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Post by mehewmagic on Aug 29, 2016 22:35:29 GMT
here's my latest Rovers article for all to see. On the EP here - www.bristolpost.co.uk/bristol-rovers-blog-g-is-for-gas-efl-trophy-boycott-we-must-respect-each-other-s-decisions/story-29664533-detail/story.htmlor pasted in below Change, choice and principlesAs some little West London team squirmed past us in the Football League Cup, our chances of silverware remain with just the F.A. Cup and the suddenly uber controversial Football League Trophy. After 32 years of success, building swiftly from the inaugural final in front of merely 6,544 at Hull’s old Boothferry Park due to horses damaging the Wembley turf, to a record crowd of 80,841 just four years later for Burnley vs. Wolverhampton Wanderers, the Football League Trophy has been THE cup competition for the Third and Fourth Tiers; a rare, and genuine chance of silverware for lesser clubs. 24 different clubs have held it aloft, with three dominant wins by our noisy neighbours making them the most successful club of all time, and 16 more, Rovers included, have at least got to a final or three, which suggest it truly is an egalitarian competition. Businesses in Carlisle brace themselves every year for a flurry of ’weekend off’ requests, as with two wins and four losses, no other club has been as regular finalists as the Cumbrians, who rather paradoxically are usually the furthest club from Wembley or Cardiff. The Trophy has seen 109 different teams compete in it and has been graced by several fallen giants, including Manchester City, Norwich City, Nottingham Forest, Crystal Palace, QPR and Sunderland, although amusingly none won it. Experiments to jazz it up a smidgen have been made before, notably with the introduction of a golden goal for extra time in 1995 (Marcus Stewart’s strike at Craven Cottage in January 1996 was our one and only application of that experiment), and up to 12 Conference teams allowed to compete each season between 2000 and 2006, but neither were particularly contentious. So why is this season’s contest provoking so much ferocious discord? Because this summer a majority of the Football League clubs voted in favour of a trial format where 16 Category One Academies were endorsed to join the 48 clubs traditionally entering. This academy category is currently only held by 24 of the biggest clubs, so the new format immediately led to accusations of the arch enemy (the Premier League) infiltrating the real leagues, and of a sly second attempt to normalise the idea that Academy teams could one day be playing Football League clubs on a more regular basis. Some members voted against the trial, including our own noble club. Thankfully. I’m not sure how I would have phrased that sentence if they hadn’t. The selection process of the 16 guinea pigs later added fuel to the fire, with 16 Premier League clubs originally invited to participate, and judging from the tight turnaround needed it seemed as though the Football League assumed all would agree. When many decided it was an offer they could easily refuse the Football League scrabbled around and just found enough agreeable Championship clubs with Category One Academies to make up the numbers, resulting in a so-called glamour tie of, say, Man Utd U23’s vs. Oldham Athletic at Old Trafford being supplanted by a trip to see Blackburn Rovers U23’s at a lifeless Ewood Park (yes, I have been there… it really is in dullsville). The benefits are said to include more prize money, a shake up of a slightly unloved competition, at least one fixture played at the main ground of each Academy club, and higher attendances if the big boys (or more likely young men) visit your gaff. Come Tuesday night we may find out whether supporters of the 48 will boycott all the matches to send out the largest protest signal to their club and the Football League, will shun just the tie against Academy opposition (or even only if it is an away tie), or rebuff none at all as that would hurt the finances of the club you have chosen to support. There is no easy, or ’correct’, answer to the issue above, and some supporters feel brow beaten by the sanctimonious judgments of those with a very strong opinion on the matter, especially those who rank football supporters from hard-core (the best; I go to all the games you know…and have been doing it for [insert large number] years now), to casuals (the average; huh, they only rock up to the games they want to…) and then the plastics (the worst; go to the odd match at a big club, usually against other well known teams). This caste system is hardly helpful as there are a myriad of reasons why many genuine, loyal supporters have to pick and choose which games they attend, be it home or away, or both. Some, through geography or illness, may never even attend matches in the flesh, but are they to be dismissed as even lower than the plastics? No. Well certainly not in my book. Any Gashead is a