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Post by Colyton Gas on Apr 25, 2017 9:32:42 GMT
Was poor at Vale but scored a cracker!!!!!
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Post by Marshy on Apr 25, 2017 9:46:20 GMT
GK - New GK - New LB - Lee Brown LB - Bob Harris RB - Dan Leadbitter RB - James Clarke CD - Tom Lockyear CD - Johnny Burn CD - Peter Hartley CD - Joe Partington CM - Ollie Clarke CM - Chris Lines CM - Stuart Sinclair CM - New LW - Byron Moore LW - Cristiano Montano RW - Ryan Broom RW - Billy Boden FD - Rory Gaffney FD - Ellis Harrison ST - New ST - New Need 5 top quality players Bob Harris might look good on the ball, but don't rate his defending - look at the highlights of the Posh game. Needs to improve if Rovers are going to keep him. Send him back to radio 2 so he can get back on with his whispering.
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Post by bluegas on Apr 25, 2017 10:38:25 GMT
According to the league table, Rochdale have better players and I'd guess they are on nowhere near as much as our players.
With regards to FFP, the lowest L1 ave attendance this season are Rochdale and Fleetwood, Scunthorpe aren't much further ahead either!
The scunts are being bankrolled by their owner and Fleetwood use the loophole of running their owners business from the stadium and using it to bloat the turnover numbers.No idea how Rochdale are do so well in relation to their attendance figures. Possibly their geographical position. They can pick up castoffs from all the big clubs around them who probably take less as they can live at home & cost of living less up there.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 25, 2017 10:56:24 GMT
GK - New GK - New LB - Lee Brown LB - Bob Harris RB - Dan Leadbitter RB - James Clarke CD - Tom Lockyear CD - Johnny Burn CD - Peter Hartley CD - Joe Partington CM - Ollie Clarke CM - Chris Lines CM - Stuart Sinclair CM - New LW - Byron Moore LW - Cristiano Montano RW - Ryan Broom RW - Billy Boden FD - Rory Gaffney FD - Ellis Harrison ST - New ST - New Need 5 top quality players We don't need a "top quality" reserve goalie just a competent one? Although I'd be looking for a quality CH, Sweeney or similar, so it's still 5 we need. I'm not really sure I'd offer Monty a new contract as we need better in my view, that goes for Harris and possibly J Clarke as well, there must be some reason none of these players have signed new contracts yet but the likes of Sincs have?
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 25, 2017 11:31:08 GMT
Taking into account where we've finished we need to improve areas such as GK, CH and strikers for next season but we don't need a complete new team. I would hope for 2/3 new players who will be playing most of the time and be first choices. If we were to do that then that would improve us as a team and hopefully mean we will compete in the top half of the table. We are not in a position to go out and buy a new team without major investment and that's not going to happen whilst we are at the Mem. 2/3 better players this summer and hopefully improving the squad in subsequent windows would be the way to do it. If we've learnt anything since the turn of the century amongst all the dross we've had inflicted on us it must be something along the lines of just because you spend money and make major changes in the squad doesn't make for a better team. Let's do it gradually, bring in a few better players then improve gradually over the next few windows, hopefully with DC at the helm. With that in mind I would keep RG, CM and EH but let other fringe players go to create the finances for the changes we need. UTG!
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 25, 2017 12:20:46 GMT
Taking into account where we've finished we need to improve areas such as GK, CH and strikers for next season but we don't need a complete new team. I would hope for 2/3 new players who will be playing most of the time and be first choices. If we were to do that then that would improve us as a team and hopefully mean we will compete in the top half of the table. We are not in a position to go out and buy a new team without major investment and that's not going to happen whilst we are at the Mem. 2/3 better players this summer and hopefully improving the squad in subsequent windows would be the way to do it. If we've learnt anything since the turn of the century amongst all the dross we've had inflicted on us it must be something along the lines of just because you spend money and make major changes in the squad doesn't make for a better team. Let's do it gradually, bring in a few better players then improve gradually over the next few windows, hopefully with DC at the helm. With that in mind I would keep RG, CM and EH but let other fringe players go to create the finances for the changes we need. UTG! It's a good idea in theory but last summer's permanent signings weren't great, Hartley, Moore & James & this January's, Partington & Burn, have hardly made their mark on the first team so far. As far as the previous "dross" we've signed surely logic suggests if DC spends decent money on a player then he's going to get better player than one on a free, regardless of what previous managers have signed in the past. We really need at least 4 quality players, GK, CH, 2 x strikers, just to really stand still let alone progress. Plus good competition for the CM & winger roles is really a requirement.
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 25, 2017 12:34:57 GMT
No, last summers probably weren't the best but DC had promised the promotion team contracts and he honoured that. That probably limited him in getting new players in. Those you've mentioned, apart from Hartley in the first half of the season, were not first choices. This summer there will be more changes and if we can get 2/3 quality players who are first choices then that will improve our team. And don't think that just because you pay money for a player he must be better than a "free." It depends upon where he is in the contract cycle. He might be a very good player just out of contract and therefore a "free." I can see your logic but I don't agree necessarily with it. By the way I don't disagree with what you have said we need and were we to get at least three of those I would be happy. Whatever, it will be an interesting summer. UTG!
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Post by whoblue on Apr 25, 2017 13:11:15 GMT
If you changed the thread title to 'Retrained List' it could look something like...
