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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2017 11:23:57 GMT
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Fabian Giefer [Schalke - Bristol City] Loan
Richard O'Donnell [Bristol City - Rotherham] Undisclosed
Andreas Weimann [Derby - Wolves] Loan
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2017 18:30:30 GMT
DC has said on several occasions he is very happy with the backing he has had from the board and they have made funds available to him when he wants them. With the team being upper half of league one I think it shows that the squad is strong enough to compete as a league one club. On course to be the highest league finish in 17 years. The home record is good...the last run of home games giving very good outcomes. Im not sure when rovers last scored 15 home goals over four consecutive games. Potentially if the away defensive performance can be improved Rovers could get promoted.Whether that is just down to needing a new defence and keeper or tweaking the tactics I don't know. The home form shows the team can keep clean sheets and win games. DC has already stated the club have one of the smaller wage bills in the division....but instead of grumbling shouldn't we be congratulating them on achieving what they have done and that having a higher wage bill like most of the teams below rovers in the league doesn't mean success is gained..... Dc has also mentioned that all clubs should start the season wanting a top six finish...otherwise why bother. Wanting and achieving are different things. If you are looking to impress the neighbours then its going to have to be a £10million signing....and that's not going to happen.It would destroy the team spirit for a start. Evolution is gradual changes that don't upset things but improve the general fortune of the team.
Not sure about anyone else but if I played for Rovers and we signed a player for 10 million i'd be buzzing. Not saying we should do that of course, but current players must understand quickly rising up the leagues will mean more quality has to be added and they could be in danger of being pushed out unless they step up with the level of football too. Wael has been clever in that he came in to a club already on the up and just after the last Jan transfer deadline, then gave us the evolution not revolution speech which makes you think does the emperor really have new clothes? I'm still happy to wait and see but am still suspicious of him. If I were a player and had come up from the conference with the club and the club signed a ten mil player I would be excited by the signing but quickly realise my days at the club were numbered.If he were in my position on the field then I would give up on trying to get picked....and that can start people being negative and picky and disruptive. Or it may not....not happened has it so wont know.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2017 22:36:33 GMT
Not sure about anyone else but if I played for Rovers and we signed a player for 10 million i'd be buzzing. Not saying we should do that of course, but current players must understand quickly rising up the leagues will mean more quality has to be added and they could be in danger of being pushed out unless they step up with the level of football too. Wael has been clever in that he came in to a club already on the up and just after the last Jan transfer deadline, then gave us the evolution not revolution speech which makes you think does the emperor really have new clothes? I'm still happy to wait and see but am still suspicious of him. If I were a player and had come up from the conference with the club and the club signed a ten mil player I would be excited by the signing but quickly realise my days at the club were numbered.If he were in my position on the field then I would give up on trying to get picked....and that can start people being negative and picky and disruptive. Or it may not....not happened has it so wont know.
I guess its down to the mentality of the players, although if they dont expect new signings to come into a successful team then they really don't know football. Decent minded players would appreciate the forward thinking of the club and be glad of the experience to be on the same pitch as top players and learn from them. If you arent good enough then you arent good enough and will be out on your arse anyway. All hypothetical as our record signing was 25 years ago and will probably will still be the record for a long while yet!
