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Post by Icegas on Aug 23, 2016 0:28:40 GMT
Steve Elliott slightly but as others have said Lockyer has the potential to be better, I do think however the partnership of Lockyer and Hartley could be better than lescott and Elliott however it's probably to early to tell on that one. Aaron Lescott was a centre midfielder turned right back.A very good one at that!
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Post by Dr Gas on Aug 23, 2016 2:15:28 GMT
For me it has to be Tom Lockyer; He is only 21 and has such a great future ahead of him. I think he will surpass anything that Steve Elliot achieved. BUT I do not want to seem to be diminishing Steve Elliott's position in Rovers history. He was a fantastic player for u. His love of the Gas became very clear when he attended the open top bus tour rather than attend his beloved Derby County's play-off final against West Brom (which they won, thereby probably gave him one of the best footballing weeks of his life)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 7:40:48 GMT
Neither Elliot or Lockyer are/were the best Rovers centre halfs for decades. Andy Tilson,Steve Yates and the best centre half I have seen in a Rovers shirt Sir Gary Mabbutt were head and shoulders above those two. But of the two mentioned,Lockyer by a mile. Now, don't know for sure cos age does funny things to you but I'm pretty sure Mabbutt played most of his 100 games for us in midfield !? Anyone older or with a better memory can you help ? 100% correct.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 23, 2016 7:53:16 GMT
Steve Elliott slightly but as others have said Lockyer has the potential to be better, I do think however the partnership of Lockyer and Hartley could be better than lescott and Elliott however it's probably to early to tell on that one. Aaron Lescott was a centre midfielder turned right back.A very good one at that! Craig Hinton was surely Elliott's main CB partner with Bryon Anthony later on? Lockyer as the potential to go on and be the best CB since Tillson & Yates but it's still early days.
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Post by axegas on Aug 23, 2016 9:06:25 GMT
Steve Elliott slightly but as others have said Lockyer has the potential to be better, I do think however the partnership of Lockyer and Hartley could be better than lescott and Elliott however it's probably to early to tell on that one. Aaron Lescott was a centre midfielder turned right back.A very good one at that! My mistake! Think I meant Byron Anthony.
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Post by youmadethatup on Aug 23, 2016 18:05:12 GMT
Neither Elliot or Lockyer are/were the best Rovers centre halfs for decades. Andy Tilson,Steve Yates and the best centre half I have seen in a Rovers shirt Sir Gary Mabbutt were head and shoulders above those two. But of the two mentioned,Lockyer by a mile. Now, don't know for sure cos age does funny things to you but I'm pretty sure Mabbutt played most of his 100 games for us in midfield !? Anyone older or with a better memory can you help ? I seem to recall G.M. being a sub quite a lot ,and playing in various positions. He was still young and finding his way but obviously his abilities were enough for Spurs to come knocking. It could be argued any of the central defenders who played at championship level (or equivilant name) are better than tom Lockyer as he is YET to prove himself at that level. With just 3 games under his belt at league one it could be argued any former league one rovers defender who played regular is better than TL . Steve foster Geoff Twentyman and Andy Thomson for starters. TL is a very promising player who has performed very well until now time will tell how far he can grow.
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Post by justin blue on Aug 23, 2016 18:06:28 GMT
Neither Elliot or Lockyer are/were the best Rovers centre halfs for decades. Andy Tilson,Steve Yates and the best centre half I have seen in a Rovers shirt Sir Gary Mabbutt were head and shoulders above those two. But of the two mentioned,Lockyer by a mile. Now, don't know for sure cos age does funny things to you but I'm pretty sure Mabbutt played most of his 100 games for us in midfield !? Anyone older or with a better memory can you help ? He played in several positions, but I would never have classed him as an out and out centre back while he was with rovers.
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Post by youmadethatup on Aug 23, 2016 18:17:26 GMT
Gary Mabbut played 131 games and scored 10 goals by the age of about 21 obviously BRFC were in a higher division than during the TL years but there are some similarities. Hopefully Tom doesn't play so well tonight that chelsea who are short of defenders come and buy him !
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Mar 10, 2018 18:51:37 GMT
Couple of seasons later and I'd say Tom is bubbling away quite nicely. Welsh cap in the bag, leading his side, who are now a well established League 1 outfit. Successfully come out of his first real loss of form, showing bags of character along the way. Keep up the rate of progress and he'll go a long way further in the game imho.
