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Post by yategas78 on Apr 16, 2017 6:53:23 GMT
We were flirting with relegation for a few seasons and eventually the inevitable happened just like it will at Sunderland and a certain "Champioship" side I can think of maybe not this term but it will happen!
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Post by William Wilson on Apr 16, 2017 7:07:20 GMT
ask yourself this question folks, if dread the thought we ever run into trouble at the foot of league 2 again.... would you say i believe relegation to the conference is what this club needs because it sorted us right out last time?  ? Well, I think it did sort us out, and if we find ourselves at the foot of L2 again we will know that in fact it didn't! Good point. Well made. |
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 16, 2017 9:57:32 GMT
Isn't this basically the same topic being discussed on the "DC interview" thread? If DC is the great manager we think he is why would we have got relegated under his management? DC would have rebuilt the squad if we had avoided our relegation and we could well now be a Championship side. NH may have even found other investors willing to back his UWE project, it's all ifs & buts. John Ward relegated us. A bit unfair singup imo. Yes the planning and recruitment in Summer 2013 was poor and we were crying out for a forward but had Ward stayed in charge I think we would just about fallen over the line to survive. But we will never know and we just about got out of jail the following year. |
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Post by titchthephot on Apr 16, 2017 10:44:51 GMT
"Really? And there was me thinking that he had already left the managers job."
When you are in a boat that is rapidly filling up with water - almost to the point of sinking- because you were the one that pulled the plug out, it can hardly be the fault of the poor guy left in it when it does eventually sink!! To repeat....Ward got us relegated. Clarke restored the club.
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Post by chilly1883 on Apr 16, 2017 12:19:54 GMT
I think we should all be extremely happy with where we are now, the moment you start thinking your better than you are, the sh** "will " hit the fan. As we all know too well. We're progressing nicely👍UTG
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 14:10:28 GMT
Isn't this basically the same topic being discussed on the "DC interview" thread? If DC is the great manager we think he is why would we have got relegated under his management? DC would have rebuilt the squad if we had avoided our relegation and we could well now be a Championship side. NH may have even found other investors willing to back his UWE project, it's all ifs & buts. John Ward relegated us. But did he?From my recollection when jw left we had 43 points from 38 games.the first game afterwards we won courtesy of a maid Mohammed header meaning we needed just 5 points from 7 games.in theory not beyond the realms of possibility.just stating the facts not making any accusations of culpability |
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Post by RD on Apr 16, 2017 15:50:10 GMT
The funny thing is, that what happened to this football club, is actually an incredibly sobering outlook on life in general.
No matter how low you feel, no matter what life throws at you, just remember - if you've truly hit rock bottom, you cannot go any lower - the only way is up.
It's amazing what a couple of years can do and just how good things can work out.
UTG
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Post by singupgas on Apr 16, 2017 16:11:34 GMT
Really? And there was me thinking that he had already left the managers job. He left with less than 10 games to go. Removed himself from the firing line, which obviously has worked. Giving DC the managers job was a cheap option at the time by the board then in charge, JW agreed to move to DoF position meaning we did t have to pay up. Giving DC the job was a win win for JW, if he could have saved us great the club had nothing to lose, JW relationship with fans was also saved. DC worked miracles and proved what he can do when given the control to pick and bring in his own players. And hoping that going by Friday's interview he can begin the process again in the summer and bring in his players to carry the club further. |
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Post by singupgas on Apr 16, 2017 16:15:04 GMT
But did he?From my recollection when jw left we had 43 points from 38 games.the first game afterwards we won courtesy of a maid Mohammed header meaning we needed just 5 points from 7 games.in theory not beyond the realms of possibility.just stating the facts not making any accusations of culpability Everything about DC being put in charge at the time spelt that the board had resigned to the fact we would be relegated eventually. What happened after wasn't a stroke of genius, but DC showing his ability as a manager when he picks the team. We were awful for 38 games when jw was manager that season and just as bad when DC was given a couple months to save a failing team with no confidence or desire to stay up. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 16:49:35 GMT
Under ward we averaged 1.23points per game which if it continued would have given us 53 points under DC with the same players we averaged .875 per game which extended over a season would equate to 40.25 points.it is pure supposition to say we would have been relegated if ward had stayed and considering there were 5 teams below is when he left is pure supposition especially as we only dropped into a relegation position just before half time in the last game when we needed a single point.it is very easy to demonise John ward but don't forget your hero was his assistant all that season and had a big input into what went on because he had to spend more time than he wanted away from the club due to personal problems
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Post by knowall on Apr 16, 2017 17:03:10 GMT
Under ward we averaged 1.23points per game which if it continued would have given us 53 points under DC with the same players we averaged .875 per game which extended over a season would equate to 40.25 points.it is pure supposition to say we would have been relegated if ward had stayed and considering there were 5 teams below is when he left is pure supposition especially as we only dropped into a relegation position just before half time in the last game when we needed a single point.it is very easy to demonise John ward but don't forget your hero was his assistant all that season and had a big input into what went on because he had to spend more time than he wanted away from the club due to personal problems Your love affair with JW is admirable but he knew where we were headed and chickened out. DC has proven since then how he would have managed if allowed to do so and long may he be in charge here |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 18:03:23 GMT
I'll say this at least; we wont be saying this season is for the best if we struggle next season.