Gashead. Any Pirate is a Pirate. Who the hell am I to judge their personal situation or rank them in order of superiority? Whilst in the Chelsea end last week I certainly witnessed what might be considered plastic conduct by several people, from stadium selfies to prove their existence, to a chic young lady exhibiting a high pitch scream the likes of which I haven’t heard since my wife gave birth, and animatedly bouncing off her seat at all the wrong times, sometimes even at a successful Rovers pass. Her group left at half-time. Despite the ‘grumpy old man’ parrot on my shoulder telling me to sneer at this, I forced myself to think ’good on ‘em, at least they got out of the house, paid their £25 and saw a real football game, in a real atmosphere‘, even if it may have been partly through a lens or with modest comprehension. Societies change, even if it sometimes feels like it is for the worst. American educator and author Stephen Covey summed it up well by concluding “there are three constants in life: change, choice and principles”. I’m beginning to feel that what individual Gasheads decide on Tuesday night is no longer the most important issue, but rather that we stick together as Rovers supporters and try to understand one another. By sticking together I don’t mean we all decide to go, or all decide to vote with our feet, but that we respect each other whatever side we decide to go to bed with. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2016 23:41:33 GMT
here's my latest Rovers article for all to see. On the EP here - www.bristolpost.co.uk/bristol-rovers-blog-g-is-for-gas-efl-trophy-boycott-we-must-respect-each-other-s-decisions/story-29664533-detail/story.htmlor pasted in below Change, choice and principlesAs some little West London team squirmed past us in the Football League Cup, our chances of silverware remain with just the F.A. Cup and the suddenly uber controversial Football League Trophy. After 32 years of success, building swiftly from the inaugural final in front of merely 6,544 at Hull’s old Boothferry Park due to horses damaging the Wembley turf, to a record crowd of 80,841 just four years later for Burnley vs. Wolverhampton Wanderers, the Football League Trophy has been THE cup competition for the Third and Fourth Tiers; a rare, and genuine chance of silverware for lesser clubs. 24 different clubs have held it aloft, with three dominant wins by our noisy neighbours making them the most successful club of all time, and 16 more, Rovers included, have at least got to a final or three, which suggest it truly is an egalitarian competition. Businesses in Carlisle brace themselves every year for a flurry of ’weekend off’ requests, as with two wins and four losses, no other club has been as regular finalists as the Cumbrians, who rather paradoxically are usually the furthest club from Wembley or Cardiff. The Trophy has seen 109 different teams compete in it and has been graced by several fallen giants, including Manchester City, Norwich City, Nottingham Forest, Crystal Palace, QPR and Sunderland, although amusingly none won it. Experiments to jazz it up a smidgen have been made before, notably with the introduction of a golden goal for extra time in 1995 (Marcus Stewart’s strike at Craven Cottage in January 1996 was our one and only application of that experiment), and up to 12 Conference teams allowed to compete each season between 2000 and 2006, but neither were particularly contentious. So why is this season’s contest provoking so much ferocious discord? Because this summer a majority of the Football League clubs voted in favour of a trial format where 16 Category One Academies were endorsed to join the 48 clubs traditionally entering. This academy category is currently only held by 24 of the biggest clubs, so the new format immediately led to accusations of the arch enemy (the Premier League) infiltrating the real leagues, and of a sly second attempt to normalise the idea that Academy teams could one day be playing Football League clubs on a more regular basis. Some members voted against the trial, including our own noble club. Thankfully. I’m not sure how I would have phrased that sentence if they hadn’t. The selection process of the 16 guinea pigs later added fuel to the fire, with 16 Premier League clubs originally invited to participate, and judging from the tight turnaround needed it seemed as though the Football League assumed all would agree. When many decided it was an offer they could easily refuse the Football League scrabbled around and just found enough agreeable Championship clubs with Category One Academies to make up the numbers, resulting in a so-called glamour tie of, say, Man Utd U23’s vs. Oldham Athletic at Old Trafford being supplanted by a trip to see Blackburn Rovers U23’s at a lifeless Ewood Park (yes, I have been there… it really is in dullsville). The benefits are said to include more prize money, a shake up of a slightly unloved competition, at least one fixture played at