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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 19, 2017 22:12:09 GMT
If this develops into a "soft Brexit" v. "hard Brexit" poll, the results might be interesting. Clearly a majority of the population would be either remainers or leavers in favour of some form of agreement with the EU in exchange for access to the single market. Hard Brexiters, who would not be willing to settle for a deal which leaves us as a sort of affiliate member who pays the price (financially and/or free movement) for membership, must be a minority. Therefore if this much-discussed hypothetical Labour-Liberal pact to push for a soft Brexit actually happens, and they manage to persuade people that the Tories are not going to be the ones to deliver that soft option, Mrs May might find herself wishing she'd never called the election. Funnily enough, the FT ran a piece about the election being a way to restrict the 'hard Brexit' element of her party. www.ft.com/content/0a85a8c0-2427-11e7-a34a-538b4cb30025 The pound climbed as much as 2.7 per cent to a five-month high of $1.2905 on Tuesday, breaking through a long-term downward trend for the first time since the vote for Brexit as investors bet the prime minister would use the vote to neutralise Tory Eurosceptics and deliver a soft Brexit. The UK currency built on its gains from London trading to surge even higher during the New York day, gaining almost a full cent after its City close. “Not only does this neutralise Labour and the SNP, but it means she can negotiate a Brexit deal along the lines of what she wishes for, rather than having to appease the hardliners in her own party,” said David Owen, chief European financial economist at Jefferies. “She is now in a position to neutralise them as a threat.” |
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 19, 2017 22:21:56 GMT
Hate the Tories with a passion too, but even at their worse they were not as unelectable as Corbyn is. Smart move by May, minimum of another 4 years in power for her party. Labour are a shambles. I don`t think it was a smart move really. I think it`s been pretty much forced upon her. I`m sure that she would rather have carried on until 2020, facing Jeremy Corbyn day in day out, on the other side of the dispatch box, and then face him in a general election. That way, she`d have had nobody credible to oppose her, and 8 years in power for her party. Personally, I think this is a Godsend for Labour. Better to be wiped out now and reorganize under someone like Dan Jarvis, than limp impotently along the way they are at the moment. What, just like a football team being relegated to the Conference after several years of just surviving then bouncing back with a double promotion? No, never going to happen;-) Incidentally, I agree about Labour using this to get rid and start again, although with whom? No guarantee who would be left but it does prevent the threat of deselection that Momentum was using. Could be the saviour of Labour. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 19, 2017 22:30:37 GMT
Turning to other issues, the Manifestos could be interesting. Over the weekend some Conservative ideas were mooted, such as the triple lock pension protection being watered down and the overseas aid budget being reduced or reclassified and incorporated into a 'security' budget.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 6:35:45 GMT
What on earth is this hard/soft Brexit nonsense? China, the US, South Korea etc etc etc all have access to this so-called free market. They don't have to pay anything to the EU. They do not have to accept free movement of people. They do not have to accept any laws created in Brussels. Why should the UK be treated any differently? I appreciate that's a rhetorical question, but the Economist has a very brief explanation. My understanding is that it is pretty much down to tariffs. If you look at the recent Japan-Australian Free Trade Agreement, it didn't eliminate tariffs but reduced them. One example was their beef, Japan imposes a 38.5% tariffs which will be halved over 18 years www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2016/10/economist-explains-3www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-07/free-trade-agreement-explained-bilateral-fta-tpp/5371314This whole tariff nonsense can be sorted out in a mornings negotiations. The UK say that they will not impose any tariffs on goods coming from the EU into the UK. Let's just keep things the way they are. The trade imbalance is something like 60 billion a year? If the EU impose any tariffs on goods coming from the UK, then we suggest that we will impose tariffs on their goods as well, and always add 2% above what they impose on us. So, the offer is, keep things as they are, or we will impose a tariff 2% above the tariffs you impose on us. Tariffs will hurt the EU more than they will hurt the UK. With the 60 billion imbalance, the UK hold all the cards here. Jobs a good 'un. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 6:38:28 GMT
Turning to other issues, the Manifestos could be interesting. Over the weekend some Conservative ideas were mooted, such as the triple lock pension protection being watered down and the overseas aid budget being reduced or reclassified and incorporated into a 'security' budget. Totally agree with the Overseas Aid programme being revisited. Are you aware that we send aid to North Korea......yes, really we do ! |
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Post by William Wilson on Apr 20, 2017 6:50:04 GMT
Turning to other issues, the Manifestos could be interesting. Over the weekend some Conservative ideas were mooted, such as the triple lock pension protection being watered down and the overseas aid budget being reduced or reclassified and incorporated into a 'security' budget. Totally agree with the Overseas Aid programme being revisited. Are you aware that we send aid to North Korea......yes, really we do ! Looks like they`re getting ready to return some of that aid to us, in one form or another. Keep an eye on the skies to the east. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 6:55:27 GMT
Turning to other issues, the Manifestos could be interesting. Over the weekend some Conservative ideas were mooted, such as the triple lock pension protection being watered down and the overseas aid budget being reduced or reclassified and incorporated into a 'security' budget. Ah, the manifestos.......worthless pieces of paper in reality. There should be some sort of mechanism that makes them legally binding, although I'm not sure how that will work. Let's play "Have a Guess" at what they may contain. Tories:- No numbers on immigration. More money for the NHS A pledge to spend 2% of GDP on Defence. No VAT increases Lords reforms. Increase in Border security Grammar Schools Reduction in Overseas Aid Budget Government Aid to rebuild the Fishing Industry Labour:- Nationalise the Railways. New tax bands Robin Hood Transaction Tax Genetically modified Money Trees, so every town can have one. Increase borrowing for Investment in infrastructure. More money for the NHS More money for benefit claimants More money for.......... More money for.......... Pay Cap for high earners Increase Corporation Tax No Grammar Schools Free School meals Increase in the Minimum Wage Trades Union laws....um....modified. Lib Dems:- Rainbow Farting Unicorns for all families. Rename the UK to Region 4, European Democratic Republic SNP:- Guarantee a Referendum Guarantee a Referendum Guarantee a Referendum |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 7:34:25 GMT
Turning to other issues, the Manifestos could be interesting. Over the weekend some Conservative ideas were mooted, such as the triple lock pension protection being watered down and the overseas aid budget being reduced or reclassified and incorporated into a 'security' budget. Ah, the manifestos.......worthless pieces of paper in reality. There should be some sort of mechanism that makes them legally binding, although I'm not sure how that will work. Let's play "Have a Guess" at what they may contain. Tories:- No numbers on (or decrease in?) immigration.
