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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 6:29:45 GMT
Scrotums ? Its fine to disagree on stuff Ras people just get watered off when people are rude and smug in the process. (Esp if a moderator)
The document is based on where we were then which was dieing on our arse. The current board managed to cover the desperate finances we needed but at the expense of the share scheme which is a shame. The share scheme at is height was generating tens of thousands of pounds a month.
What the document representa to me is great ideas and yes good intentions but good honest hard working people that the club has really missed. Its also a reminder of just how long the stadium issue has been going on.
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Post by CheshireGas on Aug 22, 2014 8:16:53 GMT
Bear in mind the club had a lot more people then who were prepared to put in their time for gratis. The club has lost a lot of well intentioned able people who have been driven away from all parts of the club especially many of those who provided much needed income in the higher spend parts of the club. It is not only ex directors who need to be brought back into the fold. There are a lot of very clever people who were willing to put in time and energy to build the club up.
Also those who talk of us being low in Nove 2006 we continued to be pants that season until the spring. I went to Accrington when we struggled to get a point. On the back of that I booked a holiday and ending up missing up the Play Off final at Wembley!!
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Post by meader on Aug 22, 2014 9:09:08 GMT
Is someone suggesting this be reserected?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 9:27:47 GMT
Is someone suggesting this be reserected? I wouldn't have thought so, it was written for a Football League club. I don't see many non league clubs going out of their way to assist another non league club with their scouting network.
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Post by baggins on Aug 22, 2014 11:45:09 GMT
I've had a quick scan through the document, not the best written but it gets the point across, I guess. Now unless I've missed it, there doesn't seem to be any mention of how much it would cost to implement it or indeed how much the authors were willing to spend putting it into practice? All well and good saying we need to do this that and the other, but opening up the cheque book to make it happen is another scenario.
PS not meaning to stir it, just interested as to why these plans never happened.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 11:52:15 GMT
Why was this never acted upon or implimented? Because small men saw it as a personal attack upon them rather than what it was. A consolidation and move forwards on secure financial footing. It meant a director being allowed 200K shares from GD to start it and GD would not even think about it. The chairman saw to it that it was consigned to history with his lack of vision and frail ego. It's a bloody shame that the club never allowed it to be implemented. By now we would be secure with no debt. That seemed to frighten the then chair. It seems some want to be relied upon instead of thinking of what is best for the club
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Post by Mancgas has left the building on Aug 22, 2014 11:55:22 GMT
Mike Turl was going to put in £1.3 million (according to BBC at the time)
If people read it again, it's not about money, its about a club living within it's excellent for level turn over, involving fans and engaging with fans and maximising resources aimed at improving club from top to bottom.
We need a solid club to attract investors to the take the club to Championship or above, at the moment season on season we've simply spent hundreds of thousands of Directors own money to fail year on year, and it would have been far worse without windfalls and add on payments from many past transfers.
For me its quite simple, we need a plan, we have no visible signs of a plan.
Without a plan we're just going to bob around L2 occasionally promoting to L1, if we manage to get out of the conference, and in the process we will just make a succession of moderately rich directors a little poorer.
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Post by baggins on Aug 22, 2014 11:56:24 GMT
Why was this never acted upon or implimented? Because small men saw it as a personal attack upon them rather than what it was. A consolidation and move forwards on secure financial footing. It meant a director being allowed 200K shares from GD to start it and GD would not even think about it. The chairman saw to it that it was consigned to history with his lack of vision and frail ego. It's a bloody shame that the club never allowed it to be implemented. By now we would be secure with no debt. That seemed to frighten the then chair. It seems some want to be relied upon instead of thinking of what is best for the club That doesn't answer my question. How much money were they willing to spend to put the document outline into practice?
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Post by baggins on Aug 22, 2014 12:00:03 GMT
Mike Turl was going to put in £1.3 million (according to BBC at the time) If people read it again, it's not about money, its about a club living within it's excellent for level turn over, involving fans and engaging with fans and maximising resources aimed at improving club from top to bottom. We need a solid club to attract investors to the take the club to Championship or above, at the moment season on season we've simply spent hundreds of thousands of Directors own money to fail year on year, and it would have been far worse without windfalls and add on payments from many past transfers. For me its quite simple, we need a plan, we have no visible signs of a plan. Without a plan we're just going to bob around L2 occasionally promoting to L1, if we manage to get out of the conference, and in the process we will just make a succession of moderately rich directors a little poorer. Even I can write a power point document outlining what would be good business, but it's dead on the water unless I come up with figures and financial backing to put it into place. Maybe £1.3 mil wasn't enough or maybe Mike Turl wanted more for his investment than was viable to to the owners?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 12:11:35 GMT
Is someone suggesting this be reserected? I wouldn't have thought so, it was written for a Football League club. I don't see many non league clubs going out of their way to assist another non league club with their scouting network. Mike Turl is working this very plan with a club 2 leagues lower now and is tied in for 3 years.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 12:14:13 GMT
Mike Turl was going to put in £1.3 million (according to BBC at the time) If people read it again, it's not about money, its about a club living within it's excellent for level turn over, involving fans and engaging with fans and maximising resources aimed at improving club from top to bottom. We need a solid club to attract investors to the take the club to Championship or above, at the moment season on season we've simply spent hundreds of thousands of Directors own money to fail year on year, and it would have been far worse without windfalls and add on payments from many past transfers. For me its quite simple, we need a plan, we have no visible signs of a plan. Without a plan we're just going to bob around L2 occasionally promoting to L1, if we manage to get out of the conference, and in the process we will just make a succession of moderately rich directors a little poorer. Thank you for articulating it much better than I. I have only really started to look at it and put the figures together.