the main ground of each Academy club, and higher attendances if the big boys (or more likely young men) visit your gaff. Come Tuesday night we may find out whether supporters of the 48 will boycott all the matches to send out the largest protest signal to their club and the Football League, will shun just the tie against Academy opposition (or even only if it is an away tie), or rebuff none at all as that would hurt the finances of the club you have chosen to support. There is no easy, or ’correct’, answer to the issue above, and some supporters feel brow beaten by the sanctimonious judgments of those with a very strong opinion on the matter, especially those who rank football supporters from hard-core (the best; I go to all the games you know…and have been doing it for [insert large number] years now), to casuals (the average; huh, they only rock up to the games they want to…) and then the plastics (the worst; go to the odd match at a big club, usually against other well known teams). This caste system is hardly helpful as there are a myriad of reasons why many genuine, loyal supporters have to pick and choose which games they attend, be it home or away, or both. Some, through geography or illness, may never even attend matches in the flesh, but are they to be dismissed as even lower than the plastics? No. Well certainly not in my book. Any Gashead is a Gashead. Any Pirate is a Pirate. Who the hell am I to judge their personal situation or rank them in order of superiority? Whilst in the Chelsea end last week I certainly witnessed what might be considered plastic conduct by several people, from stadium selfies to prove their existence, to a chic young lady exhibiting a high pitch scream the likes of which I haven’t heard since my wife gave birth, and animatedly bouncing off her seat at all the wrong times, sometimes even at a successful Rovers pass. Her group left at half-time. Despite the ‘grumpy old man’ parrot on my shoulder telling me to sneer at this, I forced myself to think ’good on ‘em, at least they got out of the house, paid their £25 and saw a real football game, in a real atmosphere‘, even if it may have been partly through a lens or with modest comprehension. Societies change, even if it sometimes feels like it is for the worst. American educator and author Stephen Covey summed it up well by concluding “there are three constants in life: change, choice and principles”. I’m beginning to feel that what individual Gasheads decide on Tuesday night is no longer the most important issue, but rather that we stick together as Rovers supporters and try to understand one another. By sticking together I don’t mean we all decide to go, or all decide to vote with our feet, but that we respect each other whatever side we decide to go to bed with. 'There is no easy, or ’correct’, answer to the issue above'. I totally disagree with this statement as in my eyes there is a very clear and easy answer; do not attend tomorrow's game. For sake of the future of the lower leagues, it's crucial that people appreciate the implications of this trial being a success and that success will largely be judged by attendance figures and engagement with the competition. The Football League is one of the most envied competitions in the world which boasts an incredibly rich history. The decision to introduce U21/B teams threatens to radically transform the landscape of the game in this country and is a total betrayal of everything which makes our lower leagues so special. Stoke U23's at home on a Saturday at 3pm? No thanks. If the above author wishes to write for the Bristol Post about how Bristol Rovers fare against Bristol City U23's in a competitive fixture in the near future than it's his prerogative but I certainly won't be told to respect those who have supported this trial and made it happen. Make no mistake, it's a very real prospect and the only way to extinguish this threat is to boycott tomorrow's game. I urge anyone who's considering attending to step back and join the majority of our supporters in turning our backs on this disgraceful and highly disrespectful trial. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2016 23:46:50 GMT
This article by Iain Mcintosh hits the nail firmly on the head: thesetpieces.com/features/7692/Or pasted below: THE COLUMN: B TEAMS IN THE JPT I remember the 2013 Johnstone’s Paint Trophy well. The sun-soaked green of the Wembley turf, the clear blue skies, the buoyancy of hope in my heart and the gurgles of anxiety in my bottom. I remember the huge bank of Southend supporters, and the smaller, but noisy, enthusiastic and ultimately jubilant section of Crewe fans. But I guess I remember most of all thinking that it would all be so much better if we weren’t playing Crewe, with their pride and their history and their passion. I remember thinking that I’d much rather be playing the Chelsea development squad. Now it seems that those childhood dreams of watching my team go into battle against