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Post by Icegas on May 12, 2017 0:58:09 GMT
Is this asking for to much of our current board given the state of the Mem?
This is what DC is simply asking for after listening to - life is a gas on GT.
I think its not.Its not to much given where we are.
New - Richish owners.Avg gates in a awlful ground of 9,300.Great team base to build from.Our greatest ever manager in charge.
DC is the one man in the history of our club that I hope our owners back to the maximum if they can.
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Post by p4perlant3rn on May 12, 2017 5:10:06 GMT
Getting bored of all the talk about budgets.
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Post by orgasmic on May 12, 2017 5:28:15 GMT
Getting bored of all the talk about budgets. So why did you open read a thread called A Top 10 budget? And then post in it? Seems a little pointless... |
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Post by p4perlant3rn on May 12, 2017 5:53:52 GMT
Getting bored of all the talk about budgets. So why did you open read a thread called A Top 10 budget? And then post in it? Seems a little pointless... Because I have an opinion? Apologies. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 5:53:56 GMT
Getting bored of all the talk about budgets. So why did you open read a thread called A Top 10 budget? And then post in it? Seems a little pointless... To let people know that the subject is tedious? I'm bored of it aswell! |
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Post by philbemmygas on May 12, 2017 6:30:34 GMT
So why did you open read a thread called A Top 10 budget? And then post in it? Seems a little pointless... To let people know that the subject is tedious? I'm bored of it aswell! The fact of the matter is, he will be given a budget. It will be based on FFP rules and it will be amongst the top 24 budgets in the division, press and fan speculation will rate it higher or lower than others. At the end of the day we have no control over it, so lets just sit back and enjoy the ride.  |
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Post by madgas on May 12, 2017 6:35:30 GMT
Although not fully there- I'm towards agreement with boredom. However, it's been posted so let me explain.
The- 'is that so much to ask?,' 'does Wael even have money,' 'why haven't we signed a striker' questions/ messages are largely made up. There's no proof.
1) DC said that's what he wants but he has hasn't given any indication that the board feel different.
2) He said he turned down the chance to do business on deadline day because it was astronomical. He was happy.
3) Since Wael arrived we've had two transfer windows. Hartley was seen as a coup, we paid money for partington, signed burn and Moore. During that time we've lost parkes and McCrystal from the first team. Others were told they were free to leave but did not until after the window. We had a big squad- if not a big budget.
4) There are restrictions. FFP limits bristol rovers. Let's wait the summer- if DC gives it his thumbs up: great.
5) 10th is where our attendances is are. The 3 teams coming down all averaged higher attendances than us last year. Two of the promoted teams averaged higher than us. To spend exactly where your attendances allow whilst building a training ground and fighting for a stadium would be a great effort.
So DC is asking for the most he can, I see no reason to believe he won't get it but if doesn't- if he gets a top 12 budget that's not unreasonable either.
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Post by gasincider on May 12, 2017 7:29:33 GMT
So DC is asking for the most he can, I see no reason to believe he won't get it but if doesn't- if he gets a top 12 budget that's not unreasonable either. He had a top 12 budget last season and wasn't happy with it. As confirmed by Steve Brookfield at the AGM. |
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Post by oldgas on May 12, 2017 7:30:32 GMT
Well, I hope that with some inventive accounting Wael et al will be able to give DC exactly what he wants.
This is a manager in a million, we need to keep him for as long as possible. Wael has struck gold with what he inherited last February. He has been able to hit the ground running and should do everything he can to keep the momentum.
Situations like this only come along once in a generation at a club like ours. Previous promising eras have foundered because of a lack of resources, that's why the Sh1t have had the upper hand these last 17 years.
The time is now. Give DC what he wants.
AND A 5 YEAR CONTRACT !
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Post by xplosivgas on May 12, 2017 7:41:21 GMT
Owners must love being able to pull the 'FFP' card. I haven't ever bothered reading the small print of the 'rule', but is it even enforced to any significant degree? Are we the only club trying to abide by it!?
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Post by Gas_Quarters on May 12, 2017 7:48:11 GMT
Although not fully there- I'm towards agreement with boredom. However, it's been posted so let me explain. The- 'is that so much to ask?,' 'does Wael even have money,' 'why haven't we signed a striker' questions/ messages are largely made up. There's no proof. 1) DC said that's what he wants but he has hasn't given any indication that the board feel different. 2) He said he turned down the chance to do business on deadline day because it was astronomical. He was happy. 3) Since Wael arrived we've had two transfer windows. Hartley was seen as a coup, we paid money for partington, signed burn and Moore. During that time we've lost parkes and McCrystal from the first team. Others were told they were free to leave but did not until after the window. We had a big squad- if not a big budget. 4) There are restrictions. FFP limits bristol rovers. Let's wait the summer- if DC gives it his thumbs up: great.
