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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2016 19:57:00 GMT
Other than the past two years which have been amazing, the Trolls years were my favourite time as a Gashead in the 40 odd I've been a fan. Can't put my finger on why but it just felt good more often than not. Probably down solely to Lambert's goals? Would have been a brilliant move by LL/PT if they had signed Lambert but apparently our ex Chairman signed him as the other two were dithering. As far as LL surely he should be thinking of retirement at 68 years old? Lol didn't take long. Trolls signed all the sh**e players and the board signed the good ones, honest bananaman said so, so it must be true eh?
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Post by youmadethatup on Jul 9, 2016 20:13:04 GMT
Off of a string of well known managers Gerry Francis, Ian Atkins , ray Graydon who were experienced and successful but who were complete disasters at BRFC ,followed by stand in guys like Garry Thompson,phil bater , Russell Osman who at best won a small run of games. The upgrade of PT from player to head coach with LL coming in as D.O.F. was the best thing to happen since the good 3/4 season under holloway which itself ended in disaster including that final day game at already relegated Cardiff. BRFC had a moderate but safe season which suddenly hit a great goal scoring run that saw rovers hit the playoffs last minute and continue with conviction through the playoffs to promotion.This was followed by a couple of seasons of safety back in league one ,which was a relief after the (what we thought of at the time) worst and most embarrassing years in BRFC history......who was to know we could even trump that ! The promotion year also saw a j.p.trophy final against Doncaster. Rovers playing at the millennium and Wembley in the same season. A great facup run saw rovers knock out Southampton but lose against wba in the quarter finals.Equalling rovers best ever fa cup success.
It would seem the running of the club was not being handled overly well which may have contributed to a poorer final season for pt and without his mentor all alongside things looked shaky so he was sacked....and didn't we do well from then !......sarcasm alert.
Pt obviously learnt a lot in that time and has good experience coaching at other clubs (Norwich,brum ? ) As well as with those euro flops wales. I would always be happy with pt as part of a coaching set up ,whether as a stand alone manager time will tell. Always seemed a nice and genuine bloke ,probably not cocky enough for some people's liking and perhaps might need to develop a more ruthless and hard side for some people too.
If Cardiff fans have some patience he could build a decent squad of players that could push on , will he get that patience though ?
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Post by oldgas on Jul 9, 2016 20:14:43 GMT
As long as L L is behind Trollope you'll never know how good or bad he is. When L L eventually moves on then you will see Trolls shortcomings in all their glory. Boring, one-dimensional football then Mogadon-derived post match analysis following which you will wonder i f you had just watched the same game.
"We play better without the ball" and "we need to look after the ball better" and "We showed good energy" will be phrases you will become horribly used to hearing within a short space of time.
Best of luck!
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Post by aghast on Jul 9, 2016 21:08:36 GMT
Other than the past two years which have been amazing, the Trolls years were my favourite time as a Gashead in the 40 odd I've been a fan. Can't put my finger on why but it just felt good more often than not. Probably down solely to Lambert's goals? Would have been a brilliant move by LL/PT if they had signed Lambert but apparently our ex Chairman signed him as the other two were dithering. As far as LL surely he should be thinking of retirement at 68 years old? You could of course argue a similar point about DC if he didn't have Matty.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2016 21:15:41 GMT
well this poster called darrell clarke clueless and matty taylor useless so this is a massive complement to trollope
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Post by BlueQuarter on Jul 9, 2016 21:35:05 GMT
Q: Paul Trollope was relatively young when you appointed him, at the age of just thirty three, how did you react initally to this decision being made, was he playing for regularly when this decision was made? A: I was pleased that the board were willing to go in a different direction. We had experienced a few managers who failed to live up to expectation. The hotseat was beginning to become something of a poisoned chalice, and so a young, hungry coach with new ideas was a welcome approach to bring the fire back.
Q: Trollope lost more games than he won as Bristol Rovers manager, do you regard his time at you club, a success, a failure or in between? A: On the field was for the main part a success. Final of FL Trophy and Promotion via play offs in first full season. Quarter finals of the FA Cup. Respectable positions in League One. Several scalps against bigger opposition. Nobody was going to be fixated with win ratios if the club appeared to be moving forward. The departure of Lennie Lawrence was the beginning of the end of that success. The board had earlier made much of a 'five year plan to reach the Championship'. The problem was that the state that the club was in off the field wouldn't make this sustainable. The club was making significant losses year on year and one characteristic in the last year of Trollope's reign was a lack of squad depth and over reliance on the loan market.
Q: Over the span of five years, did Trollope remain with the same tactics or did he change things as time passed? How would you describe his style of football? A: As would be expected by a player influenced by Jean Tigana, Trollope liked his team to play an attractive passing game with wide men getting forward in support. Shame that rugby was still played at the Mem in those days as the playing surface didn't always suit it. Trollope mainly preferred playing a 4-4-2 with a 4-3-3 also being deployed at times, however the character of the attacking play changed when Rickie Lambert was sold. We had to find a way to compete well without a front man with a big presence. In the last few months of the Trollope era we played mainly with two strikers under 5"10. As can be imagined we had to play a snappier game along the deck. Cue mixed results with a lot of questionable defending.
