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Post by gasstrictband on Apr 16, 2017 21:47:31 GMT
Genuine question , whatever happened to John Wart ,and does he still use Bellend aftershave.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 6:49:16 GMT
No relegation, Clarke might have eneded up 17th after 10 games and fired back to the national league.
A huge amount of our fanbase hated him from the off. A non-league guy, not a "proper" manager.
The idea that he would have had the 6 months he needed to draw out the poison that riddled our club in league 2, whilst a noble appreciation and endorsement of DC, I believe is an unlikely scenario. We've wanted managers out after a few draws back then, DC was not DC then, he was some bloke nobody had ever heard of and was tied up as "Higgs's guy" and "the guy who Nick took on the cheap instead of JW"
The MAJORITY of you thought he was a doughnut and beneath our club. We absolutely needed that relegation.
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Post by countygroundhotel on Apr 17, 2017 11:52:40 GMT
No relegation, Clarke might have eneded up 17th after 10 games and fired back to the national league. A huge amount of our fanbase hated him from the off. A non-league guy, not a "proper" manager. The idea that he would have had the 6 months he needed to draw out the poison that riddled our club in league 2, whilst a noble appreciation and endorsement of DC, I believe is an unlikely scenario. We've wanted managers out after a few draws back then, DC was not DC then, he was some bloke nobody had ever heard of and was tied up as "Higgs's guy" and "the guy who Nick took on the cheap instead of JW" The MAJORITY of you thought he was a doughnut and beneath our club. We absolutely needed that relegation. The fact is after relegation the board had no money to consider alternatives to DC, had we stayed up the board would still have had no money to consider alternatives to DC. Unlike the Conference had we stayed up no-one would have been expecting, or demanding as we were, promotion and the board & fans would've given DC time as long as we were outside the bottom 2. As it was we'd had low expectations hammered into us. No club ever needs relegation and only fans trying to re-write history with hindsight say a club needs relegation. Other than that I think you're talking absolute Dam bollocks.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 12:23:36 GMT
No relegation, Clarke might have eneded up 17th after 10 games and fired back to the national league. A huge amount of our fanbase hated him from the off. A non-league guy, not a "proper" manager. The idea that he would have had the 6 months he needed to draw out the poison that riddled our club in league 2, whilst a noble appreciation and endorsement of DC, I believe is an unlikely scenario. We've wanted managers out after a few draws back then, DC was not DC then, he was some bloke nobody had ever heard of and was tied up as "Higgs's guy" and "the guy who Nick took on the cheap instead of JW" The MAJORITY of you thought he was a doughnut and beneath our club. We absolutely needed that relegation. The fact is after relegation the board had no money to consider alternatives to DC, had we stayed up the board would still have had no money to consider alternatives to DC. Unlike the Conference had we stayed up no-one would have been expecting, or demanding as we were, promotion and the board & fans would've given DC time as long as we were outside the bottom 2. As it was we'd had low expectations hammered into us. No club ever needs relegation and only fans trying to re-write history with hindsight say a club needs relegation. Other than that I think you're talking absolute f**king bollocks. OK
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 14:05:07 GMT
Contrary to popular fiction peddled by the likes of you he did not chicken out he was forced out by the chairman and the assistant manager who kept asking to be put in charge to prove himself unfortunately he didn't succeed that season.unlike your forecast we were not doomed that season until the last game losing to a side who were so well prepared they forgot to booked somewhere to have a meal and even forgot their kit.unfotuneately for you deal in facts not fiction Despite your protestations - he was pleased to go - the pressure was intense - and he could have stood his ground - but didn't If he was pleased to go why then did he reluctantly accept the d.o.f role until the end of the season when it would have been easier to just walk away,are you related to hans Christian Andersen or even one of the grimms,because you like to deal in fairy stories
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 18, 2017 17:38:58 GMT
So basically you're saying we should have kept JW in charge and never appointed DC as manager. Not sure many Gasheads would agree with that view when DC picked up a dying club and turned it around basically single handily.
