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Post by BishopstonBRFC on May 19, 2016 20:13:12 GMT
How on earth could they implement this either? If only 8 teams come up from the Conference that obviously means that the bottom 12 teams from the current League 2 would make up the new 5th division. So in theory 12 teams would be relegated that season. I hope to God we aren't in L2 when this crap is enforced.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on May 19, 2016 20:16:20 GMT
Plus the 8 Conference teams that finish in the top 9 that season will be promoted from the 5th tier into the 5th tier. That seems fair.
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Post by Topper Gas on May 19, 2016 20:28:08 GMT
How on earth could they implement this either? If only 8 teams come up from the Conference that obviously means that the bottom 12 teams from the current League 2 would make up the new 5th division. So in theory 12 teams would be relegated that season. I hope to God we aren't in L2 when this crap is enforced. So the present 23 Div 2 teams are voting to be potentiually playing 5th tier football in a couple of years time and the present Div 1 sides are voting to potentially lose the income form 4 home games. The only advantage is they will be playing less games, if that's all they want why don't they scrap the pointless JPT mid week cup games but when did any lower league club complain they are playing too many games/suffering from fixture congestion?
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Post by gasincider on May 19, 2016 20:40:18 GMT
If it's to benefit our national side I'm all for it.
It's easy to set up. On implementation, the bottom 11 in the premier league go down, and just the three from the championship go up. Then when all other promotion and relegation issues in the other divisions are sorted, divide the remainder into 5 divisions of 20 teams. Then ignore the rest of the poor teams in the conference apart from the normal promotion as is now.
There we are, sorted. The Premiership will no longer have a problem with fixture congestion as they will only be playing 22 league games, so they can all have Christmas off, in fact have January and February off.
Oops, hang on though, now it's them who lose money. No scrap that idea.
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Post by aghast on May 19, 2016 20:45:58 GMT
So the bottom 4 in the Championship go into League 1 and therefore the bottom 8 in League 1 go into League 2 as the pack shuffles downwards?
I have faith in DC and Wael keeping us out of this maelstrom. OTIB must be sh*tting a brick.
Terrible idea though. How will 8 fewer matches a season benefit the finances of anyone?
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on May 20, 2016 5:50:17 GMT
I've never heard anyone complain of fixture pile ups to be honest. We all know there's a lot of games. We're used to it. What wateres people off is when we unnecessarily get sent to Hartlepool on a Tuesday night and vice versa.
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Post by peterparker on May 20, 2016 7:34:55 GMT
So the bottom 4 in the Championship go into League 1 and therefore the bottom 8 in League 1 go into League 2 as the pack shuffles downwards? I have faith in DC and Wael keeping us out of this maelstrom. OTIB must be sh*tting a brick. Terrible idea though. How will 8 fewer matches a season benefit the finances of anyone? it won't be 8 fewer games with the revamped FLT. If the fans turned up for those instead of staying away....
also less pointless end of season games with nothing on them
it will be the devil in the detail, but I don't see masses wrong with it. The league system has changed over 130 years why not another change?
65 out of 72 have to vote for it so if they did they must see the benefit. no more Carlisle to Plymouth or Bristol to Hartlepool etc on a Tuesday night which benefits whom?
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Post by Topper Gas on May 20, 2016 7:50:20 GMT
So the bottom 4 in the Championship go into League 1 and therefore the bottom 8 in League 1 go into League 2 as the pack shuffles downwards? I have faith in DC and Wael keeping us out of this maelstrom. OTIB must be sh*tting a brick. Terrible idea though. How will 8 fewer matches a season benefit the finances of anyone? it won't be 8 fewer games with the revamped FLT. If the fans turned up for those instead of staying away....
also less pointless end of season games with nothing on them
it will be the devil in the detail, but I don't see masses wrong with it. The league system has changed over 130 years why not another change?
65 out of 72 have to vote for it so if they did they must see the benefit. no more Carlisle to Plymouth or Bristol to Hartlepool etc on a Tuesday night which benefits whom?
The big worry for us is where Rovers would finish up in the new pryamid one bad season and we could be back in the 4th tier, get ourselves relagated followed by a poor season and we could be back in the 5th tier! As far as pointless end of season games surely they'll always happen regardless of how many game a team plays but most Div 2 sides this season were involved in a play off/relagation battle until at least mid April ? Regardless he seems non the Fl clubs were aware of the pklans so it seems unlikley to be voted though in June in any event.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on May 20, 2016 7:54:52 GMT
So the bottom 4 in the Championship go into League 1 and therefore the bottom 8 in League 1 go into League 2 as the pack shuffles downwards? I have faith in DC and Wael keeping us out of this maelstrom. OTIB must be sh*tting a brick. Terrible idea though. How will 8 fewer matches a season benefit the finances of anyone? it won't be 8 fewer games with the revamped FLT. If the fans turned up for those instead of staying away....
also less pointless end of season games with nothing on them
it will be the devil in the detail, but I don't see masses wrong with it. The league system has changed over 130 years why not another change?
65 out of 72 have to vote for it so if they did they must see the benefit. no more Carlisle to Plymouth or Bristol to Hartlepool etc on a Tuesday night which benefits whom?
Not really sure what you're arguing for. 'If we had more games where more people turned up to watch, then we wouldn't have fewer games where fewer people turned up,' And 'there's nothing wrong with change.' That's pretty self-evident, but nothing to do with these proposals, afaict.
