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Post by peterparker on Jan 5, 2017 14:05:36 GMT
but these are the rules for all the clubs now. Before we would have got players in as and when we needed them. Now us and every other club has to take a punt on some, so there are numbers available to pick.
It isn't going to be a situation unique to BRFC
Is that the tenth time you've posted that on this thread? Do you believe it yet? Clubs loan players out to get game time end of. When clubs don't give those players game time then they're less likely to be loaned players again. Simples I'm sure you can understand but if not just keep repeating yourself. Perhaps we shouldn't have loaned anyone in?
Of course clubs loan players out to play. Unfortunately it doesn't always work out because they are crap (and we have plenty of those over the years), the whole team is crap, players take a chance in front of them
People keep moaning we need more Dam league one experience because and now moaning a lightweight 20 year old midfielder has been called back.
I don't think Roberts was anymore than Competition to push both full-back, Clarke-Salter has gotten injured, Colkett ahs played some games and scored a few goals. Not sure what the deal with Boateng was
People seem to bloody paranoid seeing us as a mid-table team that win some games and lose games. DC will probably be moaned out for bringing in another dodgy keeper or the wrong centre-half in the next couple of weeks
a quick google search
Man U have recalled Borthwick-Jackson from Wolves because he hasn't played
Chelsea appear to be recalling Izzy Brown to send him somewhere else other than bottom of The Championship Rotherham
Arsenal to recall Jon Toral from Granada
The fullback has managed just six appearances with Granada this season and the Gunners are ready to cut short the loan.
Jon Toral to be recalled, likely to join Rangers Daily Cannon (satire) (blog)-7 hours ago
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 5, 2017 14:25:17 GMT
Bar Roberts, and none of us really know why he's had so little game time, DC's given every player a fair chance but they've all struggled to hold down a first team place.
What did posters expect DC did any better, play them just to keep their parent clubs happy even if it means losing games and, potentially, him losing his job?
You could argue they weren't the right players to sign but until there are here then it's hard to judge.
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Post by LJG on Jan 5, 2017 14:35:08 GMT
Bar Roberts, and none of us really know why he's had so little game time, DC's given every player a fair chance but they've all struggled to hold down a first team place. What did posters expect DC did any better, play them just to keep their parent clubs happy even if it means losing games and, potentially, him losing his job? You could argue they weren't the right players to sign but until there are here then it's hard to judge. Colkett has shown skill, creativity and flair and scored goals. Saying he "struggled to hold down a first team place" is like saying Terry Waite struggled to complete a walking holiday in Beiruit.
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Post by Severncider on Jan 5, 2017 14:42:50 GMT
I'd love to know what Wael thinks about this.
Ignore what he says on social media. IMO he is probably not happy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2017 14:44:22 GMT
Bar Roberts, and none of us really know why he's had so little game time, DC's given every player a fair chance but they've all struggled to hold down a first team place. What did posters expect DC did any better, play them just to keep their parent clubs happy even if it means losing games and, potentially, him losing his job? You could argue they weren't the right players to sign but until there are here then it's hard to judge. Colkett has shown skill, creativity and flair and scored goals. Saying he "struggled to hold down a first team place" is like saying Terry Waite struggled to complete a walking holiday in Beiruit. Colkett's issue was never talent but consistency at that age for this level. Which is completely fair enough! He struggled in games like Shrewsbury away etc. and so probably deserved a rest or needed replacing for a few games. Actually think Chelsea are to blame for this, DC managing the kid's development rather than running him into the ground when he's had a poor game or whatever. Ironic that Chelsea want players playing 100% of the time at loan clubs yet they are pretty awful in terms of getting these players into their own first team. He's made appearances for us in 60% of league games, for a player who is playing senior football for the first time I don't think that's awful. Swansea have an argument re: Roberts but not Chelsea in my opinion.
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Post by countygroundhotel on Jan 5, 2017 14:44:27 GMT
Is that the tenth time you've posted that on this thread? Do you believe it yet? Clubs loan players out to get game time end of. When clubs don't give those players game time then they're less likely to be loaned players again. Simples I'm sure you can understand but if not just keep repeating yourself. Perhaps we shouldn't have loaned anyone in?
