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Post by Okebournegas on Mar 19, 2017 10:19:51 GMT
How much of this was not written about Taylor in his first 10 starts? I remember Taylor being written off after a few games , this is why luckily , fans don't manage , managers do ! James was excellent yesterday and gaffney would agree ! But hey ho he missed a penalty and hasn't scored so let's just get rid !!!!
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Post by Strange Gas on Mar 19, 2017 10:19:59 GMT
Don't we need our strikers to pop up with at least the odd goal? James has been here all season now and is yet to score, I can't simply be unlucky/lacking confidence for that left of time? Bar the pen yesterday he never got in one goal scoring position against a very poor side. I guess if DC can get him on the cheap, he's worth a gamble as a squad player but I certainly wouldn't contemplate offering him a decent contract/paying P'boro a transfer fee. I think "on the cheap" is key. Posh overpaid for him, if he doesn't start scoring this season they won't want to keep him and he won't be in demand, and as a squad player (not our expensive top striker) I can see he has a role in DCs set up. We don't see what he does in training but looks to be a hard worker committed to the cause, DC likes that and for the right price will see him as good raw material he can work on I think
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 10:33:26 GMT
Don't we need our strikers to pop up with at least the odd goal? James has been here all season now and is yet to score, I can't simply be unlucky/lacking confidence for that left of time? Bar the pen yesterday he never got in one goal scoring position against a very poor side. I guess if DC can get him on the cheap, he's worth a gamble as a squad player but I certainly wouldn't contemplate offering him a decent contract/paying P'boro a transfer fee. I think "on the cheap" is key. Posh overpaid for him, if he doesn't start scoring this season they won't want to keep him and he won't be in demand, and as a squad player (not our expensive top striker) I can see he has a role in DCs set up. We don't see what he does in training but looks to be a hard worker committed to the cause, DC likes that and for the right price will see him as good raw material he can work on I think Maybe that's been DCs plan all along 😁 Seriously though I think we can all see that there is a player in there with Luke James - it's just the goals missing at the moment. I don't think we should pay a fee (we won't as I think he's out of contract in the summer?) and I don't see him as a high earner - but DC doesn't generally buy into high wage contracts, he's more on balanced wages and performance incentives or at least that's my perception. With a decent pre season working with Stewie and having had a season with us already I think next season he could be more prolific. Remember he has only just started to have a run of games. I will agree to disagree with Topper as I believe he has got into more positions to score than he's been given credit for generally but he's not the poacher player - he's been more of an assist type player and some of that has been down to lack of confidence and unselfishness as sometimes he's laid on for others rather than taken the shot....
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Mar 19, 2017 11:09:59 GMT
An earnest player but so far not up to required standard for this league. As others have said we have in the past had such misgivings about Leadbitter, Montano and Ollie Clarke so it's down to DC and team to see if they feel they can help him build ability to take advantage of his attitude.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Mar 19, 2017 12:17:56 GMT
He'll score against Cov.
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Post by baggins on Mar 19, 2017 12:26:57 GMT
The bloke needs a goal.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 19, 2017 12:50:07 GMT
I actually don't think the crowd helped yesterday with shouting "We want James" before the penalty taker was chosen. Just added more pressure.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 19, 2017 13:01:24 GMT
The penalty miss was unlucky. It was a weird pen but was on target at least have seen far worse gone in!
Let's also not forget who won the penalty. And a good bit of play from James put Gaffney through to effectively kill the game off at 2-0.
Well done Luke.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 13:09:36 GMT
Remember that Jason Roberts didn't click until his second season, I got this feeling that Luke James will come good , he's an intelligent player who just needs the confidence that getting on the scoresheet a couple of times will help.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Mar 19, 2017 13:09:44 GMT
Interesting that many have written him off personally I think he brings enough to the team/squad that he's worth persevering with especially if he's available on a free. Listening to DC he made the point that people expect instant results both from players & managers thankfully we have a manager that takes a longer term view Ollie Clarke is a perfect example. I'm not saying James will score 20+ goals next year but I certainly wouldn't be at all disappointed if he signs permanently in the summer. I'm sure we'll see at least 5 strikers in the squad next year but don't expect DC to get rid of all the current crop. Potentially room for James Gaffney Harrison & 2 new signings which sounds perfectly reasonable to me
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 19, 2017 13:13:55 GMT
I think "on the cheap" is key. Posh overpaid for him, if he doesn't start scoring this season they won't want to keep him and he won't be in demand, and as a squad player (not our expensive top striker) I can see he has a role in DCs set up. We don't see what he does in training but looks to be a hard worker committed to the cause, DC likes that and for the right price will see him as good raw material he can work on I think Maybe that's been DCs plan all along 😁 Seriously though I think we can all see that there is a player in there with Luke James - it's just the goals missing at the moment. I don't think we should pay a fee (we won't as I think he's out of contract in the summer?) and I don't see him as a high earner - but DC doesn't generally buy into high wage contracts, he's more on balanced wages and performance incentives or at least that's my perception. With a decent pre season working with Stewie and having had a season with us already I think next season he could be more prolific. Remember he has only just started to have a run of games. I will agree to disagree with Topper as I believe he has got into more positions to score than he's been given credit for generally but he's not the poacher player - he's been more of an assist type player and some of that has been down to lack of confidence and unselfishness as sometimes he's laid on for others rather than taken the shot.... There's plenty of extended highlights on the GasPlayer etc to prove me wrong but I can't recall many games since MT left where he's missed easy chances. Given he's an out and out striker, and not played in the hole, then he should really be making chances for himself, as well as setting other players up.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 19, 2017 13:31:27 GMT
Odd POV I notice. 1) no one has given Luke James credit for laying on a very good assist. 2) 'he's supposed to do what Matty Taylor did' yes- ideally but every team in this division could say that about a striker. 3) the idea that we're gonna release all the strikers. Nope. We will keep 2/3 should they agree to sign. Even if three remain Darrell will look to add 2. DC likes 5. There's no point leaving himself with so much work to do during the summer by releasing everyone. We don't need to release James. He's not ours anyway.
