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Post by mehewmagic on Nov 9, 2016 22:37:10 GMT
I always felt someone like penney was NEEDED to sort Rovers out. Whether he'd be allowed to succeed was a different kettle of fish.
I don't think we would have had 3 pretty crap seasons in Lge 2 in a row with him at the helm, even if we had still been relegated in 2011.
Seems like some of the info on this threads suggests a clear reason for the failure.
It is strikingly similar to Martin Dobson. Ray Kendall's book gives a pretty damning report on that episode and Ray was a guy who never had a bad word to say about anyone... so it must have been bad if even he highlighted the player power going on behind the scenes.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 9, 2016 22:43:05 GMT
Paul Buckle started with virtually a clean sheet in Div 2 but failed dismally, the rot was far deeper at the club than just player power.
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Post by philbemmygas on Nov 10, 2016 7:56:31 GMT
Paul Buckle started with virtually a clean sheet in Div 2 but failed dismally, the rot was far deeper at the club than just player power. He was given a mandate to clear out the "rotten" apples in the barrel, he did that and recruited reasonably well. His inability personally to step up to the plate was his downfall. Personally raking up old and now irellevant history does not help the club in its new form and structure (not an attack on you, but the subject in General). Lets keep moving forwards as a commited group of supporters and players, UTG
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Post by faggotygas on Nov 10, 2016 8:48:01 GMT
I always felt someone like penney was NEEDED to sort Rovers out. Whether he'd be allowed to succeed was a different kettle of fish. I don't think we would have had 3 pretty crap seasons in Lge 2 in a row with him at the helm, even if we had still been relegated in 2011. Seems like some of the info on this threads suggests a clear reason for the failure. It is strikingly similar to Martin Dobson. Ray Kendall's book gives a pretty damning report on that episode and Ray was a guy who never had a bad word to say about anyone... so it must have been bad if even he highlighted the player power going on behind the scenes. Maybe, but by trying to do that with the transfer window basically already gone, he gave himself an impossible job to BRFC's detriment.
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Post by djballl on Nov 10, 2016 11:29:03 GMT
We've had recent threads on Trollope and McGhee and lots of comment on Buckle and Ward , but not much on poor old Dave. He was the first man to seriously head us towards League 2, although not the man who actually took us there. A tough guy from up North, yet he had a disastrous spell with us. Was this experienced manager really so seriously undermined by Campbell and co that he could not manage us, or could he just not manage? He wanted to cut the dead wood out, but the dead wood became a dead weight and sunk us. DC wouldn't have stood for it. I really think Penney, Buckle, and McGhee didn't work out because they were brought in cold with no knowledge of the workings of Rovers. The Managers that have been succesfull at Rovers Gould, Francis, Holloway, Trollope and Clarke were all at Rovers for some time before taking the reigns. Of course this is only a theory. Its a very good theory with a lot of evidence to back it up.