Of course clubs loan players out to play. Unfortunately it doesn't always work out because they are crap (and we have plenty of those over the years), the whole team is crap, players take a chance in front of them
People keep moaning we need more f**king league one experience because and now moaning a lightweight 20 year old midfielder has been called back.
I don't think Roberts was anymore than Competition to push both full-back, Clarke-Salter has gotten injured, Colkett ahs played some games and scored a few goals. Not sure what the deal with Boateng was
People seem to bloody paranoid seeing us as a mid-table team that win some games and lose games. DC will probably be moaned out for bringing in another dodgy keeper or the wrong centre-half in the next couple of weeks
a quick google search
Man U have recalled Borthwick-Jackson from Wolves because he hasn't played
Chelsea appear to be recalling Izzy Brown to send him somewhere else other than bottom of The Championship Rotherham
Arsenal to recall Jon Toral from Granada
The fullback has managed just six appearances with Granada this season and the Gunners are ready to cut short the loan.
Jon Toral to be recalled, likely to join Rangers Daily Cannon (satire) (blog)-7 hours ago
So of all those teams in the same boat as us you've found wolves, Rotherham and granada (are the rules and recent changes the same in Spain). Empirical evidence there for the easily convinced. If you choose to believe that clubs loaning players won't favour clubs or managers who have demonstrated a track record of giving loan players game time then I'd view you as an idiot. You can disagree with say Yeovils use of loan players but clubs were happy to loan them players because they know they'll get the game time the parent club wants. The parent clubs couldn't really give a rats arse about yeovil they only care about what yeovil can do to develop their players. If you want to use the loan system you need to play the game, whether it's right to play the game is another question. But you bury your head in the sand pretending it doesn't matter because the systems changed I'm sure that will have a positive effect
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Post by countygroundhotel on Jan 5, 2017 14:47:34 GMT
Bar Roberts, and none of us really know why he's had so little game time, DC's given every player a fair chance but they've all struggled to hold down a first team place. What did posters expect DC did any better, play them just to keep their parent clubs happy even if it means losing games and, potentially, him losing his job? You could argue they weren't the right players to sign but until there are here then it's hard to judge. Two of those loan players were regular, good players in our league last year I would've presumed before signing them that DC had had them watched, knew what they could bring to the squad and how he was going to use them. The evidence suggests not though. The Chelsea lads I wouldn't be surprised if they were signed sight unseen
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Post by peterparker on Jan 5, 2017 14:50:36 GMT
Perhaps we shouldn't have loaned anyone in?
Of course clubs loan players out to play. Unfortunately it doesn't always work out because they are crap (and we have plenty of those over the years), the whole team is crap, players take a chance in front of them
People keep moaning we need more f**king league one experience because and now moaning a lightweight 20 year old midfielder has been called back.
I don't think Roberts was anymore than Competition to push both full-back, Clarke-Salter has gotten injured, Colkett ahs played some games and scored a few goals. Not sure what the deal with Boateng was
People seem to bloody paranoid seeing us as a mid-table team that win some games and lose games. DC will probably be moaned out for bringing in another dodgy keeper or the wrong centre-half in the next couple of weeks
a quick google search
Man U have recalled Borthwick-Jackson from Wolves because he hasn't played
Chelsea appear to be recalling Izzy Brown to send him somewhere else other than bottom of The Championship Rotherham
Arsenal to recall Jon Toral from Granada
The fullback has managed just six appearances with Granada this season and the Gunners are ready to cut short the loan.
