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Post by gaffers on Nov 2, 2016 12:47:50 GMT
Is it me or is it really obvious that Harrison isn't up to league one's standard? Gaffney on a bad day is a much better rounded player as in hold up play/ effort/skill/making space and runs behind the defence!!!
Gaffney was great against the posh last week and can't see why he wouldn't start last night?
Harrison was clueless to when and where to run or either lazy to make the effort? I'm going with clueless as surely you would be fighting for your spot in his position...just my thoughts
If he was resting gaffney Harrison isn't up to it...
What I thought was a shame and I bet Rory must have thought himself was the fact we played 4-4-2 last night all night which would suit him better as he had more service infront of goal as normally he's forced out wide with Darrell's normal formations...
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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 2, 2016 12:50:23 GMT
Harrison struggled at League 2 so League 1 was always going to be hard
National league is about his level and i can see him going out loan next season
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Post by zulugas on Nov 2, 2016 12:54:36 GMT
Gaffers all day, and YES I want to be ginger too!
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 2, 2016 13:04:26 GMT
Why does it have to either / or?
Both have contributed to us being 5th in league 1.
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Post by grayraydon on Nov 2, 2016 13:08:37 GMT
Bit harsh if you ask me to say that Ellis is clueless, a lot of it comes down to the way we are playing as well and the type of balls played into the strikers, I seriously think he's got something to offer as a sub coming on to throw his weight around and hassle and run at the tired defenders late in the game.
Having said that I would pick Gaffers over him to start, even when he was struggling for form at the start of the season I think he just offers a bit more, his control and bringing others into the game is a better and I also believe that Matty plays a lot better alongside him than he does any of the other strikers.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Nov 2, 2016 13:14:07 GMT
I think we are massively quick to write players off. I accept he had a poor game last night and this opinion is shared by everyone at the match. However I don't agree that after Harrison has had one and a bit bad games, he's suddenly 'not up to league 1 standard', or 'conference at best'. Not meant as a direct criticism of those above - these type of comments are all over the board this morning.
Just two games ago these are some of the comments on his performance from the player ratings thread v Gillingham:
Meadgas: 'winning goal and used the ball well.'
Socrates: 'put himself about and scored the winner. Will always score goals.'
BidefordGas: 'Good second half effort.'
Wembley_Gas: 'Right place, right time.'
Horsesgoegas47: 'Freshened things up and took his goal well.'
Biggsy: 'He looked up for it and got the winning goal.
Henbury Gas: 'apart from the goal did little to excite.'j
Nortongashead: 'Great goal.'
Henbury aside (at least he's consistent!), that is a pretty strong reflection of a good performance, albeit coming from off the bench. He got good comments and marks in the previous matches at Northampton and Sheff.Utd, too, in which he started.
In one and a bit games since Gillingham is he really surplus to requirements? Gaffers was woefully out of touch earlier in the season but has come through it and looks good. No good reason why Ellis won't put this blip behind him to continue to have a good impact this season either. It infuriates me how little patience we as a fan base have with players such as Ellis and Ollie Clarke, who have come through our youth system and made really good contributions as squad players this year. It is fine to say a player had a bad game, but to forget their previous good performances and write them off as not being good enough is a bit weird to me, especially after we won the game!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 13:20:12 GMT
Harrison is a good finisher when the ball is in front of him and he has a split-second. When to comes to him with time he can't hold and lay off or makes wrong decision. Gaffers all day long.
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Post by jungleboogie on Nov 2, 2016 13:24:02 GMT
Harrison might have done a bit better last night if he didn't go looking for a foul practically every time the ball came near him!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 13:33:06 GMT
Harrison is only 22, so nowhere near his peak yet, whereas gaffers is. Think they are both good options, and they might be lining up together if MT heads off in Jan!
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Post by gassince1957 on Nov 2, 2016 13:33:30 GMT
So Harrison is the new whipping boy after 1.5 bad games. He was up against two giant central defenders last night and the ball kept being played to him in the air. Go figure......