More money for the NHS A pledge to spend 2% of GDP on Defence. No VAT increases Lords reforms. Increase in Border securityGrammar Schools Reduction in Overseas Aid Budget
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Post by aghast on Apr 20, 2017 12:30:57 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 12:34:03 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 18:20:31 GMT
Corbyn's Britain!
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Apr 21, 2017 19:52:50 GMT
Honestly think this election could be a 'Voted Conservatives because the news told me to' one! As a relatively young guy it scares me how many people my age have no real interest in politics.
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Post by aghast on Apr 21, 2017 20:33:29 GMT
The sooner they introduce online voting the better.
Trotting along to the polling station with your little voting card in your hands is like the old days of going to Boots to get your holiday photos developed.
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Apr 21, 2017 20:39:13 GMT
The sooner they introduce online voting the better. Trotting along to the polling station with your little voting card in your hands is like the old days of going to Boots to get your holiday photos developed. Or having to go to the club shop to buy tickets for away games! |
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Post by William Wilson on Apr 22, 2017 7:01:09 GMT
The sooner they introduce online voting the better. Trotting along to the polling station with your little voting card in your hands is like the old days of going to Boots to get your holiday photos developed. Nobby used to develop his own holiday snaps. There was NO WAY that he was going to let anyone else clock those photographs. It was still against the law then. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 24, 2017 11:55:00 GMT
Just been watching Corbyn making a speech in Aviemore. Not a fan of his anyway but boy, that was so lacklustre and boring. Even preaching to the converted he seems useless.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 15:49:27 GMT
The sooner they introduce online voting the better. Trotting along to the polling station with your little voting card in your hands is like the old days of going to Boots to get your holiday photos developed. Online voting....yep, there is no way that could ever be hacked is there. What could possibly go wrong ! Postal voting is available, but it is obvious that that method is being abused, and in fact, postal voting should be banned. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 18:19:38 GMT
Well, it's looking pretty easy for the Tories. They don't actually have to say very much, but just sit back and let all the others self-destruct !
Labour - Does anyone know if they have ANY coherent policies? They not only contradict each other, but sometimes they contradict themselves in the space of a couple of hours! Keir Starmer today is a case in point.
Lib Dems - Little Timmy is getting himself into a right state about his views on Gays.
SNP - Are seething that they may take a large hit in Scotland. Even a three or four reduction in their seats will be enough to kill of any Referendum claims.
Greens - Only there for a laugh surely.
UKIP - Self-destructing and looking totally hopeless.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 19:18:58 GMT
Well, it's looking pretty easy for the Tories. They don't actually have to say very much, but just sit back and let all the others self-destruct ! Labour - Does anyone know if they have ANY coherent policies? They not only contradict each other, but sometimes they contradict themselves in the space of a couple of hours! Keir Starmer today is a case in point. Lib Dems - Little Timmy is getting himself into a right state about his views on Gays. SNP - Are seething that they may take a large hit in Scotland. Even a three or four reduction in their seats will be enough to kill of any Referendum claims. Greens - Only there for a laugh surely. UKIP - Self-destructing and looking totally hopeless. I would like to know where you saw the contradictions in Starmer's speech, as it has been praised quite a bit this eve? Talking of policies, I'm glad a few Conservative policies and ideas are coming out in the open. Theresa is making appearances too! So far we have: - No decrease in the amount of money spent on foreign aid - Failure to protect the triple lock pension - Hints there'll be rises in taxes and/or VAT Manifesto will be here soon |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 7:21:34 GMT
I wish someone would do some digging to find out who is funding her. So we now know she is funded by tax-exile, I live on Necker in the Carib, Sir Richard Branson. |
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