eleven teenage reserve players could finally be realised. The Premier League is reported to be in negotiations with the Football League as they seek to drop up to 16 U21 teams into the competition next season. And why not? We’ve been too slow to tackle the menace of smaller clubs enjoying an unforgettable day at Wembley. I’ve written here before about the plight of the lower league clubs and the onslaught they’ve faced in recent years. It’s the same old charge sheet. First the big clubs came for the shared gate receipts. Then they came for the TV money. Then they came for our young players. Then they came for our league places. We thought that was it. We didn’t think we had anything else they could take. We didn’t even consider that they might want our modest little lower league cup competition too. The counter-argument you hear when you object to these proposals is never less than amusing. “Don’t you think these Premier League youngsters would benefit from playing in a proper competition? Don’t you want them to fulfil their potential?” This argument comes up so often that I’m starting to suspect our answer isn’t being heard. So if you wouldn’t mind just sitting down and paying attention for a moment, I’ll issue our response once again. We do not give a * about your Premier League youngsters. Not a flying *. Not a walking *. Not a static *. We have been to the cupboard and we have no *. We have checked online and there are no * in stock. When Alexander saw the breadth of your argument, he wept. For there were no more * left to give. Don’t get upset. Getting upset because we do not care about your Premier League youngsters is like Sainsburys, Tesco and Asda getting upset because the local butcher they’ve driven to the brink of bankruptcy doesn’t want to help them lobby for longer Sunday opening hours. And do not, for shame, speak of helping the England team. You have no interest in that and you never have. You bicker with the England team over every match they play, you resent their use of your players. Do not dare tell us that you’ve suddenly come over all patriotic. The motivation for this is simple. It is greed. You have proved too feckless and incompetent to manage your resources. You have scooped up so many youngsters that you don’t know what to do with them. You stockpile them and they stagnate and you don’t know what to do. And so once again you seek to squeeze the life out of us for a marginal gain on your balance sheet. You ignore the fact that the answer to your problem is staring you in the face. If you want your players to develop as footballers, play them in football matches or don’t buy them until they have done so. The brightest talents in the England squad played first team football either at a lower level, like Dele Alli and John Stones, or at teams where youth development was taken seriously, like Harry Kane and Ross Barkley. This isn’t difficult. You’ve only got two feet. Stop buying so many shoes. You also have your own development league and if that isn’t fit for purpose, change it. The old reserve leagues were a mix of grizzled veterans and young starlets, and they seemed to work just fine. Why not return to that? Why not insist that all reserve teams must contain four or five players over the age of the 28? Why not specifically hire players for the purpose of playing reserve team football? If you all do it, you’ll have the senior opposition you desire. Hell, you’ve got enough money to group-fund a dozen sparring squads of veterans if you wanted. Ultimately, there’s nothing we can do. History has proved that if you want something badly enough, you’ll eventually take it. But think about this; most of your teams will only be involved for a game or two, maybe three. You’re getting very little out of this. And yet you’re taking away so much. On that day in 2013, two teams that had been relentlessly crapped upon by modern football were granted a chance to see how the other half live. That’s the sole purpose of the Johnstone’s Paint Trophy. It gives us just a little bit of hope. Do you really want to snuff that out? |
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Post by mehewmagic on Aug 29, 2016 23:49:55 GMT
here's my latest Rovers article for all to see. On the EP here - www.bristolpost.co.uk/bristol-rovers-blog-g-is-for-gas-efl-trophy-boycott-we-must-respect-each-other-s-decisions/story-29664533-detail/story.htmlor pasted in below Change, choice and principlesAs some little West London team squirmed past us in the Football League Cup, our chances of silverware remain with just the F.A. Cup and the suddenly uber controversial Football League Trophy. After 32 years of success, building swiftly from the inaugural final in front of merely 6,544 at Hull’s old Boothferry Park due to horses damaging the Wembley turf, to a record crowd of 80,841 just four years later for Burnley vs. Wolverhampton Wanderers, the Football League Trophy has been THE cup competition for the Third and Fourth Tiers; a rare, and genuine chance of silverware for lesser clubs. 