical and expect to be settling at least for a few seasons. What do you think makes a team that cut above the rest down here? looking forward to Saturday. Can I also ask, how do you find fans get along with each other in conference? Generally very well. The odd ground, especially lower non-leaguers you may face in the Trophy, has unsegregated terracing. All of the more traditional non-league sides are very friendly and welcoming. Most even allow away fans in the home clubhouse/bar at the ground. And the atmosphere is healthy between supporters with no trouble. Obviously the ex-league clubs still have the standard set-up of not allowing away fans in home bars etc. You may have heard this before but Kidderminster's ground is famous for its cracking food. I've been and sampled it and it is great. On us being challengers: I'd expect us to get in the play-offs again, as we have done for the last 2 years now. Whether we can mount a sustained challenge for that elusive top spot probably depends on us bringing in a goalscorer, or being more clinical up top. We've recruited well in other areas of the team this summer though and a good start for once could give us the belief we can do it.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Aug 6, 2014 8:30:24 GMT
Morning 'gasheads'. Welcome to the conference. I know, like us, you want to be a couple of leagues higher than this hellhole of a league but you may have to be patient. I think the last time a team got promoted in their first season down here after relegation was 1989 or 90. Teams struggle to adapt when down here initially, as much with the mental side of it as anything else. It can't be easy playing in front of 500 fans at some of these village grounds with no atmosphere. And you lot will no doubt be expecting your team to walk over the part-time teams you've never really noticed before like Braintree, Dartford, Welling, Nuneaton and Alfreton. And you will inevitably lose to some of these small teams. In our first season down (and possibly beyond) when we lost to some of these small clubs plenty of fans had the view of "We're Grimsby Town, we shouldn't be losing to the likes of.......". We've probably come to accept now (generally) that we're in the same league as these teams on merit, and although there is still an expectation of us to beat most teams, there isn't the uproar when we don't. There's plenty of historically FL clubs down here now, but we are the scalps for the rest to take as they raise they're game. The standard of football can be mixed. It's been said by many that teams get it down and play more in this league than in League Two. But you also get some very direct, physical teams. One thing that you will pick up on, and will infuriate you, is the timewasting and slowing the game down every time the ball goes out of play tactics that many of the lower sides employ. And the refereeing is worse than anything you'll have seen before, they let them get away with it as well as being shocking. There's always plenty of games postponed in the winter months, and that combined with the FA Trophy games being played on Saturdays (thus causing a lot of league games to be re-arranged) means there's always a fixture pile-up in the last few months. Wenger, Mourinho and co wouldn't be able to cope with the 4 games in 7 days you may have to experience. One of the good things about being down here is being able to visit some decent places. Plenty of new grounds for you to go to with really friendly atmospheres where the fans mix well before and sometimes during the game. Like us, no doubt you will travel in good numbers, but it will not be reciprocated by most. It's a regular sight at Blundell Park seeing 10-25 fans in the away end. Only a few break 100. Anyway all the best, apart from Saturday. Your third paragraph is so true. We've been saying that in League 2 for years and it drives me mad!