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Post by Gasshole on Jan 20, 2017 9:03:55 GMT
For me the transfer window is like chocolate ice cream. So much potential, everyone likes chocolate everyone likes ice cream. Invariably it's fun disappointing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 10:04:54 GMT
20 January
Jake Livermore [Hull - West Brom] About £10m
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Wes Burns [Bristol City - Fleetwood] Undisclosed
Chris Clements [Mansfield - Grimsby] Undisclosed
Jake Cooper [Reading - Millwall] Loan
Shaquile Coulthirst [Peterborough - Mansfield] Loan
Antony Evans [Everton - Morecambe] Loan
Cheick Keita [Virtus Entella - Birmingham] Undisclosed
Josh McQuoid [Luton - Stevenage] Loan
Robbie Muirhead [Hearts - MK Dons] Undisclosed
Jermaine Pennant [Unattached - Bury]
Jed Wallace [Wolves - Millwall] Loan
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 10:49:33 GMT
20 January Jake Livermore [Hull - West Brom] About £10m 19 January English Football League Wes Burns [Bristol City - Fleetwood] Undisclosed Chris Clements [Mansfield - Grimsby] Undisclosed Jake Cooper [Reading - Millwall] Loan Shaquile Coulthirst [Peterborough - Mansfield] Loan Antony Evans [Everton - Morecambe] Loan Cheick Keita [Virtus Entella - Birmingham] Undisclosed Josh McQuoid [Luton - Stevenage] Loan Robbie Muirhead [Hearts - MK Dons] Undisclosed Jermaine Pennant [Unattached - Bury] Jed Wallace [Wolves - Millwall] Loan
Wallace and/or Coulthirst would have been good additions
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Jan 20, 2017 11:00:29 GMT
I don't understand people's obsession with spending big money on signings. I would rather look at a player that has been brilliant for us and think 'we got him on a free a few years ago, what a bargain,' than think 'we broke our transfer record and paid a couple of mil for him, we got our money's worth.'
Spending big money on players isn't sustainable for a club like ours, as well as the fact that buying success doesn't really work (just look at the 82ers to see evidence of that). We used to spend big money we couldn't afford on absolute dross and people moaned about that (and rightly so because look where it got us). Now we are doing things the right way, living to our means and we have been successful with it. So let the current setup carry on doing what they are doing rather than having a go at Wael because he isn't splashing his well earned money on a hobby. Evolution not revolution. UTG!
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Post by markczgas on Jan 20, 2017 11:35:03 GMT
I don't understand people's obsession with spending big money on signings. I would rather look at a player that has been brilliant for us and think 'we got him on a free a few years ago, what a bargain,' than think 'we broke our transfer record and paid a couple of mil for him, we got our money's worth.' Spending big money on players isn't sustainable for a club like ours, as well as the fact that buying success doesn't really work (just look at the 82ers to see evidence of that). We used to spend big money we couldn't afford on absolute dross and people moaned about that (and rightly so because look where it got us). Now we are doing things the right way, living to our means and we have been successful with it. So let the current setup carry on doing what they are doing rather than having a go at Wael because he isn't splashing his well earned money on a hobby. Evolution not revolution. UTG! Agree but would be even nice to see a few FREE transfers ! We've lost 4 loan players and told 6 to leave - squad now a bit thin.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 11:47:42 GMT
I don't understand people's obsession with spending big money on signings. I would rather look at a player that has been brilliant for us and think 'we got him on a free a few years ago, what a bargain,' than think 'we broke our transfer record and paid a couple of mil for him, we got our money's worth.' Spending big money on players isn't sustainable for a club like ours, as well as the fact that buying success doesn't really work (just look at the 82ers to see evidence of that). We used to spend big money we couldn't afford on absolute dross and people moaned about that (and rightly so because look where it got us). Now we are doing things the right way, living to our means and we have been successful with it. So let the current setup carry on doing what they are doing rather than having a go at Wael because he isn't splashing his well earned money on a hobby. Evolution not revolution. UTG!
To be fair the 82ers stormed this league by spending money and are only struggling in the Championship.
Maybe its just a good indicator that we aren't ready for Championship football just now as we would need to 'spend big' to have any chance of survival.
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Post by pirateman on Jan 20, 2017 11:57:55 GMT
I don't understand people's obsession with spending big money on signings. I would rather look at a player that has been brilliant for us and think 'we got him on a free a few years ago, what a bargain,' than think 'we broke our transfer record and paid a couple of mil for him, we got our money's worth.' Spending big money on players isn't sustainable for a club like ours, as well as the fact that buying success doesn't really work (just look at the 82ers to see evidence of that). We used to spend big money we couldn't afford on absolute dross and people moaned about that (and rightly so because look where it got us). Now we are doing things the right way, living to our means and we have been successful with it. So let the current setup carry on doing what they are doing rather than having a go at Wael because he isn't splashing his well earned money on a hobby. Evolution not revolution. UTG!