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Post by peterparker on May 20, 2016 8:18:00 GMT
it won't be 8 fewer games with the revamped FLT. If the fans turned up for those instead of staying away....
also less pointless end of season games with nothing on them
it will be the devil in the detail, but I don't see masses wrong with it. The league system has changed over 130 years why not another change?
65 out of 72 have to vote for it so if they did they must see the benefit. no more Carlisle to Plymouth or Bristol to Hartlepool etc on a Tuesday night which benefits whom?
Not really sure what you're arguing for. 'If we had more games where more people turned up to watch, then we wouldn't have fewer games where fewer people turned up,' And 'there's nothing wrong with change.' That's pretty self-evident, but nothing to do with these proposals, afaict. only saying I don't think the changes should be dismissed out of hand.
I don't see anything inherently wrong with standardising the league system.
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Post by tommym9 on May 20, 2016 8:21:31 GMT
This bit caught my eye:
Relegation from the Football League would be scrapped in the 2018-19 season
I don't want to go back to the days when teams are voted into the league. If a non-league team has done well enough to win their top division they deserve to be promoted
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Post by Antonio Fargas on May 20, 2016 8:24:28 GMT
Not really sure what you're arguing for. 'If we had more games where more people turned up to watch, then we wouldn't have fewer games where fewer people turned up,' And 'there's nothing wrong with change.' That's pretty self-evident, but nothing to do with these proposals, afaict. only saying I don't think the changes should be dismissed out of hand.
I don't see anything inherently wrong with standardising the league system.
Yeah, I agree. But istm there's no reason to change unless they give some good reasons to. And the reasons they have given are just bullshit, istm. I don't know why they have introduced it like they have, but they clearly don't want to give the real reason for the changes, coz the reasons they have given don't make any sense at all. They just sound like politicians talking down to everyone. 'It's for England.' 'More people will come to games.' 'More games on a Saturday.' It's nonsense.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on May 20, 2016 8:25:36 GMT
This bit caught my eye: Relegation from the Football League would be scrapped in the 2018-19 seasonI don't want to go back to the days when teams are voted into the league. If a non-league team has done well enough to win their top division they deserve to be promoted Yeah, I would think that's just for that one season, coz they would need to get 8 extra teams in the league, so it wouldn't make sense to relegate anyone.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on May 20, 2016 8:26:45 GMT
I'll have a tenner with you that as soon as they cut fixtures in the prem they will fill the spare time with midseason overseas friendly games.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2016 8:28:30 GMT
only saying I don't think the changes should be dismissed out of hand.
I don't see anything inherently wrong with standardising the league system.
Yeah, I agree. But istm there's no reason to change unless they give some good reasons to. And the reasons they have given are just bullshit, istm. I don't know why they have introduced it like they have, but they clearly don't want to give the real reason for the changes, coz the reasons they have given don't make any sense at all. They just sound like politicians talking down to everyone. 'It's for England.' 'More people will come to games.' 'More games on a Saturday.' It's nonsense. I personally think the reasons for the change are to introduce B teams from the Prem, plus allow the introduction of Rangers & Celtic into the league system.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on May 20, 2016 8:30:24 GMT
I'll have a tenner with you that as soon as they cut fixtures in the prem they will fill the spare time with midseason overseas friendly games. Yeah, the only teams complaining about fixture congestion are the ones who play 14 Champions League games every year, anyway. Not sure why losing 8 third tier games will help with that. I suppose it will give all the England internationals who currently play in the third tier a chance for some well-earned rest.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2016 8:34:15 GMT
I'll have a tenner with you that as soon as they cut fixtures in the prem they will fill the spare time with midseason overseas friendly games. Got to agree with you. Here in Germany, they have a winter break, but the reality is that the players don't really get a break. They may have one week off at home with the family, but they then have to return to training. Most clubs in the Bundesliga head for the Middle East. Don't forget, before resuming the league programme, the teams have to play friendlies again. It's just like the pre-season. German teams play against each other in places like Dubai. Bayern obviously head for the Far East where they can earn mega-bucks playing games. The mid-winter break is a myth. With fewer games in the Prem, the teams will head off around the world to play in meaningless fixtures, designed just to earn money for the corporate clubs.
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Post by peterparker on May 20, 2016 8:36:01 GMT
This bit caught my eye: Relegation from the Football League would be scrapped in the 2018-19 seasonI don't want to go back to the days when teams are voted into the league. If a non-league team has done well enough to win their top division they deserve to be promoted that just mean that x number of teams will be promoted from the conference depending on what was agreed. presumably with whatever relegation format is agree with the conference. but I guess staying at 2 up 2 down as it stands the following season
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Post by peterparker on May 20, 2016 8:38:13 GMT
only saying I don't think the changes should be dismissed out of hand.
I don't see anything inherently wrong with standardising the league system.
Yeah, I agree. But istm there's no reason to change unless they give some good reasons to. And the reasons they have given are just bullshit, istm. I don't know why they have introduced it like they have, but they clearly don't want to give the real reason for the changes, coz the reasons they have given don't make any sense at all. They just sound like politicians talking down to everyone. 'It's for England.' 'More people will come to games.' 'More games on a Saturday.' It's nonsense. I agree the reasoning is a load of BS. they would be better saying they want to standardise the format and revamp the FLT and leave it at that. no bollox about England team benefitting
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Post by midlandgas213 on May 20, 2016 9:05:49 GMT
Be better to get rid of the premier league and go back to divisions 1234 and spread the coach about evenly the top clubs are too big for their boots and want to keep everything to themselves
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