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Post by dinsdale on Apr 26, 2017 7:28:46 GMT
I think our strategy of signing players late in the window to get better value worked really well in non league and league 2 and totally understand why we did the same as a result this season. This isn't meant as a criticism but does anyone else think that in order to take the next step we should be quick off the mark this time and go for the quality needed rather then gambling on late deals?
I look at the likes of Oxford potentially signing McAleney and us being left with players of lesser ability like Luke james. I think we clearly were not as sucessful with signings this season. A lot were sent back, we got through a few keepers before finding a good one etc. Our best performers Matty T, Olly Clarke and Chris Lines etc have / had been at the club a while. Maybe to make the next step we need a different approach to this area???
What do people think?
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Post by beaver132 on Apr 26, 2017 7:35:26 GMT
I think Oxford will still be in L1 next season as well. I agree if DC has a realistic target(s) we should go get him though.
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Post by Cantankerous Gas on Apr 26, 2017 7:48:12 GMT
It's all about identifying the right players. Sometimes you can't get them until later in the window.
Last year we got Big Pete Hartley nice & early in June. But there were arguably better centre-backs available.
Plymouth replaced Hartley with Sonny Bradley in July.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Apr 26, 2017 7:50:47 GMT
I prefer early signings as I think it just gives them more time to play together and develop an understanding of one another over a longer period.
No idea how it works in real life, trying to get the players you want though.
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Post by Qatar Gas on Apr 26, 2017 8:15:03 GMT
The start of the last three seasons have been seen our poorest form over the entire season.
I don't know if our poor starts are linked to when new players come in?
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Post by markczgas on Apr 26, 2017 9:19:57 GMT
The start of the last three seasons have been seen our poorest form over the entire season. I don't know if our poor starts are linked to when new players come in? you might have a point, but generally we've had settled squads over that last 2 seasons. Agree with Dins, let's get 3 quality players in early - Keeper, CB and Forward. Additional players to strengthen squad can come later. The trouble is - we want Sweeney and Lumley - but may have to wait a long time to get those deals done, if at all
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Post by peterparker on Apr 26, 2017 9:29:41 GMT
I think part of that was down to rewarding those that got us promoted and having less wiggle room and giving them a chance to prove themselves
We don't have that 'problem' this season.
In some respects we have two of next seasons signings already in Partington and Burn and they should be plenty settled by the time the start of the season roles around
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Post by tuamcelt74 on Apr 26, 2017 9:35:24 GMT
Sean Maguire Cork city in Ireland, leading striker in Irish football, wouldnt break the bank, a lot of interest from England recently, preston seem interested, would be a great signing..
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Post by Marshy on Apr 26, 2017 10:35:01 GMT
Sean Maguire Cork city in Ireland, leading striker in Irish football, wouldnt break the bank, a lot of interest from England recently, preston seem interested, would be a great signing.. Imagine having 2 Irishmen up front, wouldn't they confuse each other?
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 26, 2017 10:36:08 GMT
The start of the last three seasons have been seen our poorest form over the entire season. I don't know if our poor starts are linked to when new players come in? Can anybody understand why DC messed about with the diamond formation up until the turn of the year then just reverted back to 4-4-2, as that seems to have been the issue, at least at the Mem not the summer signings? Back to the OP we can only hope DC's got his targets and he'll sign them early, rather than wait for the left overs, although I guess that will depend on whether or not he already knows his budget for next season?
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Apr 26, 2017 10:44:14 GMT
Last season DC was in the position that he didn't know what league we were going to be in until May and probably didn't know what his budget was going to be until a while after that so he could hardly set his targets too early could he? That along with the fact that he didn't know which players of the current squad were going to make the step up and the fact that the Snake messed us about all summer would've made it very difficult.
