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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 10:23:22 GMT
I wasn't at the match last night so I not really making comments from a position of strength. It appears odd to me that with the team being totally unbalanced after the sending off of Sinclair that DC would use JCS (a young player with hardly any game time - and a centre back) as a substitute for JC when he has Leadbitter sat on the bench. Why would Leadbitter be sat on the bench in the first place if he had no intention of using him? Secondly, unless again there was an injury problem why would he replace BB with RG at half time. If DC was still 'chasing' a positive result at that time BB was much more likely to come up with something positive than any other player on the pitch and then he replaces LB with CM - I find it all somewhat bizarre. Using substitutes imo has never been one of his strengths. Sometimes maybe he has to try and shut up shop in that type of situation and hit teams on the break which we are quite capable of doing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 10:26:18 GMT
DC is a great manager and I like the fact that his mantra is "go for a win" - a calculated decision as win points versus draw is worth the gamble. Sometimes I wish he knew when to take a point but to hone a winning team mentality perhaps you need to go all out?!
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Post by Henbury Gas on Mar 15, 2017 10:30:38 GMT
To quote a famous poster on here..... "Clueless"
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 10:30:45 GMT
JCS was brought on to play three at the back, with Lee Brown moving forward to play the left-hand side of the midfield four. Even down to 10 men, DC kept two upfront in a 3-4-2 formation. It didn't work last night, but it was ballsy stuff from Our Leader. Give some credit to Lee Clarke, as at half-time he made changes to play three up-front for them ! DC makes changes, their guy makes changes. Sometimes it works out well for DC, and sometimes it works out well for the other guy. That's football.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Mar 15, 2017 11:17:52 GMT
I wasn't at the match last night so I not really making comments from a position of strength. It appears odd to me that with the team being totally unbalanced after the sending off of Sinclair that DC would use JCS (a young player with hardly any game time - and a centre back) as a substitute for JC when he has Leadbitter sat on the bench. Why would Leadbitter be sat on the bench in the first place if he had no intention of using him? Secondly, unless again there was an injury problem why would he replace BB with RG at half time. If DC was still 'chasing' a positive result at that time BB was much more likely to come up with something positive than any other player on the pitch and then he replaces LB with CM - I find it all somewhat bizarre. Using substitutes imo has never been one of his strengths. Sometimes maybe he has to try and shut up shop in that type of situation and hit teams on the break which we are quite capable of doing. Maybe he did have intentions to use Leadbitter in a different situation. If the game was at 0-0 with half an hour left and it was 11v11, Leadbitter on for J. Clarke would've been an attacking change to try and win the game. I would also disagree that his subs aren't one of his strengths. I think the amount of late goals we score and points we get from losing positions would suggest that his subs are actually a very strong point for him.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 15, 2017 11:22:50 GMT
RG is a more aggressive striker than BB so probably makes up more for the loss of Sincs, what's odd is why Moore left Bury's second goal scorer in so much space behind him?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 11:40:53 GMT
To quote a famous poster on here..... "Clueless" Famous poster? Who he then?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 11:45:45 GMT
RG is a more aggressive striker than BB so probably makes up more for the loss of Sincs, what's odd is why Moore left Bury's second goal scorer in so much space behind him? Same thing happened at Walsall if I recall.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 11:52:25 GMT
I wasn't at the match last night so I not really making comments from a position of strength. It appears odd to me that with the team being totally unbalanced after the sending off of Sinclair that DC would use JCS (a young player with hardly any game time - and a centre back) as a substitute for JC when he has Leadbitter sat on the bench. Why would Leadbitter be sat on the bench in the first place if he had no intention of using him? Secondly, unless again there was an injury problem why would he replace BB with RG at half time. If DC was still 'chasing' a positive result at that time BB was much more likely to come up with something positive than any other player on the pitch and then he replaces LB with CM - I find it all somewhat bizarre. Using substitutes imo has never been one of his strengths. Sometimes maybe he has to try and shut up shop in that type of situation and hit teams on the break which we are quite capable of doing. Maybe he did have intentions to use Leadbitter in a different situation. If the game was at 0-0 with half an hour left and it was 11v11, Leadbitter on for J. Clarke would've been an attacking change to try and win the game. I would also disagree that his subs aren't one of his strengths. I think the amount of late goals we score and points we get from losing positions would suggest that his subs are actually a very strong point for him. It was an attacking change anyway - no logic imo and where did two of Bury's come from last night- someone who should gave been in the right back position - Clarke out thought Clarke last night!! I can't think of too many games this season where we have come back from a losing position and gained something through the use of substitutes apart from MK Dons. I'm sure you will tell me of a lot more.
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Post by socrates on Mar 15, 2017 12:11:07 GMT
DC has got way more substitutions right than wrong over the years. If he got every one right he'd be the only one in the world and the best manager in the world.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Mar 15, 2017 12:13:55 GMT
Maybe he did have intentions to use Leadbitter in a different situation. If the game was at 0-0 with half an hour left and it was 11v11, Leadbitter on for J. Clarke would've been an attacking change to try and win the game. I would also disagree that his subs aren't one of his strengths. I think the amount of late goals we score and points we get from losing positions would suggest that his subs are actually a very strong point for him. It was an attacking change anyway - no logic imo and where did two of Bury's come from last night- someone who should gave been in the right back position - Clarke out thought Clarke last night!! I can't think of too many games this season where we have come back from a losing position and gained something through the use of substitutes apart from MK Dons. I'm sure you will tell me of a lot more. In fairness, though: @optajoe 24 - @official_BRFC have won more points from losing positions than any other side in the top 4 tiers within England this season. Character.
