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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 6, 2016 12:11:55 GMT
After reading almost all the threads on this subject, I have come to the conclusion that the reality of a new stadium at UWE is now over, and a new stadium will not be built. It is now almost 4 years since the approvals for the UWE Stadium and the Sainsburys supermarket. Once the Sainsburys deal was finally dead, it was obvious that problems would occur with the UWE project. Where do we go from here? I can see the Gas playing at the mem for at least a further 10 years. Unless money is spent on upgrading the Mem, the stadium will fall further into decline. After all, it must be one of the, if not, the worse ground in league 1. Major investment is needed - and soon. People may say just have faith in the new owners. But the cost of building a new stadium now, will be at least a mimimum of £50m. Time is running out to find a area of land large enough to build a football stadium and car parks. if nothing happens in the next 6 - 12 months, we could see the gradual decline of Bristol Rovers as a football club. We haven't had a big stadium for over half a century now. IMO we wont decline as a club if nothing is built in 6 months time. Problem is if nothing is built, or at least a start date announced, within the next 6 months then it could be 6 years plus before we are playing in a new stadium? Seems fans are happy to mow write off the UWE development because they haven't had an update for a month or so, but until Wael suggests talks have stopped, or reached stalemate, you have to live in hope.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 6, 2016 12:15:01 GMT
Hope is all this club has left
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Post by beaver132 on Sept 6, 2016 12:18:05 GMT
When Pandora opened the box, entrusted to her by the Gods she let loose all the ills of the world, and hope. Hope is the killer.
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Post by socrates on Sept 6, 2016 12:20:31 GMT
After seeing Cardiffs stadium first hand and imagining a carbon copy at 80% of the size, I'll be glad when UWE is officially given the chop. Better design pls. I thought the UWE plans were based on Brighton's ground what's Cardiff's got to do with it? I've always thought it looks more like Swanseas ground inside than anything else. Nothing like Brightons.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 6, 2016 12:24:27 GMT
Hope is all this club has left Looks like some of us don't even have that left!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 12:30:53 GMT
Ahh hope. Every night I get into bed with it. Unfortunately it soon evaporates.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 6, 2016 12:34:30 GMT
Ahh hope. Every night I get into bed with it. Unfortunately it soon evaporates. I got some blue pills and a good film to help you out there balders
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 12:43:55 GMT
Ahh hope. Every night I get into bed with it. Unfortunately it soon evaporates. I got some blue pills and a good film to help you out there balders Only certain films get me going nowadays. As for blue pills I snorted one once. Had brain freeze for a week.
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Post by pucklegas on Sept 6, 2016 12:57:53 GMT
After reading almost all the threads on this subject, I have come to the conclusion that the reality of a new stadium at UWE is now over, and a new stadium will not be built. It is now almost 4 years since the approvals for the UWE Stadium and the Sainsburys supermarket. Once the Sainsburys deal was finally dead, it was obvious that problems would occur with the UWE project. Where do we go from here? I can see the Gas playing at the mem for at least a further 10 years. Unless money is spent on upgrading the Mem, the stadium will fall further into decline. After all, it must be one of the, if not, the worse ground in league 1. Major investment is needed - and soon. People may say just have faith in the new owners. But the cost of building a new stadium now, will be at least a mimimum of £50m. Time is running out to find a area of land large enough to build a football stadium and car parks. if nothing happens in the next 6 - 12 months, we could see the gradual decline of Bristol Rovers as a football club. Does anyone have a noose I can borrow? BRSC are running free coaches to Dignitas, but Eagle have made no promises that you will arrive in time!
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 6, 2016 14:11:01 GMT
Some people. have teased on here about the new site being at Lyde green, Wael has not had this project very long and has employed reputable men to get the job done, it's just the wait after wait from the Higgs reign that has frustrated us I think and we need to be patient but we are tarnished by false hopes and artists impressions! I don't reckon the site that's being speculated on is big enough - everywhere apart from a site which had planning for a gym is being built on already. That said, planning permission had been applied for a bigger lidl, McDonald's and a pub and it was cancelled down unexpectedly so you never know.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Sept 6, 2016 15:04:28 GMT
Can I remind everyone of a quote from Steve Hamer soon after the takeover regarding the stadium: 'The longer we can stay in the planning stage, the better.' I'm not saying that everything is definitely hunky dory but there is more than one possible reason for a delay to any statement. It doesn't nesessarily mean that UWE have pulled the plug. This is a deal that both sides want to get right. Whilst probably Rovers want more from the deal than was proposed under Higgs, it is also true that the new owners can offer more in other ways to the UWE, so finding a compromise may not be as impossible as some think, even if the finer details take a long time to settle on.
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Post by pilninggas on Sept 6, 2016 16:36:51 GMT
If UWE is done (presumably due to disagreement on the freehold), then isn't it time to copy the mob in BS3 and just redevelop the Mem? Do a side at a time with the larger stands done in the off-season.