24 different clubs have held it aloft, with three dominant wins by our noisy neighbours making them the most successful club of all time, and 16 more, Rovers included, have at least got to a final or three, which suggest it truly is an egalitarian competition. Businesses in Carlisle brace themselves every year for a flurry of ’weekend off’ requests, as with two wins and four losses, no other club has been as regular finalists as the Cumbrians, who rather paradoxically are usually the furthest club from Wembley or Cardiff. The Trophy has seen 109 different teams compete in it and has been graced by several fallen giants, including Manchester City, Norwich City, Nottingham Forest, Crystal Palace, QPR and Sunderland, although amusingly none won it. Experiments to jazz it up a smidgen have been made before, notably with the introduction of a golden goal for extra time in 1995 (Marcus Stewart’s strike at Craven Cottage in January 1996 was our one and only application of that experiment), and up to 12 Conference teams allowed to compete each season between 2000 and 2006, but neither were particularly contentious. So why is this season’s contest provoking so much ferocious discord? Because this summer a majority of the Football League clubs voted in favour of a trial format where 16 Category One Academies were endorsed to join the 48 clubs traditionally entering. This academy category is currently only held by 24 of the biggest clubs, so the new format immediately led to accusations of the arch enemy (the Premier League) infiltrating the real leagues, and of a sly second attempt to normalise the idea that Academy teams could one day be playing Football League clubs on a more regular basis. Some members voted against the trial, including our own noble club. Thankfully. I’m not sure how I would have phrased that sentence if they hadn’t. The selection process of the 16 guinea pigs later added fuel to the fire, with 16 Premier League clubs originally invited to participate, and judging from the tight turnaround needed it seemed as though the Football League assumed all would agree. When many decided it was an offer they could easily refuse the Football League scrabbled around and just found enough agreeable Championship clubs with Category One Academies to make up the numbers, resulting in a so-called glamour tie of, say, Man Utd U23’s vs. Oldham Athletic at Old Trafford being supplanted by a trip to see Blackburn Rovers U23’s at a lifeless Ewood Park (yes, I have been there… it really is in dullsville). The benefits are said to include more prize money, a shake up of a slightly unloved competition, at least one fixture played at the main ground of each Academy club, and higher attendances if the big boys (or more likely young men) visit your gaff. Come Tuesday night we may find out whether supporters of the 48 will boycott all the matches to send out the largest protest signal to their club and the Football League, will shun just the tie against Academy opposition (or even only if it is an away tie), or rebuff none at all as that would hurt the finances of the club you have chosen to support. There is no easy, or ’correct’, answer to the issue above, and some supporters feel brow beaten by the sanctimonious judgments of those with a very strong opinion on the matter, especially those who rank football supporters from hard-core (the best; I go to all the games you know…and have been doing it for [insert large number] years now), to casuals (the average; huh, they only rock up to the games they want to…) and then the plastics (the worst; go to the odd match at a big club, usually against other well known teams). This caste system is hardly helpful as there are a myriad of reasons why many genuine, loyal supporters have to pick and choose which games they attend, be it home or away, or both. Some, through geography or illness, may never even attend matches in the flesh, but are they to be dismissed as even lower than the plastics? No. Well certainly not in my book. Any Gashead is a Gashead. Any Pirate is a Pirate. Who the hell am I to judge their personal situation or rank them in order of superiority? Whilst in the Chelsea end last week I certainly witnessed what might be considered plastic conduct by several people, from stadium selfies to prove their existence, to a chic young lady exhibiting a high pitch scream the likes of which I haven’t heard since my wife gave birth, and animatedly bouncing off her seat at all the wrong times, sometimes even at a successful Rovers pass. Her group left at half-time. Despite the ‘grumpy old man’ parrot on my shoulder telling me to sneer at this, I forced myself to think ’good on ‘em, at least they got out of the house, paid their £25 and saw a real football game, in a real atmosphere‘, even if it may have been partly through a lens or with modest comprehension. Societies change, even if it sometimes feels like it is for the worst. American educator and author Stephen Covey summed it up well by concluding “there are three constants in life: change, choice and principles”. I’m beginning to feel that what individual Gasheads decide on Tuesday night is no longer the most important issue, but rather that we stick together as Rovers supporters and try to understand one another. By sticking together I don’t mean we all decide to go, or all decide to vote with our feet, but that we respect each other whatever side we decide to go to bed with. 