To be fair the 82ers stormed this league by spending money and are only struggling in the Championship.
Maybe its just a good indicator that we aren't ready for Championship football just now as we would need to 'spend big' to have any chance of survival.
did Preston spend big?
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 20, 2017 12:06:56 GMT
I don't understand people's obsession with spending big money on signings. I would rather look at a player that has been brilliant for us and think 'we got him on a free a few years ago, what a bargain,' than think 'we broke our transfer record and paid a couple of mil for him, we got our money's worth.' Spending big money on players isn't sustainable for a club like ours, as well as the fact that buying success doesn't really work (just look at the 82ers to see evidence of that). We used to spend big money we couldn't afford on absolute dross and people moaned about that (and rightly so because look where it got us). Now we are doing things the right way, living to our means and we have been successful with it. So let the current setup carry on doing what they are doing rather than having a go at Wael because he isn't splashing his well earned money on a hobby. Evolution not revolution. UTG!
To be fair the 82ers stormed this league by spending money and are only struggling in the Championship.
Maybe its just a good indicator that we aren't ready for Championship football just now as we would need to 'spend big' to have any chance of survival.
That's always been the City way and why they have always struggled. Spend big doesn't guarantee you success. To be fair, Cottrell didn't spend massive money in L1, they spent bigger than most, but he got them organised and playing good football. They run out of steam because they didn't add sensibly in the summer window, signed some big money strikers that lacked the cohesion of a good squad mentality and since then they have just thrown money at it to try and survive. But it won't work, people start coming to you for big pay days and not for footballing reasons. David James is a classic example of that. Little Lee got £250k bonus for keeping them in the Championship, but has it fixed the problem? City are lucky both Wigan and Rotherham as so poor this year, but if they go down this year I wont be surprised. It's also one of the reasons why we got relegated out of L1 in 2011. We threw big money around and no one was interested in actually playing football for our club. The the rest of the fall out happens like a line of dominos. So far 75% of the additions DC has made have been positive, and considering any move for a player is a game of russian roulette, thats not a bad return.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Jan 20, 2017 12:52:30 GMT
To be fair the 82ers stormed this league by spending money and are only struggling in the Championship.
Maybe its just a good indicator that we aren't ready for Championship football just now as we would need to 'spend big' to have any chance of survival.
did Preston spend big? And Bournemouth. They didn't do too badly without spending tens of millions
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 20, 2017 13:10:29 GMT
Why do fans keep comparing us to the 82ers, it's totally irrelevant to where we are in Div 1, we need to be competing with the likes of P'boro, Fleetwood etc and you sense they are spending more that us at present, nobody is suggesting we spend £500K on a new CM but attracting a decent Div 1 player would be nice, not just totally National League & young inexperienced loan players. We even signed Lines when we were in the Conference but the chances of getting somebody similar now seems beyond us!!
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 20, 2017 13:10:34 GMT
And Bournemouth. They didn't do too badly without spending tens of millions They spent about £3M to get out of League One. As soon as they got to The Championship they spent about £8M, and they've spent about £70M since. I don't get the love in with Bournemouth.
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 20, 2017 13:15:58 GMT
I don't understand people's obsession with spending big money on signings. I would rather look at a player that has been brilliant for us and think 'we got him on a free a few years ago, what a bargain,' than think 'we broke our transfer record and paid a couple of mil for him, we got our money's worth.' Spending big money on players isn't sustainable for a club like ours, as well as the fact that buying success doesn't really work (just look at the 82ers to see evidence of that). We used to spend big money we couldn't afford on absolute dross and people moaned about that (and rightly so because look where it got us). Now we are doing things the right way, living to our means and we have been successful with it. So let the current setup carry on doing what they are doing rather than having a go at Wael because he isn't splashing his well earned money on a hobby. Evolution not revolution. UTG!
To be fair the 82ers stormed this league by spending money and are only struggling in the Championship.
