|
Post by mjhgas on Nov 23, 2016 10:15:48 GMT
Those giving Tom Lockyer a bit of stick need to have a word with themselves!
There is a long list of players who you would leave out or get rid of in January and he isn't one of them (Shirley?).
DC will continue to build the squad in January and I reckon a few players may already be aware that they haven't cut the mustard and will be on their way. It's been a dramatic climb back up the league and some will have reached their peak! Hard job keeping 20+ players happy!
|
|
|
Post by countygroundhotel on Nov 23, 2016 10:28:07 GMT
Those giving Tom Lockyer a bit of stick need to have a word with themselves! There is a long list of players who you would leave out or get rid of in January and he isn't one of them (Shirley?). DC will continue to build the squad in January and I reckon a few players may already be aware that they haven't cut the mustard and will be on their way. It's been a dramatic climb back up the league and some will have reached their peak! Hard job keeping 20+ players happy! Why worry? Currently defence wise we have available the 4 that finished the game last night plus Roberts and McChrystal. DC has shown no inclination to use McChrystal and only slightly more inclination to use Roberts. A poor silver lining to come out of last night is those calling for a settled back 4 should now see it happen, depending on how serious JCS injury was but going off on a stretcher receiving oxygen suggests serious. Oh and best wishes for a speedy recovery to JCS.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 10:47:49 GMT
The only positive from last night is that i'd rather lose 1-5 to Charlton than win 1-0 against Dartford. Then again we have done superb to get back to our natural level and shouldn't be getting stuffed at home like that.
DC needs to pick a formation and stick to it, pick a team and stick to it, even just for 4-5 games. Once the defence is sound the rest can be tinkered to get the right balance of defence and attack. Currently though I'm not so sure if any of our defence are even good enough or if their games has been disrupted by the constant unforced changes that DC loves so much?
|
|
|
Post by bluegas on Nov 23, 2016 10:51:16 GMT
Those giving Tom Lockyer a bit of stick need to have a word with themselves! There is a long list of players who you would leave out or get rid of in January and he isn't one of them (Shirley?). DC will continue to build the squad in January and I reckon a few players may already be aware that they haven't cut the mustard and will be on their way. It's been a dramatic climb back up the league and some will have reached their peak! Hard job keeping 20+ players happy! DC was right to give them all a chance in L2 but as you say it may be beyond some of them. It was always gonna be the case. Onwards & upwards. (Bet OTIB is in meltdown!)
|
|
|
Post by oddsongas on Nov 23, 2016 10:56:40 GMT
DC -2 And that's because we've had that coming all season especially at home , we can't keep starting our negative and lack of creativity starting line up and expect to come back from it as we usually trying to because eventually we will get found out , MK dons were sh** and that's the reason why we weren't punished then but tonight we were made to pay, away to the Wall it was hard to try and decipher our obvious problems as the sending off made it hard to establish , personally thinking DC tinkers with the starting line up far too much to the extent that know one knows their ass from their elbow when it goes tits up , why not start our strongest attacking starting line up with a little bit of width at especially at home and on our travels keep it tight at the back and utilise Sinclair in his best role and snatch the points , hiccup We starte 4-4-2 with wingers, I wouldn't say that was negative
|
|
|
Post by oddsongas on Nov 23, 2016 10:58:11 GMT
The MoM award should have gone to the Gasheads who were supporting the team through 96 mins despite the performance. Thought the noise volume was fairly low from my seat. Need to be a bit noisier throughout the game. Why do we seem to start singing after we have conceded a goal. I was stood on the east terrace and thought the crowd were excellent tonight. Had a quite spell end of first half beginning of second, other than that was the loudest I've heard us in a while P.s I thought charlton fans were very very quiet.
|
|
|
Post by WeAreTheGas on Nov 23, 2016 10:59:13 GMT
The MoM award should have gone to the Gasheads who were supporting the team through 96 mins despite the performance. Thought the noise volume was fairly low from my seat. Need to be a bit noisier throughout the game. Why do we seem to start singing after we have conceded a goal. Fair to say you probably weren't contributing much to the atmosphere last night, then?
|
|
|
Post by WeAreTheGas on Nov 23, 2016 11:01:46 GMT
DC -2 And that's because we've had that coming all season especially at home , we can't keep starting our negative and lack of creativity starting line up and expect to come back from it as we usually trying to because eventually we will get found out , MK dons were sh** and that's the reason why we weren't punished then but tonight we were made to pay, away to the Wall it was hard to try and decipher our obvious problems as the sending off made it hard to establish , personally thinking DC tinkers with the starting line up far too much to the extent that know one knows their ass from their elbow when it goes tits up , why not start our strongest attacking starting line up with a little bit of width at especially at home and on our travels keep it tight at the back and utilise Sinclair in his best role and snatch the points , hiccup You do realise we started in a 4-4-2 last night (not negative/had creativity/attacking line up/had width) with two wingers and two strikers? It's what some on here have been crying out for, as anything other than 4-4-2 is the work of the devil.