Only criticism is that when he did get a free header he fluffed it - but he was furious with himself as you can see from the highlights. Speaking of which, it was good to see Matty Taylor in his goal celebration kept pointing out Dan Leadbitter who supplied the prefect cross, rather than taking all the credit for the goal. Obviously a strong team spirit is there for all to see.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 13:45:37 GMT
Ellis spent the whole first half diving in the box and screaming like he'd been shot.
Completely useless Last night. Gaffneys hold up play, aerial threat and lay offs were top class. Instant change in the game when he came on. Ellis' body language for me just tells me he's happy to go with the flow. Half the time made no effort to win any headers. The more the crowd get on his back the less he bothers.
But he's the most natural finisher at the club according to tbone. And Taylor is one of the worst strikers we've ever had at the club.
I must remember to check their goal scoring records.
Taylor was top drawer last night. Some of the quick passes he plays are on a different wavelength.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 13:46:45 GMT
Why oh why oh why.
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Post by c4h10 on Nov 2, 2016 13:55:15 GMT
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Post by countygroundhotel on Nov 2, 2016 14:11:39 GMT
Is it me or is it really obvious that Harrison isn't up to league one's standard? Gaffney on a bad day is a much better rounded player as in hold up play/ effort/skill/making space and runs behind the defence!!!Gaffney was great against the posh last week and can't see why he wouldn't start last night? Harrison was clueless to when and where to run or either lazy to make the effort? I'm going with clueless as surely you would be fighting for your spot in his position...just my thoughts If he was resting gaffney Harrison isn't up to it... What I thought was a shame and I bet Rory must have thought himself was the fact we played 4-4-2 last night all night which would suit him better as he had more service infront of goal as normally he's forced out wide with Darrell's normal formations... Wouldn't necessairily disagree with that but it's an easy choice who I'd like a last minute chance to fall too to win the points and it isn't Gaffney |
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Post by LJG on Nov 2, 2016 15:04:45 GMT
Is it me or is it really obvious that Harrison isn't up to league one's standard? Gaffney on a bad day is a much better rounded player as in hold up play/ effort/skill/making space and runs behind the defence!!! Gaffney was great against the posh last week and can't see why he wouldn't start last night? Harrison was clueless to when and where to run or either lazy to make the effort? I'm going with clueless as surely you would be fighting for your spot in his position...just my thoughts If he was resting gaffney Harrison isn't up to it... What I thought was a shame and I bet Rory must have thought himself was the fact we played 4-4-2 last night all night which would suit him better as he had more service infront of goal as normally he's forced out wide with Darrell's normal formations... Jesus here we go again. I'll do you a favour and just provide you with a link to two seasons worth of the same old "he's lazy and not up to it" bullshit arguments about Harrison that ultimately proved to be completely wrong. Here you go: gaschat.co.uk/thread/1829/ellis-harrison?page=1 |
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Post by LJG on Nov 2, 2016 15:25:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 15:52:56 GMT
Just to add my 2 pennyworth Gaffney 16 appearances 1 goal
Harrison 18 appearances 4 goals
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Post by Strange Gas on Nov 2, 2016 16:02:13 GMT
Both great on their day, but their days are a bit rarer than we'd all like. I do think that is not unusual even at league 1 based on what I have seen this season. Consistency is your ticket to big cash and we know we don't have that and nor do many of our close peers
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Post by syg on Nov 2, 2016 16:22:09 GMT
different types of players entirely, horses for courses and harrison has more time to develop.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Nov 2, 2016 16:30:16 GMT
Is it me or is it really obvious that Harrison isn't up to league one's standard? Gaffney on a bad day is a much better rounded player as in hold up play/ effort/skill/making space and runs behind the defence!!!Gaffney was great against the posh last week and can't see why he wouldn't start last night? Harrison was clueless to when and where to run or either lazy to make the effort? I'm going with clueless as surely you would be fighting for your spot in his position...just my thoughts If he was resting gaffney Harrison isn't up to it... What I thought was a shame and I bet Rory must have thought himself was the fact we played 4-4-2 last night all night which would suit him better as he had more service infront of goal as normally he's forced out wide with Darrell's normal formations... Wouldn't necessairily disagree with that but it's an easy choice who I'd like a last minute chance to fall too to win the points and it isn't Gaffney Ellis probably wouldn't have created the space to have a last minute chance fall to him. |
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