5) 10th is where our attendances is are. The 3 teams coming down all averaged higher attendances than us last year. Two of the promoted teams averaged higher than us. To spend exactly where your attendances allow whilst building a training ground and fighting for a stadium would be a great effort.So DC is asking for the most he can, I see no reason to believe he won't get it but if doesn't- if he gets a top 12 budget that's not unreasonable either. I think these two are important. People were arguing earlier in the year about whether or not we would be better off getting promoted or staying in League One until our facilities are sorted. I think avoiding breaking FFP rules was a good argument for staying in League One. In the Championship you are only allowed to make so much of a loss in the club's accounts. Whereas in League One, the only rules to follow are based on a salary cap. So while we are in League One, Wael can blow as much of his own money as he wants on facilities and infrastructure (not saying he would want to) and still meet FFP. As soon as we are in the Championship, we have to watch what we are spending in all areas, not just the playing side. UTG! |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on May 12, 2017 8:04:52 GMT
In the Championship you are only allowed to make so much of a loss in the club's accounts. Whereas in League One, the only rules to follow are based on a salary cap. So while we are in League One, Wael can blow as much of his own money as he wants on facilities and infrastructure (not saying he would want to) and still meet FFP. As soon as we are in the Championship, we have to watch what we are spending in all areas, not just the playing side. UTG! Yeah, but in the Championship it's something like overspending £39m over three years. Can't really see that being much of a barrier to our spending. |
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Post by countygroundhotel on May 12, 2017 8:05:39 GMT
Owners must love being able to pull the 'FFP' card. I haven't ever bothered reading the small print of the 'rule', but is it even enforced to any significant degree? Are we the only club trying to abide by it!? Who knows it's full of holes. Sign a player on loan and pay his wages it counts against FFP, sign a player on loan and pay a loan fee (as we did with Chris Lines in Conference) then it doesn't count against FFP. |
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Post by Gas_Quarters on May 12, 2017 8:15:02 GMT
In the Championship you are only allowed to make so much of a loss in the club's accounts. Whereas in League One, the only rules to follow are based on a salary cap. So while we are in League One, Wael can blow as much of his own money as he wants on facilities and infrastructure (not saying he would want to) and still meet FFP. As soon as we are in the Championship, we have to watch what we are spending in all areas, not just the playing side. UTG! Yeah, but in the Championship it's something like overspending £39m over three years. Can't really see that being much of a barrier to our spending. Oh I didn't realise that. I guess what seems like losing a lot of money to us is absolutely nothing in comparison to teams dropping out of the Premiership and top end of Championship (or 17th in Championship for that matter). UTG! |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on May 12, 2017 8:28:36 GMT
(or 17th in Championship for that matter) Quite. |
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Post by singupgas on May 12, 2017 8:42:58 GMT
Owners must love being able to pull the 'FFP' card. I haven't ever bothered reading the small print of the 'rule', but is it even enforced to any significant degree? Are we the only club trying to abide by it!? I do believe that most clubs dont care about the FFP and we seem to be scared off breaching it. Just like someone else pointed out Peterborough are straight out the gates signing player - they dont wait until July like we seem to for some reason - and have almost 30 first team players.They average a whole 4000 less supporters than us. Hard to believe we could come close to breach FFP when Peterborough operate in such a way. Of course there ways to get around FFP "Rules" such as owners sponsoring stadium which counts as revenue. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 9:03:50 GMT
Although clubs with big budgets tend to do well in this league, Burton have shown you can do it on a much lower scale.
You do of course have clubs like Charlton who spent lots of money last summer and still got nowhere fast.
I think as long as DC is given enough to remain competitive in L1 without going OTT, then that will suffice until we have news either way on the ground.
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Post by long john silver on May 12, 2017 9:13:11 GMT
Owners must love being able to pull the 'FFP' card. I haven't ever bothered reading the small print of the 'rule', but is it even enforced to any significant degree? Are we the only club trying to abide by it!? it is enforced but any owner or chairman can give their club money as a gift which counts as income, it how alot of clubs get around it. they run up debts but the chairman just writes it all off . it what landsdown does with city. not a very sustainable way to run a club though. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 9:15:10 GMT
Going back a year or two, 5live had a lawyer on explaining the ins and outs of ffp.
He said its easily got around, one of WAQ's other business could sponsor a bin for £20M(yes I know that's unlikely to happen) but he was saying there are ways to get around it.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 9:34:07 GMT
I want a budget that our owners feel they can afford and sustain. I don't like 'boom and bust' where clubs over-stretch and then are forced to cut-back down the line. I'd rather we move steadily forward and sustain our progress without putting the finances of the club at too much risk.
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