|
|
|
Post by faggotygas on Nov 23, 2016 11:11:29 GMT
No it's not still a sending off offence, if it's not a push, pull or hand ball and a penalty is given. Check the changes to the rules this summer. However the foul on Lines when he burst through, you would have a red card argument there. If the keeper made no attempt to play the ball and it was a deliberate foul then it is still a red card, along with the push/pull, handball etc. The rule has only changed so that honest attempts to win the ball as the last man but end up being fouls are now punishable with a yellow. It was up to the referee to decide if he honestly thought he meant to play the ball. Either way, it didn't exactly make much of a difference to the game and I doubt it massively will to Charlton long term as he isn't even their number 1 keeper, who may return for them on Saturday. Yep, but refs are clearly going to be quite lenient about that - it would have to be a blatent trip from behind nowhere near the ball for it to be red. The keeper last night attempted to get to the ball, but missed by miles - as far as I could see it.
|
|
|
Post by p4perlant3rn on Nov 23, 2016 11:17:28 GMT
My biggest frustration was that I just dont think that Montano and Moore have done enough to date to earn a starting position, both are passengers and have next to no impact on the game (the fact that both full backs offer more attacking threat speaks volumes). In my view, and playing to our strengths, if DC wants to play with width the only option at present is to play 3 centre halfs and wing backs.
This meant last night that we had to make 2 early subs to 'correct' this error, but bringing on Harrison for Sinclair was just bizarre - he is in poor form currently and surely Easter would have been able to slot in as an attacking midfielder which would allow him to use his ability to hold the ball up and bring players into play. There was no obvious urgent need to make the 3rd sub as early as he did and put as at risk should an injury occur, as it did unfortunately with JCS.
I was expecting DC to have held his hands up and say he had made an error with selection, but in fact pointed fingers at the players for underperforming. Clearly he does far more right than wrong, but this one just needs to be put to one side now with the focus on Saturday.
|
|
|
Post by peterparker on Nov 23, 2016 11:17:45 GMT
DC -2 And that's because we've had that coming all season especially at home , we can't keep starting our negative and lack of creativity starting line up and expect to come back from it as we usually trying to because eventually we will get found out , MK dons were sh** and that's the reason why we weren't punished then but tonight we were made to pay, away to the Wall it was hard to try and decipher our obvious problems as the sending off made it hard to establish , personally thinking DC tinkers with the starting line up far too much to the extent that know one knows their ass from their elbow when it goes tits up , why not start our strongest attacking starting line up with a little bit of width at especially at home and on our travels keep it tight at the back and utilise Sinclair in his best role and snatch the points , hiccup You do realise we started in a 4-4-2 last night (not negative/had creativity/attacking line up/had width) with two wingers and two strikers? It's what some on here have been crying out for, as anything other than 4-4-2 is the work of the devil. and Lines, Taylor, Gaffney came in as so many were screaming for
|
|
|
Post by aggigas on Nov 23, 2016 11:19:16 GMT
Rules have changed... if inside the box it's only a yellow as the penalty is seemed to be enough justice Rules HAVE changed but a deliberate professional foul where no attempt is made to play the ball is STILL a red card offence even when a penalty is awarded. If you want to talk about laws, after watching it again the keeper has tried to play the ball (so can already only be a yellow) but also gaffney is going away from goal which also changes it to a yellow not a red. Last nights performance was hopefully just a one off, 8 or 9 of the players were very poor, defence giving players to much time and space around our 18yrd box allowing them to get the shot away, not closing then down fast enough or at times at all. I might upset some people here but what position was chris lines playing last night, picking the ball up between our centre backs and at least 3 times was the deepest player on the pitch, and then from that position tries playing the hollywood pass, hes at his best when hes driving forward with the ball and that can only come when he picks the ball up in the middle of the park not from the defence position he was taking up last night And how many times do we wanna go back?? In one attack last night we went from there 18yrd box to roos in 3 passes, i know about keeping the ball and all that but there are simple passes sideways at times that keeps you up in there half, keeping the defence pressed back, by going back to lockyer all the time were doing there job for them as they can then push up the field Rant over
|
|
|
Post by peterparker on Nov 23, 2016 11:19:29 GMT
My biggest frustration was that I just dont think that Montano and Moore have done enough to date to earn a starting position, both are passengers and have next to no impact on the game (the fact that both full backs offer more attacking threat speaks volumes). In my view, and playing to our strengths, if DC wants to play with width the only option at present is to play 3 centre halfs and wing backs. This meant last night that we had to make 2 early subs to 'correct' this error, but bringing on Harrison for Sinclair was just bizarre - he is in poor form currently and surely Easter would have been able to slot in as an attacking midfielder which would allow him to use his ability to hold the ball up and bring players into play. There was no obvious urgent need to make the 3rd sub as early as he did and put as at risk should an injury occur, as it did unfortunately with JCS. I was expecting DC to have held his hands up and say he had made an error with selection, but in fact pointed fingers at the players for underperforming. Clearly he does far more right than wrong, but this one just needs to be put to one side now with the focus on Saturday. How dare you suggest DC got it wrong, when he started with wingers. Don’t you know we are better when we play with them
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 11:19:32 GMT
DC -2 And that's because we've had that coming all season especially at home , we can't keep starting our negative and lack of creativity starting line up and expect to come back from it as we usually trying to because eventually we will get found out , MK dons were sh** and that's the reason why we weren't punished then but tonight we were made to pay, away to the Wall it was hard to try and decipher our obvious problems as the sending off made it hard to establish , personally thinking DC tinkers with the starting line up far too much to the extent that know one knows their ass from their elbow when it goes tits up , why not start our strongest attacking starting line up with a little bit of width at especially at home and on our travels keep it tight at the back and utilise Sinclair in his best role and snatch the points , hiccup are you sure you at the game as we started with 2 wingers and and lines in midfield so im not sure how it could be more attacking?