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Post by tommygtfc on Aug 6, 2014 8:37:43 GMT
What do you think makes a team that cut above the rest down here? The last 4 teams to win the league have had the division's top goalscorer in their ranks, so that'd be a start I guess. Obviously consistency is required to do well in any league, but the ability to roll your sleeves up and dig out a result away at Braintree on a Tuesday night will show the character needed. A lot of teams play 3 in the middle of the park so you either have to match that up, or make sure you don't get over-run in there. In our first year down here we had 2 CM's that weren't very mobile and we were overrun and easily by-passed by the physical, athletic midfielders that some teams have. If you can't defend set pieces you'll struggle to keep clean sheets in this league. And patience against teams 'parking the bus' is needed - the Crawleys and Fleetwoods of recent years always seemed to get late goals to win games. They also hammered a lot of teams at home too. I don't think there's a stand out favourite for promotion this year so it could be an open race. Hopefully we're involved, I was watching us play for years in the Championship until 10 years ago and am desperate for us to get out of this league at least.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Aug 6, 2014 9:52:24 GMT
If you only knew how many times the opposition scored from a free header last season. It's one thing that worries me as I'm expecting an aerial bombardment from some teams.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Aug 6, 2014 9:57:21 GMT
If you only knew how many times the opposition scored from a free header last season. It's one thing that worries me as I'm expecting an aerial bombardment from some teams. Me too. If we're going to use 3-5-2 as our 'Plan A' this season it may help with defending from set pieces though? Obviously you have the 3 CB's (e.g. Lockyer, McChrystal & Parkes) who should all be competent in the air, our RWB (Leadbitter) is 6ft 1, Monkhouse is 6ft 2, Brunt if 6ft 1. That's 6 players who should be fairly useful defending from set pieces... I know height isn't everything when it comes to winning the ball in the air, but it's got to help.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Aug 6, 2014 10:00:38 GMT
If you only knew how many times the opposition scored from a free header last season. It's one thing that worries me as I'm expecting an aerial bombardment from some teams. Me too. If we're going to use 3-5-2 as our 'Plan A' this season it may help with defending from set pieces though? Obviously you have the 3 CB's (e.g. Lockyer, McChrystal & Parkes) who should all be competent in the air, our RWB (Leadbitter) is 6ft 1, Monkhouse is 6ft 2, Brunt if 6ft 1. That's 6 players who should be fairly useful defending from set pieces... I know height isn't everything when it comes to winning the ball in the air, but it's got to help. We had the three defenders you mention last season though. It's one thing having height but of they don't stick to their man, which happened a lot last season, then we will struggle regardless. So many of our goals conceded away from home were headers.
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Post by welshgas on Aug 6, 2014 10:17:38 GMT
If you only knew how many times the opposition scored from a free header last season. It's one thing that worries me as I'm expecting an aerial bombardment from some teams. The same can be said of the majority of the goals conceded in pre-season. We conceded goals from corners in all three of the friendlies I attended; Gloucester could have had a couple more than they did as well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2014 10:56:53 GMT
Morning 'gasheads'. Welcome to the conference. I know, like us, you want to be a couple of leagues higher than this hellhole of a league but you may have to be patient. I think the last time a team got promoted in their first season down here after relegation was 1989 or 90. Teams struggle to adapt when down here initially, as much with the mental side of it as anything else. It can't be easy playing in front of 500 fans at some of these village grounds with no atmosphere. And you lot will no doubt be expecting your team to walk over the part-time teams you've never really noticed before like Braintree, Dartford, Welling, Nuneaton and Alfreton. And you will inevitably lose to some of these small teams. In our first season down (and possibly beyond) when we lost to some of these small clubs plenty of fans had the view of "We're Grimsby Town, we shouldn't be losing to the likes of.......". We've probably come to accept now (generally) that we're in the same league as these teams on merit, and although there is still an expectation of us to beat most teams, there isn't the uproar when we don't. There's plenty of historically FL clubs down here now, but we are the scalps for the rest to take as they raise they're game. The standard of football can be mixed. It's been said by many that teams get it down and play more in this league than in League Two. But you also get some very direct, physical teams. One thing that you will pick up on, and will infuriate you, is the timewasting and slowing the game down every time the ball goes out of play tactics that many of the lower sides employ. And the refereeing is worse than anything you'll have seen before, they let them get away with it as well as being shocking. There's always plenty of games postponed in the winter months, and that combined with the FA Trophy games being played on Saturdays (thus causing a lot of league games to be re-arranged) means there's always a fixture pile-up in the last few months. Wenger, Mourinho and co wouldn't be able to cope with the 4 games in 7 days you may have to experience. One of the good things about being down here is being able to visit some decent places. Plenty of new grounds for you to go to with really friendly atmospheres where the fans mix well before and sometimes during the game. Like us, no doubt you will travel in good numbers, but it will not be reciprocated by most. It's a regular sight at Blundell Park seeing 10-25 fans in the away end. Only a few break 100. Anyway all the best, apart from Saturday. Welcome tommygtfc,thanks for your very informative post,visits from rival fans are welcomed and encouraged on gaschat! spread the word. What do your fans make of A- ROD switching allegiance to Gateshead btw?
