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Post by markczgas on Aug 26, 2016 9:09:53 GMT
So, with the addition of Roos and Roberts, 3 of our 5 signings thus far are loan signings. Disappointing for me but probably a financial reason.
I thought DC said once that he didn't really like long-term loan signings - might be wrong about this.
I'm much more in favour of permanent signings as we are obviously developing our own players. Roos seems determined to make it at Derby after his loan although his contract might be up at the end of the season ??
In my view, younger players on loan might be the better options as you would expect them to be really hungry to get in the side and play as many games as possible rather than more-seasoned pros.
Get the feeling we are gonna get 2 more in on loan too, What's everyone's views ? How many can you put on the pitch in any one game ?
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Post by CornishPasty_Gas on Aug 26, 2016 9:13:46 GMT
I think young kids from Premiership/Championship like Roos and Roberts are OK for a loan, as they are hungry, however, I wouldn't loan someone like Simon Cox for instance.
I think what is clear, Wael doesn't have the wealth we may have hoped for, and won't be spending money on transfer fees. That may change if we struggled this season, however.
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Post by Iliveinbidefordgas on Aug 26, 2016 9:18:52 GMT
Unless I missed it when have new owners said going to spend millions?? This keeps coming up I am pretty sure that there never said that i stand to be corrected?
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Post by CornishPasty_Gas on Aug 26, 2016 9:23:22 GMT
No, he never did say he was going to throw millions at it. However, a lot people probably expected to spend a few quid, ie a £100k here and there. Not that would automatically be the best or correct thing to do.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 26, 2016 9:23:33 GMT
I think young kids from Premiership/Championship like Roos and Roberts are OK for a loan, as they are hungry, however, I wouldn't loan someone like Simon Cox for instance. I think what is clear, Wael doesn't have the wealth we may have hoped for, and won't be spending money on transfer fees. That may change if we struggled this season, however. Not very clear at all............ He has cleared the debt bought the club and said from day ONE that the club will evolve... that means it has to stand on its own 2 feet and not be subsidised
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Post by jungleboogie on Aug 26, 2016 9:24:44 GMT
I think young kids from Premiership/Championship like Roos and Roberts are OK for a loan, as they are hungry, however, I wouldn't loan someone like Simon Cox for instance. I think what is clear, Wael doesn't have the wealth we may have hoped for, and won't be spending money on transfer fees. That may change if we struggled this season, however. Make up your mind, so he doesn't have any money, but he might in fact be rich if we struggle?
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Post by knowall on Aug 26, 2016 9:25:00 GMT
If Clubs won't part with the player you particularly want hen the loan route may be the only option. It is obvious that Swansea ans Derby want to retain ownership of these players which makes me think they are good prospects. As for spending millions - why on earth go down that route when we can see a club not far from here who have and are no further forward by doing so. A fool and his money are soon parted - and Wael is certainly no fool.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 9:27:24 GMT
If Clubs won't part with the player you particularly want hen the loan route may be the only option. It is obvious that Swansea ans Derby want to retain ownership of these players which makes me think they are good prospects. As for spending millions - why on earth go down that route when we can see a club not far from here who have and are no further forward by doing so. A fool and his money are soon parted - and Wael is certainly no fool. ....And has no money
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Post by slam on Aug 26, 2016 9:37:02 GMT
I am not sure that the way in which DC is building the squad has anything to do with the finances that have been, or will be, made available by Wael. My reading of the situation is that DC has complete control over the footballing side of things and this is the way that he wants to do it. DC is definitely NOT the sort of manager that likes to throw money at a squad of players - he seems to prefer to build a squad with a certain mentality and builds the team around that.
I am sure that if DC asked for funding, he would get it (within reason). I just don't think that he is that sort of manager and it has been said before - they do not want to risk ruining the current "togetherness" of the squad by importing a couple of highly paid "star players"
I also think that the loan situation is different this year because of the changes to the rules. The players that we have brought in may come from a higher placed club and the particular players we have taken might have current aspirations to progress their careers with their existing clubs. However, these are long term loans and, as I understand it, the latest two loanees are out of contract at the end of the loan period. We have the chance to get a real good look at them and, if they are a good fit and we are successful, then it should be possible to negotiate permanent deals for next season.
There isn't much difference between a season long loanee and a permanent player with just a year left on their contract.
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Post by peterparker on Aug 26, 2016 9:37:32 GMT
Spending money whether transfer fees or wages has been part of the problem at this club for years.
Perhaps players and agents think like some of the fans and think we have cash to burn and wanted stupid fees and/or wages
Wael is an investment banker he isnt about throwing money away and people need to realise this.
How much money he/the Al Qadis have is anyones guess, but the one thing they have done is started to revamp the club behimd the scenes FIRST, which is the main point.