Luke James - Striking coach Steve Mildenhall - Goalkeeping coach Lee Mansell - Fan liaison Ellis Harrison - Tea boy
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 25, 2017 17:38:49 GMT
No, last summers probably weren't the best but DC had promised the promotion team contracts and he honoured that. That probably limited him in getting new players in. Those you've mentioned, apart from Hartley in the first half of the season, were not first choices. This summer there will be more changes and if we can get 2/3 quality players who are first choices then that will improve our team. And don't think that just because you pay money for a player he must be better than a "free." It depends upon where he is in the contract cycle. He might be a very good player just out of contract and therefore a "free." I can see your logic but I don't agree necessarily with it. By the way I don't disagree with what you have said we need and were we to get at least three of those I would be happy. Whatever, it will be an interesting summer. UTG! I don't disagree about "frees" but you'd have hope somebody under contract and so costing a fee would be a better quality player than a free transfer. Although probably a player like Ricky Miller will now be looking for a sizable signing on fee, even though in theory he's available on a free transfer.
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Post by Marshy on Apr 25, 2017 17:40:48 GMT
If you changed the thread title to 'Retrained List' it could look something like... Luke James - Striking coach Steve Mildenhall - Goalkeeping coach Lee Mansell - Fan liaison Ellis Harrison - Tea boy You forgot Jake Gosling- River Island
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Post by yategas78 on Apr 25, 2017 18:14:49 GMT
The Bing Bong man press officer
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 19:00:24 GMT
Quick q: did Lee Mansell play under or with Chris Hargreaves at Torquay? Make Mase number 2!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 12:18:14 GMT
Some managers sign players that they view as being part of the following seasons first team squad. As in players signed this summer to feature in the 2018/19 season. That way you can get a decent quality but less experienced player and bring them through immersed in your ethics of football for a lot less money. Called something like......planning ahead.
Mr Mathew Taylor was available for free last summer. So decent players do become available on frees if you can pay the wages/signing on fee asked.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Apr 26, 2017 12:24:33 GMT
Does anyone think any of our under contract players will be subject to a bid from other clubs?
I think the most likely is probably Bodin. I also think that Lockyer and O. Clarke are players that are worthy of a transfer fee at the moment but that doesn't mean that other clubs will recognize that as they are not necessarily "stand-out" players.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Apr 26, 2017 12:26:17 GMT
Does anyone think any of our under contract players will be subject to a bid from other clubs? I think the most likely is probably Bodin. I also think that Lockyer and O. Clarke are players that are worthy of a transfer fee at the moment but that doesn't mean that other clubs will recognize that as they are not necessarily "stand-out" players. Bodin would be the only one that would concern me.
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Post by Marshy on Apr 26, 2017 12:32:52 GMT
Does anyone think any of our under contract players will be subject to a bid from other clubs? I think the most likely is probably Bodin. I also think that Lockyer and O. Clarke are players that are worthy of a transfer fee at the moment but that doesn't mean that other clubs will recognize that as they are not necessarily "stand-out" players. Bodin would be the only one that would concern me. Lets hope that someone comes in with a fee for Ellis, I will personally drive him to the medical where ever it is in the world! Agree though biggest worry is Billy Bob he's scored too many spectacular goals to go unnoticed, he will unfortunately already be on someone's shopping list.
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Post by simon1883 on Apr 27, 2017 8:19:34 GMT
Does anyone think any of our under contract players will be subject to a bid from other clubs? I think the most likely is probably Bodin. I also think that Lockyer and O. Clarke are players that are worthy of a transfer fee at the moment but that doesn't mean that other clubs will recognize that as they are not necessarily "stand-out" players. Bodin would be the only one that would concern me. I think we have missed Ollie Clarke since his injury. Bodin would be my biggest concern as he is a genuine flair player. However, I think Ollie Clarke is an "Enabler" and allows others to get on with it. He's also know for a long range shot or two.....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 10:51:59 GMT
Quick q: did Lee Mansell play under or with Chris Hargreaves at Torquay? Make Mase number 2! Why would you want to make LM number 2 or even a coach? A good journeyman lower league player (mostly in the 4th Division) with no experience of working with higher quality players and probably doesn't hold a coaching certificate. Dont draw comparisons with DC - we were left with little option then and free falling into the Conference. At least DC had some experience at Salisbury as a manager and working for a season under JW. We already have a capable number 2 who has played at a much higher level than him. He might do a good job at Torquay - IMO he's a player we need to get off the wage bill ASAP.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Apr 27, 2017 10:54:42 GMT
Bodin would be the only one that would concern me. I think we have missed Ollie Clarke since his injury. Bodin would be my biggest concern as he is a genuine flair player. However, I think Ollie Clarke is an "Enabler" and allows others to get on with it. He's also know for a long range shot or two..... I agree and think Ollie has been player of the season. I just don't think clubs will be in for him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 11:04:20 GMT
Quick q: did Lee Mansell play under or with Chris Hargreaves at Torquay? Make Mase number 2! Why would you want to make LM number 2 or even a coach? A good journeyman lower league player (mostly in the 4th Division) with no experience of working with higher quality players and probably doesn't hold a coaching certificate. Dont draw comparisons with DC - we were left with little option then and free falling into the Conference. At least DC had some experience at Salisbury as a manager and working for a season under JW. We already have a capable number 2 who has played at a much higher level than him. He might do a good job at Torquay - IMO he's a player we need to get off the wage bill ASAP. I meant make LM no.2 to Chris H.
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