Jon Toral to be recalled, likely to join Rangers Daily Cannon (satire) (blog)-7 hours ago
So of all those teams in the same boat as us you've found wolves, Rotherham and granada (are the rules and recent changes the same in Spain). Empirical evidence there for the easily convinced. If you choose to believe that clubs loaning players won't favour clubs or managers who have demonstrated a track record of giving loan players game time then I'd view you as an idiot. You can disagree with say Yeovils use of loan players but clubs were happy to loan them players because they know they'll get the game time the parent club wants. The parent clubs couldn't really give a rats arse about yeovil they only care about what yeovil can do to develop their players. If you want to use the loan system you need to play the game, whether it's right to play the game is another question. But you bury your head in the sand pretending it doesn't matter because the systems changed I'm sure that will have a positive effect As far as I am aware the loan rules are pretty standardised across the globe now. That was just 3 I found with a quick google search. Somethings/some players don’t work out. What more can you say than that. I forget though that our manager is an idiot this week
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Post by peterparker on Jan 5, 2017 14:51:17 GMT
Colkett has shown skill, creativity and flair and scored goals. Saying he "struggled to hold down a first team place" is like saying Terry Waite struggled to complete a walking holiday in Beiruit. Colkett's issue was never talent but consistency at that age for this level. Which is completely fair enough! He struggled in games like Shrewsbury away etc. and so probably deserved a rest or needed replacing for a few games. Actually think Chelsea are to blame for this, DC managing the kid's development rather than running him into the ground when he's had a poor game or whatever. Ironic that Chelsea want players playing 100% of the time at loan clubs yet they are pretty awful in terms of getting these players into their own first team. He's made appearances for us in 60% of league games, for a player who is playing senior football for the first time I don't think that's awful. Swansea have an argument re: Roberts but not Chelsea in my opinion. When Colkett never plays for Chelsea, at least we can all point to DC and blame him
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Post by countygroundhotel on Jan 5, 2017 15:03:14 GMT
So of all those teams in the same boat as us you've found wolves, Rotherham and granada (are the rules and recent changes the same in Spain). Empirical evidence there for the easily convinced. If you choose to believe that clubs loaning players won't favour clubs or managers who have demonstrated a track record of giving loan players game time then I'd view you as an idiot. You can disagree with say Yeovils use of loan players but clubs were happy to loan them players because they know they'll get the game time the parent club wants. The parent clubs couldn't really give a rats arse about yeovil they only care about what yeovil can do to develop their players. If you want to use the loan system you need to play the game, whether it's right to play the game is another question. But you bury your head in the sand pretending it doesn't matter because the systems changed I'm sure that will have a positive effect As far as I am aware the loan rules are pretty standardised across the globe now. That was just 3 I found with a quick google search. Somethings/some players don’t work out. What more can you say than that. I forget though that our manager is an idiot this week Harsh view of DC but everyone is entitled to their opinion and your view that he is an idiot is as valued an opinion as anyone's else. Personally I think he is an exceptional young manager who in this case has made a pigs ear of the loan market. I'm sure DC isn't such an insecure shallow person to worry about people having opinions, a pity more on here aren't like that.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 5, 2017 15:05:20 GMT
"Only thing that worries me is that there is no other creative midfielder to replace Lines should he get injured. UTG!" I guess/hope that worries DC as well but rather than quantity I hope he goes for quality this window. A goalie, CB, or two, a CM and a CF will do me unless he can wheel & deal with the fringe players like Gosling.
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Post by ineedgas on Jan 5, 2017 15:13:28 GMT
Bar Roberts, and none of us really know why he's had so little game time, DC's given every player a fair chance but they've all struggled to hold down a first team place. What did posters expect DC did any better, play them just to keep their parent clubs happy even if it means losing games and, potentially, him losing his job? You could argue they weren't the right players to sign but until there are here then it's hard to judge. Colkett has shown skill, creativity and flair and scored goals. Saying he "struggled to hold down a first team place" is like saying Terry Waite struggled to complete a walking holiday in Beiruit. Ya and Terry Waite had God on his side but look how that turned out 😀
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Jan 5, 2017 15:18:01 GMT
"Only thing that worries me is that there is no other creative midfielder to replace Lines should he get injured. UTG!" I guess/hope that worries DC as well but rather than quantity I hope he goes for quality this window. A goalie, CB, or two, a CM and a CF will do me unless he can wheel & deal with the fringe players like Gosling. I'd say that order you've written them in is the order of priority too: 1.) GK-an absolute must 2.) CB-you could argue this is just as important as a gk given the announcement about Hartley today 3.) CM-people have been saying recently that we need an experienced holding midfielder (although opinions have changed on that with OC's recent performances). i would say another creative midfielder is an even bigger priority now given Colkett's departure. 4.) ST-a striker that is a target man but also scores goals would be brilliant right now but far from a priority. A Bogle type player would mean that we would have the perfect strike partnership of a target man and a little ball player, if both of these are 20+goals per season players as well then it would be a strikeforce to give defenders nightmares. I think a left back should also be considered as we have no cover at all there at the minute, and even Lee Brown's performances haven't been good of late. UTG!
