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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Mar 21, 2017 22:39:08 GMT
Disagree. We are stronger with Luke up fron compared to Easter. Also, he is potenially our player next season whereas Easter won't be. So makes far more sense developing the 22 year old over the 35 year old. And actually, now I think of it why not play one who is actually our player, and one for the future instead of shipping him out on loan? James isn't our player, but If we want him come the end of the season, he's nailed on to sign, and I believe there is an option to make the deal permanent in the loan contract anyway. Therefore he is, clearly at the age of 22, also one for the future and DC rates him ahead of Lucas. Based on what we've seen of them both I'd say he's right. Massively different types of player in any case. James hasn't scored for a long time. Yes. That's true. It is a worry, but I think the faith shown in him is not misplaced. He has earned the right to his prolonged trial with good performances. There will come a time when DC has to make a judgement, but let's be honest, if he does sign him it's not going to be for a big fee or a large wage. He fits in well with our set up and DC is nailed on to sign at least one, probably two more strikers over the summer. DC continues to slowly improve players with very impressive results. There is a quality to James' play that suggests that if the penny drops in terms of his confidence and positioning, he could really come good.
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Post by gaelgas on Mar 21, 2017 22:45:13 GMT
I actually don't think LJ is that bad but he's not a Rovers player and frankly the idea that Easter is of no use to us next season (wherever we are) and it being the end of the world if his contract extension is triggered is just as much sh*te. Whatever we think of easter hes already been told in public by the manager that he has no future at the club. Whilst that is true, I think a lot of us thought that meant that we would never see Easter in a Rovers shirt again, and yet here we are. Circumstances change and while I think it's unlikely he'll be here next season, I wouldn't rule it out, DC is a big enough man to change his mind if he thinks it's for the best for the team.
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Post by LJG on Mar 21, 2017 22:47:15 GMT
I actually don't think LJ is that bad but he's not a Rovers player and frankly the idea that Easter is of no use to us next season (wherever we are) and it being the end of the world if his contract extension is triggered is just as much sh*te. Whatever we think of easter hes already been told in public by the manager that he has no future at the club. He actually said that he didn't feature in his plans, not that he had no future at the club and as of DC's interview Saturday he now says "never say never".
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2017 23:11:40 GMT
Whatever we think of easter hes already been told in public by the manager that he has no future at the club. He actually said that he didn't feature in his plans, not that he had no future at the club and as of DC's interview Saturday he now says "never say never". Well if the price was right in terms of salary i would like to see him given a one year deal but i doubt it will happen.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 22, 2017 6:13:39 GMT
Whatever we think of easter hes already been told in public by the manager that he has no future at the club. He actually said that he didn't feature in his plans, not that he had no future at the club and as of DC's interview Saturday he now says "never say never". Oh come on, if we are going to move forward then if Easter does stay, he will play a very, very minor role at the club.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 22, 2017 6:15:57 GMT
But what is he point of playing 35 year old Easter? We have a 22 year old strker on loan who is woring his bollocks off and improving all the time. He might not have got a goal but he is still finding his feet and is only going to improve. What is the fascination with Easter, the bloke has had what, one season where he has been fairly prolific? Bar experience and strength he is nothing special and not the future of our club. Some fans are so short sighted. I thought we watched Rovers to see them win/challenge for the Play Offs not just to try and improve another club's player? Bar experience, strength and the ability to score I agree Easter's useless!! Although I've no fascination with Easter I just want a Rovers striker who can actually score, I just don't think James as that in him. An assist and a goal by Easter against apparently an strong Swindon side will give DC something to ponder this week, if he his serious about mounting a Play Off push. "A strong Swindon side". Their first team is f**king sh** so can only imagine what a Swindon development team is like. Jesus, you talk some sh**. and if we want to challenge for the playoffs then we have a far beter chance with Luke James up front than Jermaine Easter. Easter can come on in the odd game to see it out but he is the lesser option of the two.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 22, 2017 6:41:50 GMT
And actually, now I think of it why not play one who is actually our player, and one for the future instead of shipping him out on loan? James isn't our player, but If we want him come the end of the season, he's nailed on to sign, and I believe there is an option to make the deal permanent in the loan contract anyway. Therefore he is, clearly at the age of 22, also one for the future and DC rates him ahead of Lucas. Based on what we've seen of them both I'd say he's right. Massively different types of player in any case. James hasn't scored for a long time. Yes. That's true. It is a worry, but I think the faith shown in him is not misplaced. He has earned the right to his prolonged trial with good performances. There will come a time when DC has to make a judgement, but let's be honest, if he does sign him it's not going to be for a big fee or a large wage. He fits in well with our set up and DC is nailed on to sign at least one, probably two more strikers over the summer. DC continues to slowly improve players with very impressive results. There is a quality to James' play that suggests that if the penny drops in terms of his confidence and positioning, he could really come good. Exactly, there is a very good chance we can sign Luke James with little cost, let's not forget Peterborough paid over half a million I believe for Luke James? Maybe he just wasn't ready for that step up so quick? Nobody is saying he has to be our number 1 striker next season but I'd have him in the squad definitely. It wouldn't surprise me to see drastic improvement (more goals) if he is with us next season though. He just needs to get his confidence going with a goal or two and develop a bit more of a selfish streak (suspect it will come with goals).
