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Post by Henbury Gas on Jan 5, 2017 12:36:00 GMT
DC says he understand Chelsea recalling him and feels as though Colkett's form has dropped off lately but he is surely he would have played more games between now and the end of the season. DC is sure Colkett will become a really good player but needs to improve the defensive part of his game.He could say that about any of our front players.... Taylor when it comes to defense is very poor...
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 5, 2017 12:39:16 GMT
DC says he understand Chelsea recalling him and feels as though Colkett's form has dropped off lately but he is surely he would have played more games between now and the end of the season. DC is sure Colkett will become a really good player but needs to improve the defensive part of his game.He could say that about any of our front players.... Taylor when it comes to defense is very poor... I think Taylor is the only one who could really say it about. There are some not great at it but will do it or need a kick up the ass now and again like Lines. I do wonder with Taylor though whether he is told not to do so much defensive work as it's strange that his work rate has gone down over time but his goal ratio has gone up.
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Post by William Wilson on Jan 5, 2017 12:40:43 GMT
why get him in the first place then. DC & Co have been chasing him for 18 Months before Chelski let him come here. He most have had a look at him during that time ? Because Nostradamus must be currently on the staff of a different club. I expect he was far too busy, foretelling world wars and the Kennedy brothers` assassinations, to worry about Charlie Colkett returning to Chelsea.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 5, 2017 12:43:48 GMT
Because Nostradamus must be currently on the staff of a different club. I expect he was far too busy, foretelling world wars and the Kennedy brothers` assassinations, to worry about Charlie Colkett returning to Chelsea. A man in blue, with white socks And his blue and white become quarters Will fire in a goal against the Bantams and the Cobblers Then his form will tail off a bit
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Post by grayraydon on Jan 5, 2017 12:45:03 GMT
You say quality but do you honestly think that if he was true quality that DC wouldn't be playing him every week or at least a lot more than he did, and as someone else said he's played 15 times, for a young kid with no previous experience what do you expect? a starting place every week? As for your dig at DC, 'I won't hold my breath' really? is that in any way necessary, has he not made any signings that you've been happy with? I honestly think some 'fans' would rather he fails just so they can say I told you so, he can't sign anyone he doesn't know/isn't from Salisbury. These extra loan players were obviously brought in because of the nonsense new loan rules, and if it means that we get less loans in now as these clubs won't let their players come here then so be it, never really been a big fan of loan players anyway, they're never gonna have the same feel and passion/connection with the fans as someone who is contracted to the club. Ok if DC had to replace him with a similar proven player with his skills, how much would that cost. Remember Everton are about to pay £10m + for a very similar player both in age and Quality.... SO i don't have any faith in DC replacing him with a proven player of his quality, Hence i will not hold my breath. But CC isn't a 'proven' player, he's a youngster with 15 first team appearances, largely substitute appearances behind him, compared to 45 first team games for Lookman, quite a big difference imo.
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Post by garystash on Jan 5, 2017 12:47:16 GMT
DC says he understand Chelsea recalling him and feels as though Colkett's form has dropped off lately but he is surely he would have played more games between now and the end of the season. DC is sure Colkett will become a really good player but needs to improve the defensive part of his game. I don't wish to sound like a DC basher, but he says that about all players who's primary job is to open up the opposition. We'll never see a real flair player getting games consistently under DC because in general they don't defend.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2017 12:48:55 GMT
Colkett - a complex fruit which is yet to ripen
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Post by stevek192 on Jan 5, 2017 12:50:46 GMT
The answer is improve the defence rather than DCs answer which is always improve the attackers and midfields defensive qualities. Nearly all of our attacking players have to spend most of the game playing deep and IMO it is bloody amazing that we have scored as many goals as we have.
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Post by grayraydon on Jan 5, 2017 12:51:59 GMT
Both Charlton games were very similar in one respect- Charlton at the Mem created probably seven chances and converted five and the other two chances were sitters missed,on Saturday at Charlton they had probably six chances-converted four and hit the bar twice. In the game at the Mem we were killed off by a second goal AGAINST the run of play on half time and DC changed the team and made all three substitutions very early in the second half taking off both wingers as I recall at half time and thereby changing the formation and then he was "bit on the bum" when he made the third substitution and pretty well lost Clarke-Salter straight afterwards and then the game was over. On Saturday the team was completely wrong and for me in both games DC got his substitutions completely wrong because in both games the route cause of the defeats was the defence yet DC changed other areas of the team.
Far too often the wingers get the blame for poor performances and are then replace by players who give us no width at all. Sorry but whilst I trust DC entirely for getting generally success I neither have faith in the signings he makes or his team selection. His downfall and his success is down to taking each individual game as a project which means generally selection is very unsteady and very few players get the chance to "build" their form hence we see very little in the way of consistency from players- for at least half of the team and three quarters of the squad it is a case of come on and play brilliantly or you are out next game or substituted at half time or soon after. The unfair part of this is that some players have an unfair advantage because they can have bad games and still play every game - Lee Brown and Tom Lockyer are examples of this. This game is very much a results game and so DC has a great record and therefore we are sure to see the present methods continued and can't really complain because we all want success. I am not so convinced about this brilliant team spirit within the squad abnd I think how players are returning to their clubs shows this. Whatever people say NOBODY can be happy or should they be if they are not playing and even more so if they see certain players playing poorly and continually being selected in front of them. Surely changing the defence when you are already losing 2 or 3-1 is a case of closing the stable door after the horse has bolted? what's the point in subbing a defender for another defender when chasing a game? and as for changing the defence going into the game, everybody has been calling for an unchanged back line all season, he did that Saturday and what happened there?