You only have to look at the likes of Hereford, York and Torquay to see where we could be now if NH had appointed the wrong man to replace JW.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Apr 18, 2017 18:10:37 GMT
So basically you're saying we should have kept JW in charge and never appointed DC as manager. Not sure many Gasheads would agree with that view when DC picked up a dying club and turned it around basically single handily. You only have to look at the likes of Hereford, York and Torquay to see where we could be now if NH had appointed the wrong man to replace JW. I thought we should have kept JW in charge until the end of the season. unlike many, I'm happy to admit when I'm wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 18:19:15 GMT
So basically you're saying we should have kept JW in charge and never appointed DC as manager. Not sure many Gasheads would agree with that view when DC picked up a dying club and turned it around basically single handily. You only have to look at the likes of Hereford, York and Torquay to see where we could be now if NH had appointed the wrong man to replace JW. I thought we should have kept JW in charge until the end of the season. unlike many, I'm happy to admit when I'm wrong. That is what I was saying we shouldn't have appointed a green manager at that stage of the season.suicidal
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 18, 2017 18:37:25 GMT
I thought we should have kept JW in charge until the end of the season. unlike many, I'm happy to admit when I'm wrong. That is what I was saying we shouldn't have appointed a green manager at that stage of the season.suicidal At least DC almost pulled it off under JW we would have gone down w/o a fight.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Apr 18, 2017 19:10:54 GMT
That is what I was saying we shouldn't have appointed a green manager at that stage of the season.suicidal At least DC almost pulled it off under JW we would have gone down w/o a fight. We were water poor, but safely out of trouble when Ward stepped down.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 19:25:58 GMT
At least DC almost pulled it off under JW we would have gone down w/o a fight. We were p**s poor, but safely out of trouble when Ward stepped down. The match when I realised we were doomed was losing at home to a terrible Torquay side who couldn't buy a win at the time with their decisive goal scored by a certain Lee Mansell.
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Post by singupgas on Apr 18, 2017 19:38:06 GMT
At least DC almost pulled it off under JW we would have gone down w/o a fight. We were p**s poor, but safely out of trouble when Ward stepped down. We were hardly safe. John Ward stepped down 23rd March Attachment Deleted
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 18, 2017 20:06:40 GMT
Of course we were safe "Rovers have only won one out of their last seven games and are just three points and three places ahead of the League Two relegation zone with eight games left to play" I guess Birmingham City are also completely safe hence why Zola's stepped now, rather than wait until the end of the season!!
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Apr 18, 2017 20:14:43 GMT
Would DC have signed half of the plyers he did, if he'd taken over a league 2 struggling side at the end of the season?
For once in our history things went our way.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Apr 19, 2017 5:15:11 GMT
At least DC almost pulled it off under JW we would have gone down w/o a fight. We were p**s poor, but safely out of trouble when Ward stepped down. I think we were going down though. It may just be me with rose tinted glasses not having anything look bad on DC but we were sinking pretty fast.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Apr 19, 2017 5:55:58 GMT
Your love affair with JW is admirable but he knew where we were headed and chickened out. DC has proven since then how he would have managed if allowed to do so and long may he be in charge here Contrary to popular fiction peddled by the likes of you he did not chicken out he was forced out by the chairman and the assistant manager who kept asking to be put in charge to prove himself unfortunately he didn't succeed that season.unlike your forecast we were not doomed that season until the last game losing to a side who were so well prepared they forgot to booked somewhere to have a meal and even forgot their kit.unfotuneately for you deal in facts not fiction Yet Ward was doing such a fine job, spending all summer chasing JJOT he forgot to sign anyone else so ended up with Mitch Harding up front and swapping Richards for Gow.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 6:29:09 GMT
What was wrong with our club was going on for years prior to the drop. There is a thing in life called chance. It's not real but it's how we explain random events. You can smoke, drink and take crack every day and sometimes you'll live to age 95 by good fortune. Other are health freaks and have a heart attacck at 35. However, what we know exist are trends and likelyhoods.