|
|
|
Post by wiaww on Nov 23, 2016 12:30:17 GMT
Looking at the highlights I think that Roos should have done better with all of the goals. He's come in for some pretty harsh criticism so far this season and I understand that while the goalkeeper is in a much more precarious position in that all mistakes are polarised I can't help but feel that some of that criticism is starting to look justified.
KR looks devoid of any confidence at the moment and it seems to be having a big impact on his game, which I imagine isn't helping the defence in general. Hopefully something can be done about that in the coming weeks.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 12:45:03 GMT
DC -2 And that's because we've had that coming all season especially at home , we can't keep starting our negative and lack of creativity starting line up and expect to come back from it as we usually trying to because eventually we will get found out , MK dons were sh** and that's the reason why we weren't punished then but tonight we were made to pay, away to the Wall it was hard to try and decipher our obvious problems as the sending off made it hard to establish , personally thinking DC tinkers with the starting line up far too much to the extent that know one knows their ass from their elbow when it goes tits up , why not start our strongest attacking starting line up with a little bit of width at especially at home and on our travels keep it tight at the back and utilise Sinclair in his best role and snatch the points , hiccup We starte 4-4-2 with wingers, I wouldn't say that was negative Like we did against Mk then ?
|
|
|
Post by GasAttacK on Nov 23, 2016 12:51:30 GMT
We actually had more possession, more shots and more corners but managed to lose 5-1.
To be honest I thought we did okay in the first half. We had plenty of attacking play and could easily have scored a couple of goals. I'm not sure the half time changes were necessary, they certainly didn't work. Charlton were ahead thanks to a long range deflected shot and some poor defending just before half time. I think that goal just before the break made Clarke change tactics but I think we'd have been better sticking with 4-4-2. I personally didn't think the wingers were doing too badly. Both Monty and Moore put in near perfect crosses for Taylor, the first Taylor used his hand and the second was about an inch too high for him to keep below the bar. I thought we were causing them problems and maybe the introduction of Bodin or Easter might have been a better option.
Second half was very poor. We were struggling even before JCS went off and as I said the change in formation really didn't work.
Roos isn't good enough and we now have a problem at CB with both JC & JCS out injured because McChrystal is a liability at this level. We need more from our wingers and the only midfielders that are fairly consistent are Lines and Sinclair. Colkett was awful last night. We're also now struggling to score goals. The late penalty was the only one scored in our last 3 league games.
This period is going to be a real test of DC's management.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 12:52:16 GMT
DC -2 And that's because we've had that coming all season especially at home , we can't keep starting our negative and lack of creativity starting line up and expect to come back from it as we usually trying to because eventually we will get found out , MK dons were sh** and that's the reason why we weren't punished then but tonight we were made to pay, away to the Wall it was hard to try and decipher our obvious problems as the sending off made it hard to establish , personally thinking DC tinkers with the starting line up far too much to the extent that know one knows their ass from their elbow when it goes tits up , why not start our strongest attacking starting line up with a little bit of width at especially at home and on our travels keep it tight at the back and utilise Sinclair in his best role and snatch the points , hiccup are you sure you at the game as we started with 2 wingers and and lines in midfield so im not sure how it could be more attacking? I was at the game yes but my point is he tinkers with the team far too much for my liking which just complicates things as is now starting to show.
|
|
|
Post by Antonio Fargas on Nov 23, 2016 13:17:19 GMT
We actually had more possession, more shots and more corners but managed to lose 5-1. To be honest I thought we did okay in the first half. We had plenty of attacking play and could easily have scored a couple of goals. I'm not sure the half time changes were necessary, they certainly didn't work. Yep, I still fancied we might get something at half time. istm it was changed just coz we were 2-0 down. I thought Moore was having a decent game. It didn't help that Ellis and Colkett both had mares.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 15:01:26 GMT
Multiple player changes Relying on top scorer Formation changes Poor first half's in every game
To be honest we have been doing all of the above and somehow were still rubbing shoulders with promotion hopefuls. To do all this and still stay in the mix is a good achievement but it was always going to catch up with us eventually. DC is not pioneering a new way of football management, it worked for a short time but what he does next I think will define him as a football manager regardless of previous successes.
Rather him than me judging by recent games.
|
|