This season was great but still a missed opportunity imo, next season could well be harder given the teams potentially coming into it.
I guess we'll finally see if we suffer from 2nd season syndrome.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 18:36:57 GMT
Under ward we averaged 1.23points per game which if it continued would have given us 53 points under DC with the same players we averaged .875 per game which extended over a season would equate to 40.25 points.it is pure supposition to say we would have been relegated if ward had stayed and considering there were 5 teams below is when he left is pure supposition especially as we only dropped into a relegation position just before half time in the last game when we needed a single point.it is very easy to demonise John ward but don't forget your hero was his assistant all that season and had a big input into what went on because he had to spend more time than he wanted away from the club due to personal problems Your love affair with JW is admirable but he knew where we were headed and chickened out. DC has proven since then how he would have managed if allowed to do so and long may he be in charge here Contrary to popular fiction peddled by the likes of you he did not chicken out he was forced out by the chairman and the assistant manager who kept asking to be put in charge to prove himself unfortunately he didn't succeed that season.unlike your forecast we were not doomed that season until the last game losing to a side who were so well prepared they forgot to booked somewhere to have a meal and even forgot their kit.unfotuneately for you deal in facts not fiction |
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Post by jaydan on Apr 16, 2017 18:37:41 GMT
DC has done a great job of making the sum worth more than the parts, in his own words "over achieving". We all know where the team needs to be strengthened, but we need to do this in a way where we retain the team/squad spirit.
Building for the future will perhaps be a longer process than we all want. The scale of costs in the Championship, largely players wages, is an order of magnitude greater than League 1 or 2 and revenue is still largely driven by gate receipts and other non-broadcasting revenue. Many clubs in the Championship run at a big loss as the Championship revenues to wages ratio is a lot higher than in the Premiership or Leagues 1 or 2.
I think the likely path for Rovers is that we will grow steadily as player recruitment and development is matched by building the infrastructure of training ground, support staff, new stadium. If I were the owners this is the plan I would be selling to DC.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Apr 16, 2017 18:57:31 GMT
Under ward we averaged 1.23points per game which if it continued would have given us 53 points under DC with the same players we averaged .875 per game which extended over a season would equate to 40.25 points.it is pure supposition to say we would have been relegated if ward had stayed and considering there were 5 teams below is when he left is pure supposition especially as we only dropped into a relegation position just before half time in the last game when we needed a single point.it is very easy to demonise John ward but don't forget your hero was his assistant all that season and had a big input into what went on because he had to spend more time than he wanted away from the club due to personal problems I share your empathy for Ward. His was a very tough job given the circumstances at the club and in his personal life. One playing devil's advocate could argue that he took the club forward, having taken over with us in 23rd and stepped aside with us three places higher. He did good things in his first spell at the club and in his first season back he saved us after the mess of the McGhee regime. He is also a very good and principled man. A lot of forces conspired against us to see us get relegated. Let's not forget that we had countless chances to get the goal we needed against Mansfield but it just would not happen. From then to now though, it would take a very brave man to deny the excellent job that Clarke has done to turn around the rotten culture at the club and restore us back to our natural level. |
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Post by knowall on Apr 16, 2017 18:59:07 GMT
Your love affair with JW is admirable but he knew where we were headed and chickened out. DC has proven since then how he would have managed if allowed to do so and long may he be in charge here Contrary to popular fiction peddled by the likes of you he did not chicken out he was forced out by the chairman and the assistant manager who kept asking to be put in charge to prove himself unfortunately he didn't succeed that season.unlike your forecast we were not doomed that season until the last game losing to a side who were so well prepared they forgot to booked somewhere to have a meal and even forgot their kit.unfotuneately for you deal in facts not fiction Despite your protestations - he was pleased to go - the pressure was intense - and he could have stood his ground - but didn't |
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Apr 16, 2017 19:02:23 GMT
I think Darrell has done fantastically well, better than anyone expected but let's be clear, whilst John Ward left us in a difficult position Darrell was his assistant so can't be blameless and when he took over he had enough time to have an impact and keep us in the league. His immaturity as a manager and his ego (I am the boss I am going to change it) were as much to do with us being relegated as anything BUT that's history and as it turns out it probably did us good in the long term. However we should be careful with any expectation for bigger signings so called higher level players as I honestly believe Darrell is at his best dealing with honest hard working non league lads that are greatful to be playing league football, this is a group that Darrell can get the best out of. I have seen enough and heard enough to convince me that I really don't think he will be able to handle big players who will command big wages it goes against everything he stands for so we should keep going as we are adding the odd non league/low league gem to add to what we