So, without blethering on too much, we were in a perilous state for 3 long years. We luckily scraped out of it and we did not hve the luck with us when we went donwn - it could have been ANY of the other years but that was the unlucky one. We had worse teams in that league - McGhee was lucky to have Muzzy - THAT season would have been the relegation one without Muzzy.....you can go on and on but I feel the rot at the club was eating it from the inside and DC was very much a fall guy - all those years of crap got lumped on to him and he was blamed by MOST fans for relegation - 8 games from 3 years of bullshit.
It's a bit like the first world war - you could say it was the assasination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand which caused it, but we all know the reasons were myriad, like a spiders web, and FF was the catalyst. Much as Rovers were going out long before DC arrived and blaming him for the relegation is like blaming Franz Ferdinand for the first day of the Somme.
i think most people took this view when we observed how much it hurt DC. Very unusual for a manager to care - whether it was for him or us is immaterial,here is someone who cared as much as we did about this relegation, and it took some balls to stay and rebuild with all the "DC out "bollocks. I pray we keep him because even Holloway, Pulis.....even bloody Pep or Jose and I would be thinking..."yea, but he's not DC". DC is ours, it's his club now and for gods sake Wael, keep him.
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Post by countygroundhotel on Apr 19, 2017 7:33:07 GMT
We were doomed, relegation was a certainty, best thing that ever happened to the Club. I hope no-one from OTIB is reading this crap
The facts are under JW we were in an incredibly better position than come the end of season. And the fact is we only needed one point at home to a team that had consistently shown themselves to be the worst team in the Football League or Mansfield who had nothing to play for. Hardly an impossible Dam position
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 7:43:55 GMT
We were doomed, relegation was a certainty, best thing that ever happened to the Club. I hope no-one from OTIB is reading this crap The facts are under JW we were in an incredibly better position than come the end of season. And the fact is we only needed one point at home to a team that had consistently shown themselves to be the worst team in the Football League or Mansfield who had nothing to play for. Hardly an impossible f**king position Can I suggest a communication skills course? Do you give a damn what OTIB think? Why would anyone define what they think or say based on the opinions of people they don't respect? Isn't it evident by the fact we are in a better position now than we were under JW/PB/MM? Or would we have been promoted to league one the following year? All if, buts and maybe's at the end of the day but we can all say what we like, regardless of needlessly aggressive sweary ranting.
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Post by yattongas on Apr 19, 2017 7:47:04 GMT
What was wrong with our club was going on for years prior to the drop. There is a thing in life called chance. It's not real but it's how we explain random events. You can smoke, drink and take crack every day and sometimes you'll live to age 95 by good fortune. Other are health freaks and have a heart attacck at 35. However, what we know exist are trends and likelyhoods. So, without blethering on too much, we were in a perilous state for 3 long years. We luckily scraped out of it and we did not hve the luck with us when we went donwn - it could have been ANY of the other years but that was the unlucky one. We had worse teams in that league - McGhee was lucky to have Muzzy - THAT season would have been the relegation one without Muzzy.....you can go on and on but I feel the rot at the club was eating it from the inside and DC was very much a fall guy - all those years of crap got lumped on to him and he was blamed by MOST fans for relegation - 8 games from 3 years of bullshit. It's a bit like the first world war - you could say it was the assasination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand which caused it, but we all know the reasons were myriad, like a spiders web, and FF was the catalyst. Much as Rovers were going out long before DC arrived and blaming him for the relegation is like blaming Franz Ferdinand for the first day of the Somme. i think most people took this view when we observed how much it hurt DC. Very unusual for a manager to care - whether it was for him or us is immaterial,here is someone who cared as much as we did about this relegation, and it took some balls to stay and rebuild with all the "DC out "bollocks. I pray we keep him because even Holloway, Pulis.....even bloody Pep or Jose and I would be thinking..."yea, but he's not DC". DC is ours, it's his club now and for gods sake Wael, keep him. Show me a smoking , drinking crack taking 95 yr old and I'll agree.
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