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Post by LJG on Mar 22, 2017 10:25:34 GMT
He actually said that he didn't feature in his plans, not that he had no future at the club and as of DC's interview Saturday he now says "never say never". Oh come on, if we are going to move forward then if Easter does stay, he will play a very, very minor role at the club. What has "moving forward" got to do with immediately booting out any player on their 35th birthday? If a player has skill and a good attitude why can they not form part of the club's future as they "move forward"? I mean thank god United shipped out Giggs and Scholes at 35. And can you imagine what a laughing stock we would be if we had a former striker as our assistant manager or a former defender as a senior coach?
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 22, 2017 10:55:07 GMT
Oh come on, if we are going to move forward then if Easter does stay, he will play a very, very minor role at the club. What has "moving forward" got to do with immediately booting out any player on their 35th birthday? If a player has skill and a good attitude why can they not form part of the club's future as they "move forward"? I mean thank god United shipped out Giggs and Scholes at 35. And can you imagine what a laughing stock we would be if we had a former striker as our assistant manager or a former defender as a senior coach? You didn't just compare Jermaine Easter to Giggs and Scholes? I am not talking about off the pitch, I am talking about on it and I don't feel Easter offers us enough on it, going forward.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 22, 2017 11:24:03 GMT
I'd be really watered off if I was Harrison.
A young player who needs encouraging and development.
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Post by baggins on Mar 22, 2017 11:25:27 GMT
I'd be really watered off if I was Harrison. A young player who needs encouraging and development. Had 5 seasons of that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 11:29:18 GMT
I'd be really watered off if I was Harrison. A young player who needs encouraging and development. Hes injured though surely?,got a heavy knock at bolton and hasnt featured since. Before that was consistently picked ahead of james.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 22, 2017 11:31:18 GMT
I'd be really watered off if I was Harrison. A young player who needs encouraging and development. Had 5 seasons of that. I'm just trolling mate. But..... Many want to to persevere with a "young" player who needs developing, who isnt ours and who hasn't scored in years, but want to write Harrison off and get him out the the club. I don't know what the future holds for either player. I do however support every player that pulls on the shirt on a Saturday. Any misgivings, or worries I may express here are just musings. Clearly I have no idea what I'm talking about.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 22, 2017 11:32:31 GMT
I'd be really watered off if I was Harrison. A young player who needs encouraging and development. Hes injured though surely?,got a heavy knock at bolton and hasnt featured since. Before that was consistently picked ahead of james. Didn't realize he was injured. Thanks.
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Post by baggins on Mar 22, 2017 11:53:29 GMT
I'm just trolling mate. But..... Many want to to persevere with a "young" player who needs developing, who isnt ours and who hasn't scored in years, but want to write Harrison off and get him out the the club. I don't know what the future holds for either player. I do however support every player that pulls on the shirt on a Saturday. Any misgivings, or worries I may express here are just musings. Clearly I have no idea what I'm talking about. Clearly.