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Post by gasstrictband on Jan 5, 2017 15:20:56 GMT
Didn't Terry Waite go out on loan for 4 years
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Post by bluegas on Jan 5, 2017 15:33:31 GMT
As far as I am aware the loan rules are pretty standardised across the globe now. That was just 3 I found with a quick google search. Somethings/some players don’t work out. What more can you say than that. I forget though that our manager is an idiot this week Harsh view of DC but everyone is entitled to their opinion and your view that he is an idiot is as valued an opinion as anyone's else. Personally I think he is an exceptional young manager who in this case has made a pigs ear of the loan market. I'm sure DC isn't such an insecure shallow person to worry about people having opinions, a pity more on here aren't like that. I think this called "damning with faint praise". But you're right - I doubt he does bother with the petulant outbursts the minute the going gets tough. That's when the tough get going!
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Post by albaron on Jan 5, 2017 15:35:55 GMT
Totally agree with Notts -- But surely some of these players should have been signed already. Why does it always take Rovers so long. When I say signed already I mean a goalkeeper ( and not on a trial basis ) and a centre back where we,ve known for some time we have problems.
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Post by countygroundhotel on Jan 5, 2017 15:58:39 GMT
Harsh view of DC but everyone is entitled to their opinion and your view that he is an idiot is as valued an opinion as anyone's else. Personally I think he is an exceptional young manager who in this case has made a pigs ear of the loan market. I'm sure DC isn't such an insecure shallow person to worry about people having opinions, a pity more on here aren't like that. I think this called "damning with faint praise". But you're right - I doubt he does bother with the petulant outbursts the minute the going gets tough. That's when the tough get going! I'll be f**ked if I'm giving peterparker any praise not even faint.....
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 5, 2017 16:17:20 GMT
I'd love to know what Wael thinks about this. Ignore what he says on social media. IMO he is probably not happy. So would you be happy if DC was Weal's puppet and just picked a side to keep him sweet? If he was going to do that he may as well have taken the Leeds job?
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 5, 2017 16:23:45 GMT
Bar Roberts, and none of us really know why he's had so little game time, DC's given every player a fair chance but they've all struggled to hold down a first team place. What did posters expect DC did any better, play them just to keep their parent clubs happy even if it means losing games and, potentially, him losing his job? You could argue they weren't the right players to sign but until there are here then it's hard to judge. Two of those loan players were regular, good players in our league last year I would've presumed before signing them that DC had had them watched, knew what they could bring to the squad and how he was going to use them. The evidence suggests not though. The Chelsea lads I wouldn't be surprised if they were signed sight unseen Could any manager anticipate Roos would suddenly start dropping crosses for no obvious reason? As far as Roberts as I said none of us really know what's gone on with him, apart from Henshall he's been the only loan player not to get a decent chance under DC.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2017 16:56:42 GMT
If a player is recalled its because the parent club either want to bring them back into the camp to challenge for the first team squad or want to work on them in training correcting issues that have been spotted during the players loan spell. The other reason being that the player wasn't getting the number of games the parent club wanted them to have to gain more experience. The option then to reappoint them to another club where that experience/game time is more likely to happen.
CC had some good moments at Rovers and its worth remembering those and thank him for those. He and Rovers will now move on and hopefully both will go on to better things.
CC was always competition for lines in a 442 and Lines was always going to get the nod. The other options were different formations ,formations the fans didn't seem to like. So im not so sure what any fuss is about.
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