As for the original comparison:
League appearances for the Gas only:
Steve Elliott: 218 games, 17 goals Tom Lockyer: 197 games, 3 goals
At the same age (23) Elliott had made far fewer appearances (around 50) but they had come in the premiership for Derby. You could argue that the trajectory of his career went downhill ever after, even though he was a mighty effective player in the lower leagues. Let's hope Locks' career continues on the up.
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Post by gasheadbatesy on Mar 10, 2018 19:07:09 GMT
Steve Elliott all day everyday. Lockyer not even half as good as steve Elliott.
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Post by smudge1 on Mar 10, 2018 19:18:33 GMT
Elliott cos he's f##cking brilliant!!
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Post by markczgas on Mar 10, 2018 19:19:51 GMT
Tom Broadbent ! can be better than Steve Elliott for sure.
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Post by tbonegas on Mar 10, 2018 19:23:27 GMT
Steve Elliott all day everyday. Lockyer not even half as good as steve Elliott. 100% agree. The only element where undroppable Tom is better than Elliot was. Is his ability to recover and get last ditch tackles in. Lockyer is never s threat from set pieces, cannot pass the ball and his heading leaves a lot to be desired.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Mar 10, 2018 19:37:21 GMT
Steve Elliott all day everyday. Lockyer not even half as good as steve Elliott. 100% agree. The only element where undroppable Tom is better than Elliot was. Is his ability to recover and get last ditch tackles in. Lockyer is never s threat from set pieces, cannot pass the ball and his heading leaves a lot to be desired. Lockyer has 3 more league goals at the age of 23 than Elliott had at the same age.
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Post by tbonegas on Mar 10, 2018 19:57:57 GMT
100% agree. The only element where undroppable Tom is better than Elliot was. Is his ability to recover and get last ditch tackles in. Lockyer is never s threat from set pieces, cannot pass the ball and his heading leaves a lot to be desired. Lockyer has 3 more league goals at the age of 23 than Elliott had at the same age. . Elliot was a Derby County player during those years, I believe. Not sure but I think they were a premier League outfit at that time. Much more difficult for a young centre back to score in that level of the game.
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Post by gasheadbatesy on Mar 10, 2018 21:18:19 GMT
I think a tougher question is Partington or leadbitter. I love both they but they won’t ever play together as there direct opposition. I’ve always championed leads but I think you can stick parts in the mix for player of the season. We have been less leaky at the back with him and boy does he whip in a meancurlung cross. Sadly leads biggest issue. Slightly back on topic parts should be our captain.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Mar 10, 2018 22:38:37 GMT
Lockyer has 3 more league goals at the age of 23 than Elliott had at the same age. . Elliot was a Derby County player during those years, I believe. Not sure but I think they were a premier League outfit at that time. Much more difficult for a young centre back to score in that level of the game. My point is that young centre backs don't necessarily have the know how, confidence in their all round reading of the game and the presence to score lots of goals. After leaving Derby (1 goal in 72, the last 28 of which were in the second tier) he went to Blackpool (third tier) where he was goalless in his season there. Additionally he didn't score in his first 29 games for us in the fourth tier. He got his third professional goal when he was 26 1/2 and had played 130 games, most outside the premier league. This isn't to diminish anything about his career. He was great for us! It's just that I think it's unfair to criticise Lockyer in comparison for a lack of goals. Yates never scored for us and went on to score a fair few for Tranmere later in his career.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2018 22:54:36 GMT
Steve Elliott all day everyday. Lockyer not even half as good as steve Elliott. 100% agree. The only element where undroppable Tom is better than Elliot was. Is his ability to recover and get last ditch tackles in. Lockyer is never s threat from set pieces, cannot pass the ball and his heading leaves a lot to be desired. Current Captain is rubbish. The current Manager is rubbish. The current Owner is rubbish. The current Chairman is rubbish. The current back room staff are rubbish. The current squad are all rubbish. Everything is currently rubbish.
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Post by gasheadbatesy on Mar 10, 2018 23:08:36 GMT
100% agree. The only element where undroppable Tom is better than Elliot was. Is his ability to recover and get last ditch tackles in. Lockyer is never s threat from set pieces, cannot pass the ball and his heading leaves a lot to be desired. Current Captain is rubbish. The current Manager is rubbish. The current Owner is rubbish. The current Chairman is rubbish. The current back room staff are rubbish. The current squad are all rubbish. Everything is currently rubbish. Steady on fella. Just the captain.
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Post by gas2 on Mar 11, 2018 13:50:55 GMT
Lockyer is to lightweight for a central defender needs beafing up Elliott anyday
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