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Post by LJG on Mar 22, 2017 12:07:30 GMT
What has "moving forward" got to do with immediately booting out any player on their 35th birthday? If a player has skill and a good attitude why can they not form part of the club's future as they "move forward"? I mean thank god United shipped out Giggs and Scholes at 35. And can you imagine what a laughing stock we would be if we had a former striker as our assistant manager or a former defender as a senior coach? You didn't just compare Jermaine Easter to Giggs and Scholes? I am not talking about off the pitch, I am talking about on it and I don't feel Easter offers us enough on it, going forward. "LOL LOL"? What an insightful comment. Truly you are quite the orator. The comparison is about the needs of the club and the player resources currently available to them. You continually go on about Easter being 35 and don't actually address the point that plenty on this thread have raised now, that he has a good footballing brain, has creativity in spades and has been loyal and hard-working. The obsession with age is irrelevant to the issue at hand. Does he offer something we don't currently have in the line up? Yes. If his contract extension is triggered because we've played him, will he still be able to offer us something in either league 1 or the Champ in much the same way he has this season? Yes.
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Post by gaelgas on Mar 22, 2017 12:39:26 GMT
I'm just trolling mate. But..... Many want to to persevere with a "young" player who needs developing, who isnt ours and who hasn't scored in years, but want to write Harrison off and get him out the the club. I don't know what the future holds for either player. I do however support every player that pulls on the shirt on a Saturday. Any misgivings, or worries I may express here are just musings. Clearly I have no idea what I'm talking about. Not sure I agree with you on this one Hugo. I think many people think the whole point is that we've persevered with Ellis for 5 years now and he doesn't really seem to have progressed. We have only really seen Luke James for a handful of games, and while he hasn't torn up any trees, his attitude and work rate look a lot better than Harrison's. Maybe it's best for both parties for Harrison to move on and someone else (possibly LJ) to be given that chance.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 22, 2017 12:43:27 GMT
I'm just trolling mate. But..... Many want to to persevere with a "young" player who needs developing, who isnt ours and who hasn't scored in years, but want to write Harrison off and get him out the the club.I don't know what the future holds for either player. I do however support every player that pulls on the shirt on a Saturday.Any misgivings, or worries I may express here are just musings. Clearly I have no idea what I'm talking about. I support every player that pulls on the shirt on a Saturday (assuming they put in the effort). The reason I personally prefer James over Ellis is his consistency. He's probably been more consistent during his short time here than Ellis ever has been? I can imagine many others think the same.
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Post by madgas on Mar 22, 2017 13:01:34 GMT
Consistency can be negative.
But I take your point. Truthfully, I can see him signing/ resigning gaffney, Elis and James. Then looking for 2 extras.
In terms of my thoughts- I think playing with two workers like gaffney and James is contributing to the midfield scoring. Both James and Gaffers move across the defence and are taking up the attention of the entire back line. Thus, were creating a gap between midfield and defence. It's a little more direct than when Taylor was linking but it's no less attractive when our energetic midfield find the pockets for a shot.
James isn't going to score as many as Taylor but I can see both him and gaffney scoring 15 each if here next season.
I'm fine with spreading the goals around.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 22, 2017 13:20:51 GMT
I'm just trolling mate. But..... Many want to to persevere with a "young" player who needs developing, who isnt ours and who hasn't scored in years, but want to write Harrison off and get him out the the club.I don't know what the future holds for either player. I do however support every player that pulls on the shirt on a Saturday.Any misgivings, or worries I may express here are just musings. Clearly I have no idea what I'm talking about. I support every player that pulls on the shirt on a Saturday (assuming they put in the effort). The reason I personally prefer James over Ellis is his consistency. He's probably been more consistent during his short time here than Ellis ever has been? I can imagine many others think the same. The only thing James has been consistent at is failing to score since he left Hartlepool, there's clearly an issue with him if he's now failed at 4 separate clubs (P'boro, Bradford, Hartlepool, Rovers) to score more than the odd goal. As far as me talking cr@p I was only repeating what was said on the OS and used the old "apparently" but if DC picks JE over LJ in future it'll be interesting to read your reaction!!
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