Q:The most well known transfer that Paul Trollope made was the signing of Rickie Lambert, signing for £200,000. Scoring 51 goals in 128 appearances before a move to Southampton for £1m. Was Trollope astute in the transfer market, did he make more signings that benefitted the club financially? Or signings that proved their worth on the pitch? A: I'd say that transfer activity was poor overall and one of the main causes of our failures. We signed many players who failed to live up to billing and either never performed or were injury prone. I recall how Dominic Blizzard was supposed to blow us away! Even players that showed early promise appeared to fade after Lambert was sold. One thing I would say was that with Trollope there was little room for sentiment. You could be the best player in your position one season then be gone the next.
Q: How influential was Lennie Lawrence to Trollope? Could fans notice this or were things behind closed doors? A: Hard to say. In the early days Lawrence's presence and influence was more evident. As time went on it was clear that Trollope wanted to have greater control over things. Q: What would you say Trollope's relationship was with the fans, did he make the effort? Did he say things that pleased you? A: I recall Trollope being very professional and matter of fact at times. He was usually able to find positives in defeats. He didn't blame the fans or alienate them unlike other other managers we've had. He knew the importance of trying to please the fans with attacking football but this didn't seem to arrest the falling attendances.
Q: What was his stance on bringing in youth players, local talent to be precise. Did he go for experience over youth or did he have a mixture? A: I would say that Trollope had a positive attitude towards bringing young players through or bringing in promising players from other clubs. His squads as a whole were mixed with youth and experience.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Jul 9, 2016 23:56:51 GMT
Things went downhill after LL left but I still believe had we kept the faith with PT we would have survived that year. He got us to a FAC Quarter final one year, Play off final and JPT final in his first year. Transfers were really hit and miss. Interview wise when it got tough he seemed to say a lot of stuff that sounded like it came from "A book of reasons why we lost". "Bad pitch, not our day" etc.
Trolls is clearly sought highly of as a coach as Chris Hughton took him to both Norwich and Birmingham.
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Post by stigofthegas on Jul 10, 2016 3:01:21 GMT
He will relegate you or be sacked bye Christmas, nowhere near good enough to be in charge of a championship team. I can't agree with this. PT as coach and LL as DoF worked well for us and PT struggled when LL left. But that was several years ago and PT has had some great experience in the meantime. Wales were a fantastically well organised team and PT is massively respected there. I think he is ready for the championship now but it was a really interesting move to reach for his old comfort blanket in LL. One of the requirements of a great leader is to recognise and compensate for your weaknesses. If that's what he has done then good on him. I think it's a great appointment for Cardiff and the PT/LL combination could be brilliant. I hope it is
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 10, 2016 6:18:15 GMT
Great appointment? It's taken us until this coming season to sort out the mess PT/LL left the club in. PT/LL bought success by spending £1m+ more than they brought in each season, got a bit lucky with Lambert's goals but once he moved on there was no Plan B. Once we were relegated all the high earners had to go, as debts had spiralled out of control and we eventually finished up playing Conference football for the first time in our history.
A good manager would have taken Lambert's transfer funds and made us into a decent Div 1 side, PT/LL just wasted the money.
Perhaps PT's learnt from miss mistakes but his period as manager was the start of the worse spell in Rovers history for the last 50 years.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 10, 2016 8:02:37 GMT
Great appointment? It's taken us until this coming season to sort out the mess PT/LL left the club in. PT/LL bought success by spending £1m+ more than they brought in each season, got a bit lucky with Lambert's goals but once he moved on there was no Plan B. Once we were relegated all the high earners had to go, as debts had spiralled out of control and we eventually finished up playing Conference football for the first time in our history. A good manager would have taken Lambert's transfer funds and made us into a decent Div 1 side, PT/LL just wasted the money. Perhaps PT's learnt from miss mistakes but his period as manager was the start of the worse spell in Rovers history for the last 50 years. Who was the Chairman during that same period and what's happened since he left?
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 10, 2016 12:59:39 GMT
He was also the Chairman in the Conference & the majority of last season? I guess DC proved NH wasn't fully to blame for our demise which started under LL/ PT once they failed to replace the likes of Lambert, Disley, Elliott & the aging Campbell.
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Post by baggins on Jul 10, 2016 13:02:05 GMT
Great appointment? It's taken us until this coming season to sort out the mess PT/LL left the club in. PT/LL bought success by spending £1m+ more than they brought in each season, got a bit lucky with Lambert's goals but once he moved on there was no Plan B. Once we were relegated all the high earners had to go, as debts had spiralled out of control and we eventually finished up playing Conference football for the first time in our history. A good manager would have taken Lambert's transfer funds and made us into a decent Div 1 side, PT/LL just wasted the money. Perhaps PT's learnt from miss mistakes but his period as manager was the start of the worse spell in Rovers history for the last 50 years. Who was the Chairman during that same period and what's happened since he left? Toilets are better.
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Post by newmarketgas on Jul 10, 2016 13:12:10 GMT
Great appointment? It's taken us until this coming season to sort out the mess PT/LL left the club in. PT/LL bought success by spending £1m+ more than they brought in each season, got a bit lucky with Lambert's goals but once he moved on there was no Plan B. Once we were relegated all the high earners had to go, as debts had spiralled out of control and we eventually finished up playing Conference football for the first time in our history. A good manager would have taken Lambert's transfer funds and made us into a decent Div 1 side, PT/LL just wasted the money. Perhaps PT's learnt from miss mistakes but his period as manager was the start of the worse spell in Rovers history for the last 50 years. Who was the Chairman during that same period and what's happened since he left? We now know the set up for planes landing ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2016 12:14:33 GMT
Went well.
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