'There is no easy, or ’correct’, answer to the issue above'. I totally disagree with this statement as in my eyes there is a very clear and easy answer; do not attend tomorrow's game. For sake of the future of the lower leagues, it's crucial that people appreciate the implications of this trial being a success and that success will largely be judged by attendance figures and engagement with the competition. The Football League is one of the most envied competitions in the world which boasts an incredibly rich history. The decision to introduce U21/B teams threatens to radically transform the landscape of the game in this country and is a total betrayal of everything which makes our lower leagues so special. Stoke U23's at home on a Saturday at 3pm? No thanks. If the above author wishes to write for the Bristol Post about how Bristol Rovers fare against Bristol City U23's in a competitive fixture in the near future than it's his prerogative but I certainly won't be told to respect those who have supported this trial and made it happen. Make no mistake, it's a very real prospect and the only way to extinguish this threat is to boycott tomorrow's game. I urge anyone who's considering attending to step back and join the majority of our supporters in turning our backs on this disgraceful and highly disrespectful trial. you just proved what I was writing about. I thought it was pretty obvious that I don't disagree with what you, and me and many others will do on Tuesday, but telling others Gasheads not to go and brow beating your fellow supporters is the point. BTW - City have a Category 2 Academy. Of course they may upgrade in the future but it's quite a hard process. |
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Aug 30, 2016 0:08:23 GMT
Excellent piece of work, Martin.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 30, 2016 6:17:40 GMT
I find the whole subject boring. If a supporter wishes to follow his/her team that's up to them, but when some sanctimonious person starts to tell not to go, i object most vehemently to that... Next you will be telling us what to wear at the next match
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 6:35:53 GMT
'There is no easy, or ’correct’, answer to the issue above'. I totally disagree with this statement as in my eyes there is a very clear and easy answer; do not attend tomorrow's game. For sake of the future of the lower leagues, it's crucial that people appreciate the implications of this trial being a success and that success will largely be judged by attendance figures and engagement with the competition. The Football League is one of the most envied competitions in the world which boasts an incredibly rich history. The decision to introduce U21/B teams threatens to radically transform the landscape of the game in this country and is a total betrayal of everything which makes our lower leagues so special. Stoke U23's at home on a Saturday at 3pm? No thanks. If the above author wishes to write for the Bristol Post about how Bristol Rovers fare against Bristol City U23's in a competitive fixture in the near future than it's his prerogative but I certainly won't be told to respect those who have supported this trial and made it happen. Make no mistake, it's a very real prospect and the only way to extinguish this threat is to boycott tomorrow's game. I urge anyone who's considering attending to step back and join the majority of our supporters in turning our backs on this disgraceful and highly disrespectful trial. you just proved what I was writing about. I thought it was pretty obvious that I don't disagree with what you, and me and many others will do on Tuesday, but telling others Gasheads not to go and brow beating your fellow supporters is the point. BTW - City have a Category 2 Academy. Of course they may upgrade in the future but it's quite a hard process. I'm aware that City are not a category 1 academy Martin. However regretably they are a club on the up currently and an appearance in the Premier League in the not too distant future is increasingly likely. Whilst this trial is for U23 teams, it's very much a case of testing the water to see what supporter apitite is like for entering U23/B teams in the lower leagues. It's highly feasible that Premier League clubs would buy 20 golden tickets and exploit lower league clubs who operate at the other end of the financial spectrum. That's the stark reality of the situation. It's quite apparent