It's a damn shame the upgraded mem plans have long since expired; it had accomodation (possible hotel), local services and looked pretty good. Although we were earmarked to go temporarily to Whaddon Road, there must be some capacity to do a similar project in phases and keep playing at home (with major works between may and july).
I hope the board are re-examining the Mem, if UWE is a no go.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 6, 2016 16:50:56 GMT
The re-developed Mem capacity was restricted to 18,000 with virtually no car parking, being mainly funded by student accommodation, which no longer seem to fall into line with our new owners plans for the club. Plus there's now the added complication that BCC may well no longer grant the club pp for re-development of the Mem.
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Post by countygroundhotel on Sept 6, 2016 17:25:49 GMT
Can I remind everyone of a quote from Steve Hamer soon after the takeover regarding the stadium: 'The longer we can stay in the planning stage, the better.' I'm not saying that everything is definitely hunky dory but there is more than one possible reason for a delay to any statement. It doesn't nesessarily mean that UWE have pulled the plug. This is a deal that both sides want to get right. Whilst probably Rovers want more from the deal than was proposed under Higgs, it is also true that the new owners can offer more in other ways to the UWE, so finding a compromise may not be as impossible as some think, even if the finer details take a long time to settle on. So if we stay in the planning stage forever the world is our oyster?
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Post by xplosivgas on Sept 6, 2016 18:04:24 GMT
Normally (in the past, at least) whenever there's a forum meltdown and/or wild speculation flying around the club either nips it in the bud or begrudgingly provides an update. It seems on this occasion we're being left to stew in our own juices.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 6, 2016 18:45:28 GMT
"whenever there's a forum meltdown and/or wild speculation flying around the club"
Not sure there's either TBH at present, isn't this thread popular at the moment because there's no football to talk about? Regardless if there's no updates to supply, or an announcement is imminent, there's not a lot the club can announce which will pacify some inpatient fans, although surely something will be said at tomorrow night's Q&A?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 19:21:41 GMT
"whenever there's a forum meltdown and/or wild speculation flying around the club" Not sure there's either TBH at present, isn't this thread popular at the moment because there's no football to talk about? Regardless if there's no updates to supply, or an announcement is imminent, there's not a lot the club can announce which will pacify some inpatient fans, although surely something will be said at tomorrow night's Q&A? indeed. Let's remember this forum is independent of the club and thankfully uncensored. Views here may or may not be indicative of club intentions. We would all do well to remember this. There will be reasons for the lack of news regarding the stadium and we must respect that.
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Post by xplosivgas on Sept 6, 2016 19:24:15 GMT
"whenever there's a forum meltdown and/or wild speculation flying around the club" Not sure there's either TBH at present, isn't this thread popular at the moment because there's no football to talk about? Regardless if there's no updates to supply, or an announcement is imminent, there's not a lot the club can announce which will pacify some inpatient fans, although surely something will be said at tomorrow night's Q&A? I was perhaps exadurating slightly with 'forum meltdown', but I would've thought there's been enough irritation amongst the fans here and on social media to warrant an update or a holding response at least from the club. As you say though, we should have at least something to go on after tomorrow. Even an awkward silence on the subject will be very telling.
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Post by chippenhamgas on Sept 6, 2016 19:26:46 GMT
I find myself in the strange position of putting a positive spin on the negativity that this thread is descending into but i'm pretty sure wael isn't hanging around to own a team who play in one of the worst grounds in the football league. I know nothing about what's going on but i think we can read between the lines. Hamer has been told to keep quiet after the last comment sparked speculation, i think the board now know how sensitive this issue is and the history behind it. They are also going to be careful not to release any negative information without positive information about an alternative plan. I think uwe is dead but think there's other stuff going on. Maybe we'll get something at the q&a this week but my guess is we will have to wait until after xmas. I'm guessing the current state of play is wael negotiating a price on a piece of land and sounding out development of a wide area with leisure and housing. This project could end up being bigger than any of us thought.
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Post by youmadethatup on Sept 6, 2016 19:34:16 GMT
It has been mentioned that if rovers are not planning on a stadium at uwe then uwe would announce this. This changes completely if the uwe /BRFC partnership continues , it could be other projects will happen . For example a training camp or academy on the stadium site instead in partnership with uwe. Uwe may wish to be partof a new stadium deal at another location . Uwe may be part of other projects involving BRFC or WAQ, If all these things are in discussion and planning then confidentiality is important. On the other hand in six months time the new owners will have been here a year....so is it unrealistic that new owners who want to makes changes to design ,funding and deals want to take a year to do this ? Especially after announcing almost straight away that they don't want to rush into a build
A stadium will happen.....an academy will happen....a training camp will happen......
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