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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 12:56:34 GMT
Our support numbers for the Grimsbury (sic) game was nothing short of amazing. I know several committed Gasheads who didn't go that day because they were still on the fence regarding Rovers as they had become totally disillusioned with the amateurish, Sunday pub team shambles the club had become. I didn't pull any punches there! The last 2 seasons have been amazing, crowds have grown to reflect our success, even with our cow shed of a stadium. I therefore believe we would have taken 40 k+ on Saturday. Hopefully we will get the chance to find out next season how many we would take to Wembley but I would guess it would be similar to the Conference final i.e. somewhere just short of 30,000. I don't think you can take Shrewsbury or Huddersfield as a benchmark - Huddersfield was the second time we had played at (the old) Wembley and 5 years after the first time. It was a novelty playing at Wembley and the famous twin towers was more iconic than the current stadium.
Shrewsbury in 2007 was when the new Wembley had just opened so everyone wanted to go to the new national stadium hence Rovers sold over 40,000 tickets.
Our lower attendance at the Grimsby game wasn't because we were in a lower league - it was a reflection of the lack of allure of going to Wembley after 10 years of overuse with FA Cup semi finals, conference finals , FA Trophy, FA Vase, Tottenham playing Champions League games etc. And lets face it, that was our 4th visit there plus a trip to Cardiff.
Wembley is no longer a big draw - in fact I can't stand the place - which is why attendances from all teams visiting Wembley are now lower than they used to be, including Rovers.
It never ceases to amaze me how many Gasheads convince themselves that we are better supported than we really are. We averaged just over 9,000 this year - our highest for 30 years - that's on the back of 2 successive promotions and with a promotion chasing team and charismatic manager. If we have an average season next year, gates will be back down below 7,000. I'd love it if we were better supported but am realistic enough to know that until we get a prolonged period in the Championship we will always struggle to get the core fan base above the 5-6,000 level.
That would have to be in the EFL trophy then as we will be promoted automatically
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Post by Marshy on May 22, 2017 13:31:09 GMT
Hopefully we will get the chance to find out next season how many we would take to Wembley but I would guess it would be similar to the Conference final i.e. somewhere just short of 30,000. I don't think you can take Shrewsbury or Huddersfield as a benchmark - Huddersfield was the second time we had played at (the old) Wembley and 5 years after the first time. It was a novelty playing at Wembley and the famous twin towers was more iconic than the current stadium.
Shrewsbury in 2007 was when the new Wembley had just opened so everyone wanted to go to the new national stadium hence Rovers sold over 40,000 tickets.
Our lower attendance at the Grimsby game wasn't because we were in a lower league - it was a reflection of the lack of allure of going to Wembley after 10 years of overuse with FA Cup semi finals, conference finals , FA Trophy, FA Vase, Tottenham playing Champions League games etc. And lets face it, that was our 4th visit there plus a trip to Cardiff.
Wembley is no longer a big draw - in fact I can't stand the place - which is why attendances from all teams visiting Wembley are now lower than they used to be, including Rovers.
It never ceases to amaze me how many Gasheads convince themselves that we are better supported than we really are. We averaged just over 9,000 this year - our highest for 30 years - that's on the back of 2 successive promotions and with a promotion chasing team and charismatic manager. If we have an average season next year, gates will be back down below 7,000. I'd love it if we were better supported but am realistic enough to know that until we get a prolonged period in the Championship we will always struggle to get the core fan base above the 5-6,000 level.
That would have to be in the EFL trophy then as we will be promoted automatically
We don't want it in that crap competition, what's wrong with the F A Cup final? I forgot it shouldn't be too difficult as they play the semis there now.
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Post by darkbluegas on May 22, 2017 13:35:02 GMT
Hopefully we will get the chance to find out next season how many we would take to Wembley but I would guess it would be similar to the Conference final i.e. somewhere just short of 30,000. I don't think you can take Shrewsbury or Huddersfield as a benchmark - Huddersfield was the second time we had played at (the old) Wembley and 5 years after the first time. It was a novelty playing at Wembley and the famous twin towers was more iconic than the current stadium.
Shrewsbury in 2007 was when the new Wembley had just opened so everyone wanted to go to the new national stadium hence Rovers sold over 40,000 tickets.
Our lower attendance at the Grimsby game wasn't because we were in a lower league - it was a reflection of the lack of allure of going to Wembley after 10 years of overuse with FA Cup semi finals, conference finals , FA Trophy, FA Vase, Tottenham playing Champions League games etc. And lets face it, that was our 4th visit there plus a trip to Cardiff.
Wembley is no longer a big draw - in fact I can't stand the place - which is why attendances from all teams visiting Wembley are now lower than they used to be, including Rovers.