when reading other threads on this topic that many have taken the narrow perspective that they will support the Gas whatever and any changes will take place regardless of their actions. This attitude of unconditional support is the reason authorities, clubs and broadcasters view fans as passive idiots who will sit back and continue to consume the product regardless of any changes or price increases. What your article fails to stress is that tonight's game is effectively a vote for U23/B teams becoming a regular feature in the lower leagues. Those who make the decision to go through a turnstile are ticking the approval box whilst those not attending are making it very clear to the powers that be that these changes are totally unacceptable. I'm heartened to see that the majority appear to be in the latter camp. Call it brow beating, call it judging, call it whatever you choose to. I make absolutely no apologies for lobbying others not to attend given the disastrous consequences of this trial being a success. I'm incredibly passionate about the Football League and the lower leagues in this country and am desperate to prevent the financially bloated Premier League invading it. I'm not prepared to sit on the fence and take a laissez faire attitude given what is at stake. |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 30, 2016 6:39:00 GMT
I don't think there's anything wrong with setting out a reasonable and articulate argument for not going to that game. Like anything, it can be debated and decided upon. There's a huge difference between just putting your argument forward and brow-beating someone.
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Post by William Wilson on Aug 30, 2016 6:46:31 GMT
I don't think there's anything wrong with setting out a reasonable and articulate argument for not going to that game. Like anything, it can be debated and decided upon. There's a huge difference between just putting your argument forward and brow-beating someone. No, there`s not. Stop writing such ridiculous nonsense. |
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Post by philbemmygas on Aug 30, 2016 6:47:37 GMT
I agree with Martin's post, I understand the counter argument but think you are either deliberately or possibly accidentally attacking someone who agrees with you. Albeit with a rational counter to some of the wild posts that have been seen on social media.
I personally am attending, due to a family holiday I have only seen the Cardiff, Chelsea and swindle games. I wish to see my team play, even if it is against a load of foreigners in an academy team.
I do agree it is the thin end of the wedge as far as the premiersh*t teams trying to foist their reserves into the league, that is a battle that the League and the clubs in it will have to fight on our behalf's.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 30, 2016 6:47:41 GMT
I don't think there's anything wrong with setting out a reasonable and articulate argument for not going to that game. Like anything, it can be debated and decided upon. There's a huge difference between just putting your argument forward and brow-beating someone. No, there`s not. Stop writing such ridiculous nonsense. I'm being brow-beaten! |
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Post by orgasmic on Aug 30, 2016 6:56:41 GMT
I agree with Martin's post, I understand the counter argument but think you are either deliberately or possibly accidentally attacking someone who agrees with you. Albeit with a rational counter to some of the wild posts that have been seen on social media. I personally am attending, due to a family holiday I have only seen the Cardiff, Chelsea and swindle games. I wish to see my team play, even if it is against a load of foreigners in an academy team. I do agree it is the thin end of the wedge as far as the premiersh*t teams trying to foist their reserves into the league, that is a battle that the League and the clubs in it will have to fight on our behalf's. With respect Phil it's the League and Club Chairmen that voted to allow B Teams into this competition. If the think it will help them financially they will not act in a way that represents us as fans. I am of the opinion that this experiment needs to fail in a spectacular way or they will continue to tinker to get their own way. A boycott seems the only way to achieve that as it shows we can't be bought and that poor decisions by the football league will cost them money. Easier to stamp it out now before they get a foothold. If we allow this they will certainly continue to push other money making ideas through that are good for the Prem but not the football league. If we allow this, we are signing our own death warrants. As with all things it's a personal choice but I feel this is the beginning of them destroying the football league so can't bring myself to go. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 7:03:11 GMT