This Summer is very different. The budgets will have been set a lot earlier and DC already knows which players are good enough and which ones aren't in order to move the club forward. Hopefully this means he'll be able to set his targets early and go all out to get them. In DC we trust. UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 26, 2017 11:44:21 GMT
Last season DC was in the position that he didn't know what league we were going to be in until May and probably didn't know what his budget was going to be until a while after that so he could hardly set his targets too early could he? That along with the fact that he didn't know which players of the current squad were going to make the step up and the fact that the Snake messed us about all summer would've made it very difficult. This Summer is very different. The budgets will have been set a lot earlier and DC already knows which players are good enough and which ones aren't in order to move the club forward. Hopefully this means he'll be able to set his targets early and go all out to get them. In DC we trust. UTG! This! Lots of names have been mentioned since January but in DC we trust. The other thing I would say is that I hope we don't get obsessed with one name or player throughout the summer. 2012 it was Constable from Oxford, we didn't get him and we had no plan B. 2013 it was all about JJOT, got him and then realised we really needed a striker, we didn't get him. 2014 and 2015 we didn't obsess with anyone particular just signed what we needed and had two very successful seasons leading to promotion. 2016 MT kept us guessing and although he signed, we all know we were screwed which was not DCs fault. And although this season has been another success I'm am confident DC will know who he wants for next season and will be able to get a couple of targets in early. An early sign of our intent will help other signings and possible loans perhaps. UTG!
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Post by dinsdale on Apr 26, 2017 11:46:01 GMT
I think part of that was down to rewarding those that got us promoted and having less wiggle room and giving them a chance to prove themselves We don't have that 'problem' this season. In some respects we have two of next seasons signings already in Partington and Burn and they should be plenty settled by the time the start of the season roles around Do you think they are good enough to take us up?. Neither got a lot of game time.
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Post by peterparker on Apr 26, 2017 12:23:43 GMT
I think part of that was down to rewarding those that got us promoted and having less wiggle room and giving them a chance to prove themselves We don't have that 'problem' this season. In some respects we have two of next seasons signings already in Partington and Burn and they should be plenty settled by the time the start of the season roles around Do you think they are good enough to take us up?. Neither got a lot of game time. no idea about Burn. I don't think he was fully fit when we signed him (sure I saw him doing a fitness test early on) and we brought in Sweeney as cover/competition and he has barely put a foot wrong and thus Burn hasn't really had a chance and he is still young and obviously one for the future/longer term as much as the now. Partington is a bit different being older but we have paid for both and DC must rate them
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 12:35:26 GMT
I prefer to see key signings done early as leaving it late can create risk for example I'd hate to see us go into pre-season without the striker and goal-keeper positions sorted.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 26, 2017 12:36:02 GMT
If Partington & Burn are going to be good enough for a top 6 side shouldn't they have both already forced their way into a top 10 side? I'm not sure where either fits in as Leads & JC seem favoured over Partington and Burn is never going to displace Locks who also seems to prefer playing alongside a dominant CH like Sweeney.
As far as DC only knowing in May which league he was going to be in, isn't that the case with most clubs who get promoted/jut miss out, DC at least had the advantage of not waiting a further month for the Play Offs to be completed last season. Although this season was probably all about consolidation, rather than promotion, anyway
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Post by mehewmagic on Apr 26, 2017 12:36:16 GMT
we had just come up from Lge 2, totally unproven, and before that the conf, and before that several miserable seasons in Lge 2.
internal fights, sainsbury's problems, court cases, rubbish trg ground, ex-Directors banned from the stadium.
Our stock was hardly that high.
It will still take a while for people to see through all that, but it has started and it will make recruitment easier in the future.
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Post by peterparker on Apr 26, 2017 12:43:23 GMT
If Partington & Burn are going to be good enough for a top 6 side shouldn't they have both already forced their way into a top 10 side? I'm not sure where either fits in as Leads & JC seem favoured over Partington and Burn is never going to displace Locks who also seems to prefer playing alongside a dominant CH like Sweeney. As far as DC only knowing in May which league he was going to be in, isn't that the case with most clubs who get promoted/jut miss out, DC at least had the advantage of not waiting a further month for the Play Offs to be completed last season. Although this season was probably all about consolidation, rather than promotion, anyway So who would you have dropped for Burn seeing as we were pushing for the play-offs and Sweeney hadn't done much wrong?
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 26, 2017 13:09:44 GMT
That was my point if Burn isn't good to dislodge this season's two CB's, when we're "only" going to finish just inside the top 10, is he going to be good enough for a team which is, hopefully, aiming for a top 6 finish, he didn't look particularly strong at Coventry although at least we'd kept a clean sheet before he went off injured.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 13:24:45 GMT
That was my point if Burn isn't good to dislodge this season's two CB's, when we're "only" going to finish just inside the top 10, is he going to be good enough for a team which is, hopefully, aiming for a top 6 finish, he didn't look particularly strong at Coventry although at least we'd kept a clean sheet before he went off injured. I'd like see see Burn and Partington included for the Millwall game.
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