have. It is clear Wael is prudent and careful, we are still losing £10k per week and as such whilst we will see a modest wage bill increase next season we won't break the bank and rightly so. A good post - but at some time in the not too distant future he will need to start biting the bullet and start attracting 'mature/established league players otherwise we will always remain as he describes a Paul Trollope type team. He also stated yesterday that his players have "over achieved" which suggests that they are effectively now at the limit of their capability. Of the 11 players currently contracted to the club next season I see 6/7 that will form the nucleus next year but equally I feel we need an injection of quality to compliment these players and push on which again is what he has stated is his aim. He will need financial backing - maybe not in transfer fees but certainly in attracting the players that will demand probably £2/3k +'per week in salaries. Stating the obvious we have not had the strength in depth of some other clubs in the league and this is reflected in where we are likely to finish - this has worked against him in his modus operandi of rotating the team - the quality wasn't there to continually change 3/4 players per week. He knows he will need to address this during the close season if he is allowed to. Other clubs will no longer see him as a 'Rookie' Manager and clearly now he has found his feet as a League manager his confidence and ambitions will rise accordingly and IMO if the BoD do not support him and more importantly if the UWE project stalls even further we will be in real danger of losing him. I would not be at all surprised if overtures have not already been made through third parties about his availability- hopefully I'm wrong but his stock has certainly risen and enquires will be made - I have little doubt. Cream rises to the top, and DC has proven that he can do it at any level, so I'm sure he'll get more offers. I think if there's imminent positive news about UWE due, then the budget next season will be a little higher, and we may be able to take a few more risks on new players, otherwise I don't see any problem with sticking to the original plan and signing a couple more Bodin standard players to add depth to the squad. That and a striker who can make the most of all the chances we create should be enough to finish 2nd or 3rd next season. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 19:02:31 GMT
Your love affair with JW is admirable but he knew where we were headed and chickened out. DC has proven since then how he would have managed if allowed to do so and long may he be in charge here Contrary to popular fiction peddled by the likes of you he did not chicken out he was forced out by the chairman and the assistant manager who kept asking to be put in charge to prove himself unfortunately he didn't succeed that season.unlike your forecast we were not doomed that season until the last game losing to a side who were so well prepared they forgot to booked somewhere to have a meal and even forgot their kit.unfotuneately for you deal in facts not fiction Please provide proof that DC and the Chairman forced JW out. Secondly the reason we were relegated was that JW assembled a team that appeared to be more than capable of performing well. However his don't get beat tactics resulted in a team who were incapable of pulling a game out of the fire once we had conceded first. And finally JW's lack of activity in the January window rubber stamped our downward descent and DC was left to pick up the pieces with a squad of players who simply could not hit a barn door from six yards away. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Apr 16, 2017 19:04:02 GMT
The funny thing is, that what happened to this football club, is actually an incredibly sobering outlook on life in general. No matter how low you feel, no matter what life throws at you, just remember - if you've truly hit rock bottom, you cannot go any lower - the only way is up. It's amazing what a couple of years can do and just how good things can work out. UTG Tell that to Torquay! It's like when you are down and out, jobless, homeless, she's left you long ago, you're scrabbling around for scraps in the bin before the special brew kicks in and puts you out of your misery for the night. Things couldn't get any worse you think. I've hit the very bottom. And then as you curl up in your cold, damp corner for the night thinking nothing could get any worse, someone takes a p**s on you. And a bit goes in your mouth. And as you wipe it away from your mouth with a vomit crusted sleeve, you hear Roverdrive walking past saying how awful it was when he lost his Rolex. That's Torquay right there. Bleak. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 20:48:17 GMT
Contrary to popular fiction peddled by the likes of you he did not chicken out he was forced out by the chairman and the assistant manager who kept asking to be put in charge to prove himself unfortunately he didn't succeed that season.unlike your forecast we were not doomed that season until the last game losing to a side who were so well prepared they forgot to booked somewhere to have a meal and even forgot their kit.unfotuneately for you deal in facts not fiction Please provide proof that DC and the Chairman forced JW out. Secondly the reason we were relegated was that JW assembled a team that appeared to be more than capable of performing well. However his don't get beat tactics resulted in a team who were incapable of pulling a game out of the fire once we had conceded first. And finally JW's lack of activity in the January window rubber stamped our downward descent and DC was left to pick up the pieces with a squad of players who simply could not hit a barn door from six yards away. What i am telling you came from John himself as for lack of activity his hands were tied inasmuch as there was no money to sign players other than the 3 loan signings he made and who is going to say they were poor.he was forced out against his will.he wanted to see the season out but he was made a take it or leave it offer.he is an easy target for certain sections of the fan base as are some players but that is for another day |
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