Maybe its just a good indicator that we aren't ready for Championship football just now as we would need to 'spend big' to have any chance of survival.
City stormed the league in their second season down. The previous year they finished 12th but in the relegation zone for most of the season. We are 4 points off the Play Offs in our first season back at this level, and we all know DC and his teams have a habit of hitting form in the latter stages of the season. If we don't go up this year(I don't think we have a cat in hell's chance by the way), whose to say we won't storm it next year?
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Jan 20, 2017 13:30:19 GMT
And Bournemouth. They didn't do too badly without spending tens of millions They spent about £3M to get out of League One. As soon as they got to The Championship they spent about £8M, and they've spent about £70M since. I don't get the love in with Bournemouth. Spending £8million on numerous players over two seasons in the Championship is barely a fortune when you look at where that's got them. One player can cost nearly double that amount in the Championship these days. Villa have spent about £50 million this season and they are nowhere. I think what Bournemouth achieved was pretty incredible.
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 20, 2017 13:42:20 GMT
They spent about £3M to get out of League One. As soon as they got to The Championship they spent about £8M, and they've spent about £70M since. I don't get the love in with Bournemouth. Spending £8million on numerous players over two seasons in the Championship is barely a fortune when you look at where that's got them. One player can cost nearly double that amount in the Championship these days. Villa have spent about £50 million this season and they are nowhere. I think what Bournemouth achieved was pretty incredible. I've just added it up, they've spent £99M since 2013/14. Not that incredible an achievement. Don't get me wrong I'm not knocking them, but it's hardly a shoestring budget.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 13:42:54 GMT
If I were a player and had come up from the conference with the club and the club signed a ten mil player I would be excited by the signing but quickly realise my days at the club were numbered.If he were in my position on the field then I would give up on trying to get picked....and that can start people being negative and picky and disruptive. Or it may not....not happened has it so wont know.
I guess its down to the mentality of the players, although if they dont expect new signings to come into a successful team then they really don't know football. Decent minded players would appreciate the forward thinking of the club and be glad of the experience to be on the same pitch as top players and learn from them. If you arent good enough then you arent good enough and will be out on your arse anyway. All hypothetical as our record signing was 25 years ago and will probably will still be the record for a long while yet! Yes ,I think if the club spend £100,000 on a player then the players will see that as someone they can compete with for a place. I f the transfer fee is well beyond what they would expect for themselves then a sense of having no chance may arise. If Rovers signed Harry Kane, Wayne Rooney and Diego Costa for a far fetched example then Matty Taylor would expect not to play many games if ever. Thus maybe becoming despondent ?
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Jan 20, 2017 13:54:22 GMT
Spending £8million on numerous players over two seasons in the Championship is barely a fortune when you look at where that's got them. One player can cost nearly double that amount in the Championship these days. Villa have spent about £50 million this season and they are nowhere. I think what Bournemouth achieved was pretty incredible. I've just added it up, they've spent £99M since 2013/14. Not that incredible an achievement. Don't get me wrong I'm not knocking them, but it's hardly a shoestring budget. But probably £90 million of that is since they've been in the Premier League. I'm sure they didn't have the smallest budget in their promotion season, but I bet it was in the bottom 8/10.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 14:09:11 GMT
I guess its down to the mentality of the players, although if they dont expect new signings to come into a successful team then they really don't know football. Decent minded players would appreciate the forward thinking of the club and be glad of the experience to be on the same pitch as top players and learn from them. If you arent good enough then you arent good enough and will be out on your arse anyway. All hypothetical as our record signing was 25 years ago and will probably will still be the record for a long while yet! Yes ,I think if the club spend £100,000 on a player then the players will see that as someone they can compete with for a place. I f the transfer fee is well beyond what they would expect for themselves then a sense of having no chance may arise. If Rovers signed Harry Kane, Wayne Rooney and Diego Costa for a far fetched example then Matty Taylor would expect not to play many games if ever. Thus maybe becoming despondent ?
Probably, but then we would have Rooney, Costa and Kane playing for us so what does it matter?
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