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Post by tommygtfc on Aug 6, 2014 11:13:02 GMT
Morning 'gasheads'. Welcome to the conference. I know, like us, you want to be a couple of leagues higher than this hellhole of a league but you may have to be patient. I think the last time a team got promoted in their first season down here after relegation was 1989 or 90. Teams struggle to adapt when down here initially, as much with the mental side of it as anything else. It can't be easy playing in front of 500 fans at some of these village grounds with no atmosphere. And you lot will no doubt be expecting your team to walk over the part-time teams you've never really noticed before like Braintree, Dartford, Welling, Nuneaton and Alfreton. And you will inevitably lose to some of these small teams. In our first season down (and possibly beyond) when we lost to some of these small clubs plenty of fans had the view of "We're Grimsby Town, we shouldn't be losing to the likes of.......". We've probably come to accept now (generally) that we're in the same league as these teams on merit, and although there is still an expectation of us to beat most teams, there isn't the uproar when we don't. There's plenty of historically FL clubs down here now, but we are the scalps for the rest to take as they raise they're game. The standard of football can be mixed. It's been said by many that teams get it down and play more in this league than in League Two. But you also get some very direct, physical teams. One thing that you will pick up on, and will infuriate you, is the timewasting and slowing the game down every time the ball goes out of play tactics that many of the lower sides employ. And the refereeing is worse than anything you'll have seen before, they let them get away with it as well as being shocking. There's always plenty of games postponed in the winter months, and that combined with the FA Trophy games being played on Saturdays (thus causing a lot of league games to be re-arranged) means there's always a fixture pile-up in the last few months. Wenger, Mourinho and co wouldn't be able to cope with the 4 games in 7 days you may have to experience. One of the good things about being down here is being able to visit some decent places. Plenty of new grounds for you to go to with really friendly atmospheres where the fans mix well before and sometimes during the game. Like us, no doubt you will travel in good numbers, but it will not be reciprocated by most. It's a regular sight at Blundell Park seeing 10-25 fans in the away end. Only a few break 100. Anyway all the best, apart from Saturday. Welcome tommygtfc,thanks for your very informative post,visits from rival fans are welcomed and encouraged on gaschat! spread the word. What do your fans make of A- ROD switching allegiance to Gateshead btw? Well. It was a tricky one. He turned down our contract offer to go and play for Hibs in the SPL. At the time he said it was a good opportunity and he wouldn't have signed for another team in the conference as Grimsby are the best club in the league and he enjoyed it here. Then Hibs manager gets sacked, the deals up in the air for weeks before eventually being dead. We then spoke to him about coming back (I don't know whether a formal offer was made) but he chose to go to Gateshead (managed by Gary Mills, his former boss at York). The suggestion is that by the time his Hibs deal was dead and he spoke to us again, our offer wouldn't have been the same (as high) as it was initially because during that time we had effectively signed his replacement in Jack Mackreth. Perfectly understandable from our budgets point of view. I think it irked a few fans after him saying he wouldn't sign for another conference club when he left us. But as he explained on his twitter, it wasn't planned to turn out how it did and he made the choice he thought was best for him at this time. He would've had to come back on less money but then I can't imagine Gateshead are paying big wages either with their crowds. Think it came down to the Gary Mills factor. He's an excellent manager and gets teams playing good attractive passing football. Rodman is an ex-Futsal player who appreciates and suits that style. Our fans aren't too gutted because although he scored some fantastic goals for us from the wing, he didn't get going until after Christmas. And in Jack Mackreth (someone our fans have wanted us to sign for 2 years) and Nathan Arnold (another quick, clever player) we have signed 2 quality wingers to go with Scott Nielson.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2014 11:28:27 GMT
Welcome tommygtfc,thanks for your very informative post,visits from rival fans are welcomed and encouraged on gaschat! spread the word. What do your fans make of A- ROD switching allegiance to Gateshead btw? Well. It was a tricky one. He turned down our contract offer to go and play for Hibs in the SPL. At the time he said it was a good opportunity and he wouldn't have signed for another team in the conference as Grimsby are the best club in the league and he enjoyed it here. Then Hibs manager gets sacked, the deals up in the air for weeks before eventually being dead. We then spoke to him about coming back (I don't know whether a formal offer was made) but he chose to go to Gateshead (managed by Gary Mills, his former boss at York). The suggestion is that by the time his Hibs deal was dead and he spoke to us again, our offer wouldn't have been the same (as high) as it was initially because during that time we had effectively signed his replacement in Jack Mackreth. Perfectly understandable from our budgets point of view. I think it irked a few fans after him saying he wouldn't sign for another conference club when he left us. But as he explained on his twitter, it wasn't planned to turn out how it did and he made the choice he thought was best for him at this time. He would've had to come back on less money but then I can't imagine Gateshead are paying big wages either with their crowds. Think it came down to the Gary Mills factor. He's an excellent manager and gets teams playing good attractive passing football. Rodman is an ex-Futsal player who appreciates and suits that style. Our fans aren't too gutted because although he scored some fantastic goals for us from the wing, he didn't get going until after Christmas. And in Jack Mackreth (someone our fans have wanted us to sign for 2 years) and Nathan Arnold (another quick, clever player) we have signed 2 quality wingers to go with Scott Nielson. Thanks mate sounds like you have a very understanding bunch of supporters to me,unlike some of our own.I am now actually very scared after you mentioned you've got 3 quality wingers,haven't had one here since muzzy carayol left and are still trying to sign one as we speak.