I agree with Martin's post, I understand the counter argument but think you are either deliberately or possibly accidentally attacking someone who agrees with you. Albeit with a rational counter to some of the wild posts that have been seen on social media. I personally am attending, due to a family holiday I have only seen the Cardiff, Chelsea and swindle games. I wish to see my team play, even if it is against a load of foreigners in an academy team. I do agree it is the thin end of the wedge as far as the premiersh*t teams trying to foist their reserves into the league, that is a battle that the League and the clubs in it will have to fight on our behalf's. The battle is taking place tonight and will be largely be won or lost on attendance figures in games featuring U23 teams. Of course it's your decision whether to attend but those attending can have no complaints when we have the indignity of facing Stoke, Swansea or Bristol City U23\B sides in competitive fixtures on a Saturday at 3pm. |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 30, 2016 7:07:51 GMT
With respect Phil it's the League and Club Chairmen that voted to allow B Teams into this competition. If the think it will help them financially they will not act in a way that represents us as fans. I am of the opinion that this experiment needs to fail in a spectacular way or they will continue to tinker to get their own way. A boycott seems the only way to achieve that as it shows we can't be bought and that poor decisions by the football league will cost them money. As we voted against it, and DC called it a farce, I'm waiting to see how much promotion this game is gonna get on the official website/twitter. I'm hoping the club will play it down. |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 30, 2016 7:14:56 GMT
With respect Phil it's the League and Club Chairmen that voted to allow B Teams into this competition. If the think it will help them financially they will not act in a way that represents us as fans. I am of the opinion that this experiment needs to fail in a spectacular way or they will continue to tinker to get their own way. A boycott seems the only way to achieve that as it shows we can't be bought and that poor decisions by the football league will cost them money. As we voted against it, and DC called it a farce, I'm waiting to see how much promotion this game is gonna get on the official website/twitter. I'm hoping the club will play it down. I'm hoping DC puts a sh** team out..... the problems comes when we beat the sh** out them... who do we pick on Saturday  |
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Post by spiess1 on Aug 30, 2016 7:23:17 GMT
He'll pick no-one on Saturday, I'd say.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 30, 2016 7:27:02 GMT
He'll pick no-one on Saturday, I'd say. my typo should have said week Saturday ! or maybe he will pick a strong team for the behind the closed door game against Chelski |
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Post by oldgas on Aug 30, 2016 7:37:27 GMT
I find the whole subject boring. If a supporter wishes to follow his/her team that's up to them, but when some sanctimonious person starts to tell not to go, i object most vehemently to that... Next you will be telling us what to wear at the next match I don't necessarily think either author is being sanctimonious Henbury. They have very eloquently pointed out why they think this latest development is wrong. In a thoroughly non-sanctimonious way I have decided not to go tonight. Had the game been against a league team I would, taking joyous advantage of the reduced admission price for me and the little 'un. I wouldn't denigrate you if you went, but you're surely not going to wear that awful jacket? |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 30, 2016 7:42:18 GMT
I find the whole subject boring. If a supporter wishes to follow his/her team that's up to them, but when some sanctimonious person starts to tell not to go, i object most vehemently to that... Next you will be telling us what to wear at the next match I don't necessarily think either author is being sanctimonious Henbury. They have very eloquently pointed out why they think this latest development is wrong. In a thoroughly non-sanctimonious way I have decided not to go tonight. Had the game been against a league team I would, taking joyous advantage of the reduced admission price for me and the little 'un. I wouldn't denigrate you if you went, but you're surely not going to wear that awful jacket? Now whats wrong with my Pink & Yellow poker dot Top, Baggy likes it  |
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 30, 2016 8:28:13 GMT
I find the whole subject boring. If a supporter wishes to follow his/her team that's up to them, but when some sanctimonious person starts to tell not to go, i object most vehemently to that... Next you will be telling us what to wear at the next match LA LA AL LAL LALLLA NOT LISTENING  |
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