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Post by baggins on Aug 22, 2014 12:16:07 GMT
I wouldn't have thought so, it was written for a Football League club. I don't see many non league clubs going out of their way to assist another non league club with their scouting network. Mike Turl is working this very plan with a club 2 leagues lower now and is tied in for 3 years. And how much cash has he pledged for 3 years? Anything close to covering our annual costs?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 12:20:08 GMT
Mike Turl is working this very plan with a club 2 leagues lower now and is tied in for 3 years. And how much cash has he pledged for 3 years? Anything close to covering our annual costs? You probably heard NH say outright at the Q&A that Colin Williams and Mike were non runners. Quite bizarre given no one asked about them and their attempt to put together a plan in the summer
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Post by baggins on Aug 22, 2014 12:26:21 GMT
And how much cash has he pledged for 3 years? Anything close to covering our annual costs? You probably heard NH say outright at the Q&A that Colin Williams and Mike were non runners. Quite bizarre given no one asked about them and their attempt to put together a plan in the summer Plans are easy, paying for them is something else.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 12:27:11 GMT
You probably heard NH say outright at the Q&A that Colin Williams and Mike were non runners. Quite bizarre given no one asked about them and their attempt to put together a plan in the summer Plans are easy, paying for them is something else. I think you'll find Colin and Mike's plan was very well put together and financed
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 12:29:53 GMT
Discussing plans is an even better idea. Unfortunately this plan and how it could be implemented was never allowed to be discussed at board level.
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Post by baggins on Aug 22, 2014 12:32:04 GMT
Plans are easy, paying for them is something else. I think you'll find Colin and Mike's plan was very well put together and financed How much?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 12:53:55 GMT
I think you'll find Colin and Mike's plan was very well put together and financed How much? I am not privvy to that mate but I do know that both Colin and Mike would not have even made the attempt without due diligence given the history between and betwixt them and NH. It speaks volumes to me that NH felt the need to try to belittle them at the Q&A without any question pertaining to them. Colin tried to broker new finance in the Summer and put in a considerable amount of time in doing do. At one stage it was touted that he would step in as chairman in the interim. After being rebuffed,he them never turned his phone on for a good few days. Can you imagine how frustrating it must have been to actually get the deal together to only be dismissed out of hand ? We are not talking about some no mark trying to buy a piece of the club. These are two well connected and successful men who have always had the club at heart. It's a bloody shame that our board see them as hostile Bags
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Post by CheshireGas on Aug 22, 2014 12:58:54 GMT
You probably heard NH say outright at the Q&A that Colin Williams and Mike were non runners. Quite bizarre given no one asked about them and their attempt to put together a plan in the summer Plans are easy, paying for them is something else. Sitting on the outside, criticising and pulling a plan apart without giving any alternative is easy as well. I understand it never got to the point of declaring how much could be put in as the incumbents panicked and wouldn't discuss it. Mind you if the fans put in £1mln and that got them bugger all then it would have needed a hell of a lot more than £1.3mln in the eyes of the incumbents.....
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Post by baggins on Aug 22, 2014 13:12:35 GMT
I am not privvy to that mate but I do know that both Colin and Mike would not have even made the attempt without due diligence given the history between and betwixt them and NH. It speaks volumes to me that NH felt the need to try to belittle them at the Q&A without any question pertaining to them. Colin tried to broker new finance in the Summer and put in a considerable amount of time in doing do. At one stage it was touted that he would step in as chairman in the interim. After being rebuffed,he them never turned his phone on for a good few days. Can you imagine how frustrating it must have been to actually get the deal together to only be dismissed out of hand ? We are not talking about some no mark trying to buy a piece of the club. These are two well connected and successful men who have always had the club at heart. It's a bloody shame that our board see them as hostile.
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