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Post by tommygtfc on Aug 6, 2014 11:37:56 GMT
Well. It was a tricky one. He turned down our contract offer to go and play for Hibs in the SPL. At the time he said it was a good opportunity and he wouldn't have signed for another team in the conference as Grimsby are the best club in the league and he enjoyed it here. Then Hibs manager gets sacked, the deals up in the air for weeks before eventually being dead. We then spoke to him about coming back (I don't know whether a formal offer was made) but he chose to go to Gateshead (managed by Gary Mills, his former boss at York). The suggestion is that by the time his Hibs deal was dead and he spoke to us again, our offer wouldn't have been the same (as high) as it was initially because during that time we had effectively signed his replacement in Jack Mackreth. Perfectly understandable from our budgets point of view. I think it irked a few fans after him saying he wouldn't sign for another conference club when he left us. But as he explained on his twitter, it wasn't planned to turn out how it did and he made the choice he thought was best for him at this time. He would've had to come back on less money but then I can't imagine Gateshead are paying big wages either with their crowds. Think it came down to the Gary Mills factor. He's an excellent manager and gets teams playing good attractive passing football. Rodman is an ex-Futsal player who appreciates and suits that style. Our fans aren't too gutted because although he scored some fantastic goals for us from the wing, he didn't get going until after Christmas. And in Jack Mackreth (someone our fans have wanted us to sign for 2 years) and Nathan Arnold (another quick, clever player) we have signed 2 quality wingers to go with Scott Nielson. Thanks mate sounds like you have a very understanding bunch of supporters to me,unlike some of our own.I am now actually very scared after you mentioned you've got 3 quality wingers,haven't had one here since muzzy carayol left and are still trying to sign one as we speak. Ha. Apologies if I've given the impression that our fans are a rational bunch full of common sense. It certainly isn't the case and you will see as much on our fishy site forum when we lose a game. Yes we have 3 good wingers now. Just hope they can be consistent because wingers we've had in recent years have been very hit and miss. Scott Nielson is suspended for the first 3 games too after being sent off in the Play-off semi 2nd leg last season. Never a red card though, another example of the shocking refereeing you are about to encounter.
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Post by Lambert's Right Boot on Aug 6, 2014 11:53:30 GMT
Thanks mate sounds like you have a very understanding bunch of supporters to me,unlike some of our own.I am now actually very scared after you mentioned you've got 3 quality wingers,haven't had one here since muzzy carayol left and are still trying to sign one as we speak. Ha. Apologies if I've given the impression that our fans are a rational bunch full of common sense. It certainly isn't the case and you will see as much on our fishy site forum when we lose a game. Yes we have 3 good wingers now. Just hope they can be consistent because wingers we've had in recent years have been very hit and miss. Scott Nielson is suspended for the first 3 games too after being sent off in the Play-off semi 2nd leg last season. Never a red card though, another example of the shocking refereeing you are about to encounter. Watched that game and thought it was a shocking decision, not a red card. It was a good game, though. I have to admit, I did celebrate Disley's goal, it brought back some good memories.