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Post by baggins on Mar 19, 2017 13:37:31 GMT
Odd POV I notice. 1) no one has given Luke James credit for laying on a very good assist. 2) 'he's supposed to do what Matty Taylor did' yes- ideally but every team in this division could say that about a striker. 3) the idea that we're gonna release all the strikers. Nope. We will keep 2/3 should they agree to sign. Even if three remain Darrell will look to add 2. DC likes 5. There's no point leaving himself with so much work to do during the summer by releasing everyone. We don't need to release James. He's not ours anyway. Can we welease Woger?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 19, 2017 13:38:04 GMT
How much of this was not written about Taylor in his first 10 starts? Apples and oranges. Taylor, like James, was playing well, linking well but crucially missing chance after chance. I was fully behind him coming good eventually. James isnt missing chances. He's not getting any. And nothing I've seen so far has suggested that's going to change.
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Post by Colyton Gas on Mar 19, 2017 13:41:18 GMT
How much of this was not written about Taylor in his first 10 starts? Apples and oranges. Taylor, like James, was playing well, linking well but crucially missing chance after chance. I was fully behind him coming good eventually. James isnt missing chances. He's not getting any. And nothing I've seen so far has suggested that's going to change. Agree with Hugo.Far too lightweight.Peterborough who are lower than us don't want him.We should aim higher.
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Post by baggins on Mar 19, 2017 13:49:47 GMT
How much of this was not written about Taylor in his first 10 starts? Apples and oranges. Taylor, like James, was playing well, linking well but crucially missing chance after chance. I was fully behind him coming good eventually. James isnt missing chances. He's not getting any. And nothing I've seen so far has suggested that's going to change. Lack of chances. That his fault? If he can continue to play in Gaffney or whoever to score he can finish on 0 as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by peterhooper57 on Mar 19, 2017 14:05:32 GMT
Gaffney and James have another seven games to prove to DC they are worth keeping, its down to them;we currently have the luxury of the snakes goals in the bank for this season. Next season, DC will have at least one and probably two new strikers (with Easter gone) to lead the line. Is James good enough only time will tell. Although, had the snake stayed, to be honest, James at best would be keeping the bench warm, that's professional football.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 14:13:48 GMT
The question is can we afford the fee,? bearing in mind that Peterborough paid 500.000 for him not that long ago unless ,of course,they are prepared to write it off and let him go cheaply or free,and I cant see that happening
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 19, 2017 14:14:37 GMT
Apples and oranges. Taylor, like James, was playing well, linking well but crucially missing chance after chance. I was fully behind him coming good eventually. James isnt missing chances. He's not getting any. And nothing I've seen so far has suggested that's going to change. Lack of chances. That his fault? If he can continue to play in Gaffney or whoever to score he can finish on 0 as far as I'm concerned. I'm not aportioning blame. Who's fault would you say it was?
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Post by grayraydon on Mar 19, 2017 14:16:00 GMT
Apples and oranges. Taylor, like James, was playing well, linking well but crucially missing chance after chance. I was fully behind him coming good eventually. James isnt missing chances. He's not getting any. And nothing I've seen so far has suggested that's going to change. Agree with Hugo.Far too lightweight. Peterborough who are lower than us don't want him.We should aim higher.These sort of statements always make me laugh, so players who aren't wanted by a club can never go on to achieve anything at a higher rated club? Have we not ever signed anyone who wasn't wanted at lower ranked teams than us and they have done alright for us? Gaffney wasn't wanted at Cambridge for one, Judas was on the bench for FGR!! Bodin couldn't even get a club so by your reasoning shouldn't have been signed. It makes no difference who someone is playing for and what level that is at, if the manager sees something in them and thinks they can improve them then sign them up. Also, when we signed him on loan from Peterborough they were consistently higher in the league than us for years so what happens then, is he then deemed good enough?
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