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Post by paulpirate on Nov 10, 2016 11:41:59 GMT
I really think Penney, Buckle, and McGhee didn't work out because they were brought in cold with no knowledge of the workings of Rovers. The Managers that have been succesfull at Rovers Gould, Francis, Holloway, Trollope and Clarke were all at Rovers for some time before taking the reigns. Of course this is only a theory. Its a very good theory with a lot of evidence to back it up. rich towel is that you?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 13:22:27 GMT
Very similar to the Martin Dobson debacle.the worst thing any new manager can do is antagonise the existing squad.he needed them with him not against from that moment on he was a dead man walking. All the rubbish about players not trying is exactly that.if that happened then every club would know of it both here and abroad and they would never get another club.pure misinformed speculation trying to hide the problems at the club both on and off the field. Most of the problems started when LL was sacked and at the time I don't recall many dissenting voices on here about that.in the end it proved the fans who were questioning him and why the club were wasting money on him were as wrong as the board
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Post by philbemmygas on Nov 11, 2016 7:52:38 GMT
Very similar to the Martin Dobson debacle.the worst thing any new manager can do is antagonise the existing squad.he needed them with him not against from that moment on he was a dead man walking. All the rubbish about players not trying is exactly that.if that happened then every club would know of it both here and abroad and they would never get another club.pure misinformed speculation trying to hide the problems at the club both on and off the field. Most of the problems started when LL was sacked and at the time I don't recall many dissenting voices on here about that.in the end it proved the fans who were questioning him and why the club were wasting money on him were as wrong as the board Padstow; I admire your knowledge of the game but still feel there was an element of player power in the club. There was a brief increase in productivity on the field after he who is revered by some and reviled by others took command.. Anyway its all water under the bridge, I am more concerned about today's team and the future of our club UTG
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Post by faggotygas on Nov 11, 2016 14:08:07 GMT
Very similar to the Martin Dobson debacle.the worst thing any new manager can do is antagonise the existing squad.he needed them with him not against from that moment on he was a dead man walking. All the rubbish about players not trying is exactly that.if that happened then every club would know of it both here and abroad and they would never get another club.pure misinformed speculation trying to hide the problems at the club both on and off the field. Most of the problems started when LL was sacked and at the time I don't recall many dissenting voices on here about that.in the end it proved the fans who were questioning him and why the club were wasting money on him were as wrong as the board Agreed about the players. Please seem to think that they don't care, they really do, if only for themselves. The player I knew at the time went into a pretty dark place after our relegation, and it ended up costing him his relationship.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2016 14:15:40 GMT
How would everyone rank Ward, Buckle, Penney and McGhee best to worst?
Mine would be;
Buckle Ward Penney Mcghee
....although there isn't much to separate the last 2!
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Nov 11, 2016 22:47:14 GMT
How would everyone rank Ward, Buckle, Penney and McGhee best to worst? Mine would be; Buckle Ward Penney Mcghee ....although there isn't much to separate the last 2! Ward Penney McGhee Buckle
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2016 23:44:38 GMT
How would everyone rank Ward, Buckle, Penney and McGhee best to worst? Mine would be; Buckle Ward Penney Mcghee ....although there isn't much to separate the last 2! Ward Penney McGhee Buckle Buckle bottom of the lot even though he brought in Lee Brown, Michael Smith, Woodards, Carayol etc??
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Nov 12, 2016 6:13:44 GMT
Buckle bottom of the lot even though he brought in Lee Brown, Michael Smith, Woodards, Carayol etc?? Yes. There are plenty of criteria for choosing, not just yours. Ward had a mainly positive first spell, saved us in his first year of the second spell before it all went wrong and is a very decent man. Penney was not given long enough and took over in an impossible situation. McGhee saved us in his first season before it all went wrong. Buckle had a complete carte blanche and yet spectacularly cocked up, both on the field and in his lack of respect for the club in general.
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 12, 2016 14:55:22 GMT
Ward is head and shoulders above the other three. It all went wrong I know but his spell in the 90s and 2012/13 when he saved us from going down after inheriting the car crash in January makes him better. What went on in March/ April 2014 more or less destroyed his legacy with us. I still don't think we would have gone down if he had stayed in charge but personal problems meant he stepped up. It's all water under the bridge now and DC has done a fantastic job. But to answer the opening post, no comparison IMO. Ward, every time but I know others will disagree. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 4:09:55 GMT
All Dave penny's players played hard and worked.
A bad bunch of players who ousted him to get their mate Campbell the job, who promptly failed and played his mates.
All of this was on OUR time.
The promotion, for me, is ever tainted by what happened after. It's no surprise after Higgs was convinced to let player power rule and we went down all same, that nearly every player in that squad was gone next year.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 8:01:18 GMT
Whoever brought in pogo Patterson needs shooting! That bloke could barely walk let alone run. He played in wingback position last game for us and it was comical. Those days were dark indeed.
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Post by Cantankerous Gas on Nov 15, 2016 15:22:09 GMT
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Nov 15, 2016 15:50:02 GMT
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