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Post by meader on Aug 6, 2014 13:14:25 GMT
Morning 'gasheads'. Welcome to the conference. I know, like us, you want to be a couple of leagues higher than this hellhole of a league but you may have to be patient. I think the last time a team got promoted in their first season down here after relegation was 1989 or 90. Teams struggle to adapt when down here initially, as much with the mental side of it as anything else. It can't be easy playing in front of 500 fans at some of these village grounds with no atmosphere. And you lot will no doubt be expecting your team to walk over the part-time teams you've never really noticed before like Braintree, Dartford, Welling, Nuneaton and Alfreton. And you will inevitably lose to some of these small teams. In our first season down (and possibly beyond) when we lost to some of these small clubs plenty of fans had the view of "We're Grimsby Town, we shouldn't be losing to the likes of.......". We've probably come to accept now (generally) that we're in the same league as these teams on merit, and although there is still an expectation of us to beat most teams, there isn't the uproar when we don't. There's plenty of historically FL clubs down here now, but we are the scalps for the rest to take as they raise they're game. The standard of football can be mixed. It's been said by many that teams get it down and play more in this league than in League Two. But you also get some very direct, physical teams. One thing that you will pick up on, and will infuriate you, is the timewasting and slowing the game down every time the ball goes out of play tactics that many of the lower sides employ. And the refereeing is worse than anything you'll have seen before, they let them get away with it as well as being shocking. There's always plenty of games postponed in the winter months, and that combined with the FA Trophy games being played on Saturdays (thus causing a lot of league games to be re-arranged) means there's always a fixture pile-up in the last few months. Wenger, Mourinho and co wouldn't be able to cope with the 4 games in 7 days you may have to experience. One of the good things about being down here is being able to visit some decent places. Plenty of new grounds for you to go to with really friendly atmospheres where the fans mix well before and sometimes during the game. Like us, no doubt you will travel in good numbers, but it will not be reciprocated by most. It's a regular sight at Blundell Park seeing 10-25 fans in the away end. Only a few break 100. Anyway all the best, apart from Saturday. I cant wait to go back to Sunny Cleethorpe to see and smell the might Grimsby. Been long time, 1974, when i went for my only time to see the Gas play Grimsby. I bet the grounds not changed much in all those years. So i look forward to going again.
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Post by malmersgas on Aug 6, 2014 16:36:08 GMT
Thanks for the heads up TommyGTFC, hate us being down here, but think we might have some fun in places, and will certainly be an eye opener!
Have fun on Saturday - but not at our expense, please!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2014 17:33:07 GMT
Thanks mate sounds like you have a very understanding bunch of supporters to me,unlike some of our own.I am now actually very scared after you mentioned you've got 3 quality wingers,haven't had one here since muzzy carayol left and are still trying to sign one as we speak. Ha. Apologies if I've given the impression that our fans are a rational bunch full of common sense. It certainly isn't the case and you will see as much on our fishy site forum when we lose a game. Yes we have 3 good wingers now. Just hope they can be consistent because wingers we've had in recent years have been very hit and miss. Scott Nielson is suspended for the first 3 games too after being sent off in the Play-off semi 2nd leg last season. Never a red card though, another example of the shocking refereeing you are about to encounter. I remember reading a Grimsby fans post from when you got relegated,it was funny,sad,angry and was just how i was feeling when we went down,i just wish i could get it off my chest like that. Well good luck for the season after Saturday,really looking forward to seeing Dis back at the Mem
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Post by tommygtfc on Aug 6, 2014 17:51:26 GMT
I remember reading a Grimsby fans post from when you got relegated,it was funny,sad,angry and was just how i was feeling when we went down,i just wish i could get it off my chest like that. Well good luck for the season after Saturday,really looking forward to seeing Dis back at the Mem Ah the famous 'Poojah' rant. The initial one was in the November of the season we were eventually relegated out of the FL. After we were absolutely awful in losing at home in the FA Cup 1st round to then conference side Bath City 0-2. See here: thefishy.co.uk/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1257631840/s-0/Then he did another one, just as impressive, in April of that season, weeks before we were actually relegated from League 2. This one is here: www.thefishy.co.uk/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1271541289/On Disley. Some fans differ in opinions on whether or not he should start for us now. He is an absolute model pro for starters. Last season he seemed to have less involvement in games and wasn't as effective in general play as in previous years, BUT he ended up with 12 goals. His best ever goals total and a great return for a central midfielder.
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