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Post by spoony on Mar 15, 2017 12:31:17 GMT
Using substitutes imo has never been one of his strengths. Sometimes maybe he has to try and shut up shop in that type of situation and hit teams on the break which we are quite capable of doing. I would say the opposite, DC has, more often that not, used subs in a very good way and got a result out of a game where it seemed unlikely.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Mar 15, 2017 12:44:11 GMT
I wasn't at the match last night so I not really making comments from a position of strength. It appears odd to me that with the team being totally unbalanced after the sending off of Sinclair that DC would use JCS (a young player with hardly any game time - and a centre back) as a substitute for JC when he has Leadbitter sat on the bench. Why would Leadbitter be sat on the bench in the first place if he had no intention of using him? Secondly, unless again there was an injury problem why would he replace BB with RG at half time. If DC was still 'chasing' a positive result at that time BB was much more likely to come up with something positive than any other player on the pitch and then he replaces LB with CM - I find it all somewhat bizarre. Using substitutes imo has never been one of his strengths. Sometimes maybe he has to try and shut up shop in that type of situation and hit teams on the break which we are quite capable of doing. What a moronic comment.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 13:25:26 GMT
I wasn't at the match last night so I not really making comments from a position of strength. It appears odd to me that with the team being totally unbalanced after the sending off of Sinclair that DC would use JCS (a young player with hardly any game time - and a centre back) as a substitute for JC when he has Leadbitter sat on the bench. Why would Leadbitter be sat on the bench in the first place if he had no intention of using him? Secondly, unless again there was an injury problem why would he replace BB with RG at half time. If DC was still 'chasing' a positive result at that time BB was much more likely to come up with something positive than any other player on the pitch and then he replaces LB with CM - I find it all somewhat bizarre. Using substitutes imo has never been one of his strengths. Sometimes maybe he has to try and shut up shop in that type of situation and hit teams on the break which we are quite capable of doing. What a moronic comment. What a crass statement - in the overall context of the OP is that the best you can come up with?
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Post by rambo on Mar 15, 2017 14:04:53 GMT
What a crass statement - in the overall context of the OP is that the best you can come up with? In fairness, the comment was moronic! More points gained from losing positions than anyone in the top 4 divisions. Excellent finishes to the past two season due to squad rotation and squad management (including substitutions!)
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Post by STRONG,SECURE, STABLE on Mar 15, 2017 15:30:40 GMT
As is often said about substitutions, we dont know the full circumstances. DL could have had a little niggle in training, BB might be tired as he and linesy, locks are the only players who have been consistently in the team over the last 10 games. on top of that DC might have felt RG posed more of a threat against a very young, inexperienced and light weight Bury defence
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 15:33:39 GMT
What a crass statement - in the overall context of the OP is that the best you can come up with? In fairness, the comment was moronic! More points gained from losing positions than anyone in the top 4 divisions. Excellent finishes to the past two season due to squad rotation and squad management (including substitutions!) Fair comment about the last two seasons - but let's focus on this season - this Division is a completely different 'ball game'. We are only the 'Come Back Kings' because we shipped goals at home at the start of the season when the visitors invariably seemed to be scoring first - as DC once said he would rather not have been in that position. But then he was forced into substitutions and very often we had 'better' players sat on the bench than were playing. Now we seem to be stretched for a strong bench for one reason or another. Our away record this season is not particularly good 18/57. Can anyone explain why a man of the match performance (some people) by Rory Gaffney on Saturday was rewarded with a seat on the bench last night - and a bit part player like Byron Moore gets a start and James Clarke gets the nod over Leadbitter. Can't be squad rotation surely!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 19:15:28 GMT
Generally DC makes the right call on subs...but not always...but even he says you can never get everything right in football.
Last season particularly ,and the season before to a lesser extent. The bench was very strong and it didn't feel the team was being weakened by bringing on a sub. Over the years you get used to the sub players being of a slightly lower quality but being needed for new energy or a different formation in a game. Last season bringing subs on could actually better the team or in the least not weaken the quality. This season at league one level I feel the bench is weaker on the whole. I suspect this will be rectified over the summer. After all promotion is the definite aim next season ,the team need to get through the first season at championship level playing at the Mem Where the players and fans are comfortable and a good home record exists.
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 16, 2017 19:09:25 GMT
Generally DC makes the right call on subs... but not always...but even he says you can never get everything right in football.
Last season particularly ,and the season before to a lesser extent. The bench was very strong and it didn't feel the team was being weakened by bringing on a sub. Over the years you get used to the sub players being of a slightly lower quality but being needed for new energy or a different formation in a game. Last season bringing subs on could actually better the team or in the least not weaken the quality. This season at league one level I feel the bench is weaker on the whole. I suspect this will be rectified over the summer. After all promotion is the definite aim next season ,the team need to get through the first season at championship level playing at the Mem Where the players and fans are comfortable and a good home record exists. Good post mmm. Of course no manager can get every sub correct but as you say DC gets more right than wrong. And if he did get it all right he'd probably be in the PL not with us. DC has built a squad that he seems happy with and will surprise us when he doesn't play certain players which is DCs way of saying I trust these players and it will be ok. What I do like about him is his willingness to make changes early on if it's not working in a match. Whilst the stats don't tell the whole picture they are very impressive in showing our ability to recover from losing positions and DCs ability to change things is a big part of this. Well done DC. UTG!
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