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Post by stapletongas on Aug 10, 2014 9:01:08 GMT
This issue with a 3-5-2 will often look 5-3-2 when you come up against a 4-4-2. In a lot of examples it's inevitable.
If the opposition play two up top then your 3 centre backs are occupied, which means the wing backs get pegged back tracking the opposition wide midfielders and worse still coping with a full back on the overlap.
We also get no width deep in the final third and we saw this yesterday with precious little in those areas till we went 4-4-2.
Not too many use 3-5-2 and there's good reason for that. So why does DC think he can make it work when the majority won't touch it with a barge pole?
I'm baffled and worried by this major tactical decision
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 9:06:08 GMT
Hated 5-3-2 back when Ollie started using it.
Still hate it.
Half decent wingers push on so your wing backs sit back more forcing you to be more defensive than you intended. The front 2 get isolated and the middle 3 overran because the spread out trying to cover the wide midfield areas.
You need great wing backs for it to work with any effect. We don't have them.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Aug 10, 2014 9:40:30 GMT
Agree with the above two posts.
I don't think Grimsby looked like they were particularly special on the flanks, but they still had enough to make sure that Brown and Leadbitter were largely ineffective going forwards.
When we went 4-4-2 we got Gosling and Sinclair into some very advanced positions down the wings, and our fullbacks overlapping them caused Grimsby lots of problems.
I was a big fan of us using 3-5-2 this season as our main formation, but I have to say I don't think the squad is cut out for it. I don't think it suits the likes of Brown, Leadbitter or Monkhouse. Everyone instantly looked more comfortable when we switched to 4-4-2.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 10, 2014 10:48:52 GMT
Agree with the above two posts. I don't think Grimsby looked like they were particularly special on the flanks, but they still had enough to make sure that Brown and Leadbitter were largely ineffective going forwards. When we went 4-4-2 we got Gosling and Sinclair into some very advanced positions down the wings, and our fullbacks overlapping them caused Grimsby lots of problems. I was a big fan of us using 3-5-2 this season as our main formation, but I have to say I don't think the squad is cut out for it. I don't think it suits the likes of Brown, Leadbitter or Monkhouse. Everyone instantly looked more comfortable when we switched to 4-4-2. If DC did plan on going with wing backs this season why did he sign Brown & Leadbitter in the summer? Particularly Brown who's a good FB but seems lost at WB. Gosling also looked wasted sat on the bench for over an hour.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 11:45:46 GMT
Hated 5-3-2 back when Ollie started using it. Still hate it. Half decent wingers push on so your wing backs sit back more forcing you to be more defensive than you intended. The front 2 get isolated and the middle 3 overran because the spread out trying to cover the wide midfield areas. You need great wing backs for it to work with any effect. We don't have them. Totally agree with you and Stapleton. Our wing backs are full backs, they dont have trickery or much capacity in attacking positions and it ends up being 5-3-2. Under Holloway at times it was 8 defensive players but it worked as Roberts and Cureton could beat teams on their own. I think for 5-3-2 to work for us we need more attacking wing backs playing high with a defensive midfielder dropping back to create a back four when the other team counter attack. Will be interesting to see if DC can make this happen or if he will revert to 4-4-2.
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Post by stapletongas on Aug 10, 2014 12:10:42 GMT
The thing I thought was baffling there was that Gosling looks like he's left footed maybe? So why if that's the case, was he on the right with Sinclair on the left? Natural left sided midfielders are not easy to come by, particularly those who are decent for their division, so right backs don't get used to dealing with them.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Aug 10, 2014 13:42:52 GMT
The thing I thought was baffling there was that Gosling looks like he's left footed maybe? So why if that's the case, was he on the right with Sinclair on the left? Natural left sided midfielders are not easy to come by, particularly those who are decent for their division, so right backs don't get used to dealing with them. I didn't mind Gosling on the right tbh. I thought he looked very dangerous cutting in onto his right. He managed to create himself two good attempts on goals by doing this and also nearly threaded a perfect through ball through their defence to put White in on goal. It sounds as if the winger DC is after on loan is a left sided one. So if we have a left footer going down the touchline on the left and Gosling cutting in from the right, it might give us some nice variation on the flanks. I agree about yesterday though, having Sinclair on the opposite wing also cutting in did make us fairly narrow.
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