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 5, 2017 13:02:09 GMT
DC says he understand Chelsea recalling him and feels as though Colkett's form has dropped off lately but he is surely he would have played more games between now and the end of the season. DC is sure Colkett will become a really good player but needs to improve the defensive part of his game. I don't wish to sound like a DC basher, but he says that about all players who's primary job is to open up the opposition. We'll never see a real flair player getting games consistently under DC because in general they don't defend. But who can knock the results DC's got in the short time he's been in charge? Whatever he's doing works a damn sight better than the previous half a dozen managers tried to achieve. The Shrewsbury game highlighted for me how lightweight our midfield was when we play Boateng & Colkett in the middle. In a way this could be a good move as hopefully DC can bring in better replacements, I did say hopefully!
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jan 5, 2017 13:20:19 GMT
Ok if DC had to replace him with a similar proven player with his skills, how much would that cost. Remember Everton are about to pay £10m + for a very similar player both in age and Quality.... SO i don't have any faith in DC replacing him with a proven player of his quality, Hence i will not hold my breath. But CC isn't a 'proven' player, he's a youngster with 15 first team appearances, largely substitute appearances behind him, compared to 45 first team games for Lookman, quite a big difference imo. But he was all we could get for the money.... you can't expect a young player like him to perform like a seasoned pro Be interesting to see who he gets in as backup Chris Lines....
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Post by peterparker on Jan 5, 2017 13:20:34 GMT
so do we want Colkett or more proven League One experience?
I forget what we are demanding this week?
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Post by peterparker on Jan 5, 2017 13:21:04 GMT
so do we want Colkett or more proven League One experience?
I forget what we are demanding this week?
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 5, 2017 13:23:04 GMT
I always felt in his first two years that DC only brought in players he thought would play and improve the team. He wasn't always successful but that was what he was trying to do. This season with new loan system he can't do that he has been forced to have players that will be in squad and who he hopes will force their way into the team. And it's not only DC that will have this problem other league 1 and 2 manages will be faced with same problem. It is a shame that it appears that Palace, Chelsea and Swansea have recalled their players but if they think their players must play then that is pure arrogance and perhaps they are learning also how to best use this new system as well. Trouble is the power these PL clubs have now makes it even harder for clubs like us and despite being a good manager I bet DC doesn't have the contacts that other managers in this league does and I suspect that other managers have less loyalty to players than DC especially after the last two years together. That loyalty may well have upset the PL clubs we were loaning from. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2017 13:29:51 GMT
so do we want Colkett or more proven League One experience? I forget what we are demanding this week?
Someone better than what we have would be a good start.
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Post by countygroundhotel on Jan 5, 2017 13:35:25 GMT
Usual stuff on here anything said against the party line and you're accused of wanting DC out. What a fantastic advertisement for the art of debate.
Still looks like we need a centrehalf so I'm sure DC will be able to use the contacts he has built up at Chelsea. Palace or Swansea to bring one in, after all I'm sure those clubs are falling over themselves to see what they can do for Bristol Rovers.
Loans have been badly handled this season and that won't have gone unnoticed by clubs looking to loan players out.
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Post by peterparker on Jan 5, 2017 13:41:22 GMT
Usual stuff on here anything said against the party line and you're accused of wanting DC out. What a fantastic advertisement for the art of debate. Still looks like we need a centrehalf so I'm sure DC will be able to use the contacts he has built up at Chelsea. Palace or Swansea to bring one in, after all I'm sure those clubs are falling over themselves to see what they can do for Bristol Rovers. Loans have been badly handled this season and that won't have gone unnoticed by clubs looking to loan players out. but these are the rules for all the clubs now. Before we would have got players in as and when we needed them. Now us and every other club has to take a punt on some, so there are numbers available to pick.
It isn't going to be a situation unique to BRFC
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2017 13:44:13 GMT
There are some real lunatics on here. FFS, when did people get so sensitive about a loan recall?
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Post by countygroundhotel on Jan 5, 2017 13:46:35 GMT
Usual stuff on here anything said against the party line and you're accused of wanting DC out. What a fantastic advertisement for the art of debate. Still looks like we need a centrehalf so I'm sure DC will be able to use the contacts he has built up at Chelsea. Palace or Swansea to bring one in, after all I'm sure those clubs are falling over themselves to see what they can do for Bristol Rovers. Loans have been badly handled this season and that won't have gone unnoticed by clubs looking to loan players out. but these are the rules for all the clubs now. Before we would have got players in as and when we needed them. Now us and every other club has to take a punt on some, so there are numbers available to pick.
It isn't going to be a situation unique to BRFC
Is that the tenth time you've posted that on this thread? Do you believe it yet? Clubs loan players out to get game time end of. When clubs don't give those players game time then they're less likely to be loaned players again. Simples I'm sure you can understand but if not just keep repeating yourself.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Jan 5, 2017 13:57:14 GMT
but these are the rules for all the clubs now. Before we would have got players in as and when we needed them. Now us and every other club has to take a punt on some, so there are numbers available to pick.
It isn't going to be a situation unique to BRFC
Is that the tenth time you've posted that on this thread? Do you believe it yet? Clubs loan players out to get game time end of. When clubs don't give those players game time then they're less likely to be loaned players again. Simples I'm sure you can understand but if not just keep repeating yourself. To be fair you're pretty much dismissing what he is saying. If all clubs are in the same boat then they're not going to get game time anywhere. So what will PL clubs do? Stop loaning players out altogether and just have them sat in the stands watching the first team? I think this new rule is pretty ridiculous because it is forcing clubs to make a decision on their squad for a few months at a time and there are going to be lots of situations like this where players will be loaned simply for backup to cover injuries. Yet another masterplan of player development by the FA
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