You cant build a house on sand and all that
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Aug 26, 2016 9:47:58 GMT
I think young kids from Premiership/Championship like Roos and Roberts are OK for a loan, as they are hungry, however, I wouldn't loan someone like Simon Cox for instance. I think what is clear, Wael doesn't have the wealth we may have hoped for, and won't be spending money on transfer fees. That may change if we struggled this season, however. Not very clear at all............ He has cleared the debt bought the club and said from day ONE that the club will evolve... that means it has to stand on its own 2 feet and not be subsidised Exactly. Also, we mustn't underestimate the importance of getting the new stadium. Until this begins to happen I can't see Wael spending big money on transfer fees as promotion to the championship without new stadium could actually end up being bad for the club. The club should absolutely stand on its own two feet and I don't think it's any coincidence that the latest two loans came in after the Chelsea game, once we knew roughly how much money we would get from the gate receipts.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 10:15:58 GMT
I think young kids from Premiership/Championship like Roos and Roberts are OK for a loan, as they are hungry, however, I wouldn't loan someone like Simon Cox for instance. I think what is clear, Wael doesn't have the wealth we may have hoped for, and won't be spending money on transfer fees. That may change if we struggled this season, however. He may not have the wealth mate but he knows where to get a low rate loan😉
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 26, 2016 10:32:34 GMT
Henbury and 2nd May spot on. We have started the season comfortably. We have matched all the teams we've played against and will be ok in this league. As I've always said Waels biggest problem will be satisfying the expectations of fans who expect him to go out and spend lots of money. Unless I missed it he has never said that will happen. DC Is in charge of the team and Wael will support him if asked. The priorities were and still are the new ground and developing the youth side and making us a more sustainable football club. It will be done gradually through evolution and not throwing money at it. Not being ITK I can't say for certain but from what was said, our debts are cleared, we are not facing oblivion and so are in the best position we have been in since I started supporting in 1966. To continue making us a better club the new ground is vital and where Wael is concentrating efforts and finances. The problem I guess is that in the past people would have had a good moan on the terraces about anything, now, in this social media age questions asked, moans or small gripes become a thread which lasts for days and pulls people in. I don't think anyone thinks anything other than Wael is excellent but they do question and make presumptions that are wrong just because they think he has a quid or two. I don't think DC turned down Leeds to stay in League 2 but I suspect he would be happy for a season of consolidation. That would be a good measure of progress and probably mean next summer we would see bigger changes to the squad than we have seen over past two years with the aim of challenging at the top next time around. In Wael and DC we must trust. UTG!
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 26, 2016 10:53:48 GMT
If Wael doesn't water his money away on a couple of Championship has-beens who are only after one last pay day and plan to spend the next six months on the physio's table counting their cash, I'm gonna return my season ticket.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 12:14:10 GMT
If Wael doesn't p**s his money away on a couple of Championship has-beens who are only after one last pay day and plan to spend the next six months on the physio's table counting their cash, I'm gonna return my season ticket. Isn't Liam Lawrence enough?
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 26, 2016 12:20:45 GMT
I think young kids from Premiership/Championship like Roos and Roberts are OK for a loan, as they are hungry, however, I wouldn't loan someone like Simon Cox for instance. I think what is clear, Wael doesn't have the wealth we may have hoped for, and won't be spending money on transfer fees. That may change if we struggled this season, however. He may not have the wealth mate but he knows where to get a low rate loan😉 The club is jointly owned by the four Al Quad's, not just Wael, it's nonsense to say they aren't wealthy when they are worth billions, whether they want to spend (or waste!) their money on transfer fees is another matter. Assuming they are pressing ahead with the new stadium and training ground they are clearly prepared to finance what's needed at Rovers.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 13:03:07 GMT
He may not have the wealth mate but he knows where to get a low rate loan😉 The club is jointly owned by the four Al Quad's, not just Wael, it's nonsense to say they aren't wealthy when they are worth billions, whether they want to spend (or waste!) their money on transfer fees is another matter. Assuming they are pressing ahead with the new stadium and training ground they are clearly prepared to finance what's needed at Rovers.
To be honest with the 2 successive promotions we have kind of jumped ahead a bit from where the club probably expected to be. Even in January when Wael came in the thought was we would be in L2 for a while, I at least thought that after leaving Fratton Park a few weeks later.
The Championship imo would be a step too far at the moment, the new ground needs to be finalised first for us to progress and stay at that level, so chucking money at players would not be a good idea when all we need to do is survive in L1 for now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 15:02:54 GMT
He may not have the wealth mate but he knows where to get a low rate loan😉 The club is jointly owned by the four Al Quad's, not just Wael, it's nonsense to say they aren't wealthy when they are worth billions, whether they want to spend (or waste!) their money on transfer fees is another matter. Assuming they are pressing ahead with the new stadium and training ground they are clearly prepared to finance what's needed at Rovers. I totally agree. I didn't say otherwise. My reply was a light hearted reference to the part of HSBC bank they own!!!
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 26, 2016 16:53:07 GMT
The club is jointly owned by the four Al Quad's, not just Wael, it's nonsense to say they aren't wealthy when they are worth billions, whether they want to spend (or waste!) their money on transfer fees is another matter. Assuming they are pressing ahead with the new stadium and training ground they are clearly prepared to finance what's needed at Rovers.
To be honest with the 2 successive promotions we have kind of jumped ahead a bit from where the club probably expected to be. Even in January when Wael came in the thought was we would be in L2 for a while, I at least thought that after leaving Fratton Park a few weeks later.
The Championship imo would be a step too far at the moment, the new ground needs to be finalised first for us to progress and stay at that level, so chucking money at players would not be a good idea when all we need to do is survive in L1 for now.
But as anybody told DC that?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 18:47:32 GMT
To be honest with the 2 successive promotions we have kind of jumped ahead a bit from where the club probably expected to be. Even in January when Wael came in the thought was we would be in L2 for a while, I at least thought that after leaving Fratton Park a few weeks later.
The Championship imo would be a step too far at the moment, the new ground needs to be finalised first for us to progress and stay at that level, so chucking money at players would not be a good idea when all we need to do is survive in L1 for now.
But as anybody told DC that? Probably not and I'm sure he doesn't think of anything apart from winning as thats what he is paid to do. We have all seen sides perform miracles to get into the Premier league for example, then said miracle manager gets sacked before Christmas when they probably would have had a lot more management time by staying in the lower division challenging near the top every year keeping everyone happy. Of course nobody would say no to the Championship (i've only seen us there for 2 seasons) but looking at the bigger picture you have to spend millions and probably still end up being relegated, or you go down the Yeovil route and where are they now.
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