It never ceases to amaze me how many Gasheads convince themselves that we are better supported than we really are. We averaged just over 9,000 this year - our highest for 30 years - that's on the back of 2 successive promotions and with a promotion chasing team and charismatic manager. If we have an average season next year, gates will be back down below 7,000. I'd love it if we were better supported but am realistic enough to know that until we get a prolonged period in the Championship we will always struggle to get the core fan base above the 5-6,000 level.
That would have to be in the EFL trophy then as we will be promoted automatically
Agree about the allure of Wembley now well and truly over with. A soulless bowl in the middle of a downbeat drab part of London, no appeal whatsoever. Much rather Villa Park for a bit of atmosphere, or a return to Cardiff for a whole day experience with fans outside the ground.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 14:47:06 GMT
That would have to be in the EFL trophy then as we will be promoted automatically
We don't want it in that crap competition, what's wrong with the F A Cup final? I forgot it shouldn't be too difficult as they play the semis there now.
Blimey, I thought I was being optimistic with automatic promotion!
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Post by Henbury Gas on May 22, 2017 14:56:18 GMT
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Post by Marshy on May 22, 2017 16:43:50 GMT
So basically there going to do nothing?what a waste of time bellends
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 17:07:39 GMT
Also, if we had a 20k stadium, how many fans would we get whilst in LG1? I don't think we'd get 17k, do you? Course we would
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 17:12:41 GMT
We took 43K when we played Shrewsbury for the first ever play off final at the new Wembley. That will have included thousands of neutrals in the Rovers end for the first time experience. On the day they counted as Rovers fans which is good and all because we get to say we took 43K, but for the biggest game in our history we only took 27K. Mocking Bradford for having 17,000 ST holders whilst our own capacity is two thirds of that though... no we took 32000
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Post by countygroundhotel on May 22, 2017 17:52:16 GMT
So basically there going to do nothing?what a waste of time bellends Millwall getting the same punishment that we got then, at least all clubs are being treated equally. Good to see confirmation that Wembley is covered by the same laws and regulations that the Mem and all other grounds are because some posters on the 2 threads obviously don't appreciate that fact.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 18:36:31 GMT
Millwall have the record for the most tickets sold by a single club for a game at the old Wembley just under 48,000 in 1999.
Seeing as millwall have played in the top flight and the championship for a good few years and reached the FA Cup final and semi final ,a second league one playoff might be as appealing to their "casual" fan as perhaps Rovers' playoff final in the conference was to Rovers "casual" fans.
How many Rovers fans would go to a league one playoff final if it was played in Leeds for example with Wembley prices ?
The thing is it doesn't matter how many fans you take it matters that you win.
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Post by moody on May 22, 2017 19:31:57 GMT
Potential is an interesting concept.
I believe that Bristol Rovers have more potential than us (Millwall) as an ordinary Championship club. That's because you do not have our baggage, you only have Bristol City to contend with for support in a relatively large catchment area. With a new stadium and a half decent Championship side I would imagine Rovers could average 15,000 odd whilst finishing between 8th and 16th.
We would need to be a serious Play-Off contender to be able to average 15,000 plus, due to our lack of ability to attract floating football fans, high ticket prices to pay London wages to players & history as a selling club.
However, as an inner city London club Millwall do have far more potential to become a decent sized Premier League club.
Scoff? Well, Chelsea had an even more toxic reputation than us in the 1980s and were down to crowds of 8,000. Now, I'm not saying we can have that kind of transformation. But, with a rich investor and promotion to the Premier League Millwall could grow to be a club that gets 30,000 plus. There are 3 million people living within an easy reach of the ground. A ground that sits in an area being regenerated and that is getting a new tube stop & is only 4 minutes from one of Europe's largest train hubs in London Bridge.
The club very much has the potential to be a mini Chelsea. Which is why it has been important to make sure the club is at the heart of the 'New Bermondsey'.
The club did used to pull in big crowds of 30,000 to 45,000 for Third & Second tier football when the docks were open. That was when there was not much else to do though & people simply watched their local side. Now days the club would need sustained success to achieve that level of support. But give Southwark and Lewisham a successful club and the fans are there.
As for our turn out Wembley on Saturday. What you have to remember is that Millwall have played at Wembley 5 times in 8 seasons, or 6 times in the last 18 years. When we played Wigan in the AWS Cup in 1999 49,500 Millwall fans went, when we played Scunthorpe in 2009 in the L1 Play-Off Final we took 49,500 again. 44,000 went to the following year's final v Swindon. The point being that every Millwall fan or person connected to the club has watched Millwall at Wembley now.
Therefore, another way of looking at it, is that 28,000 in the stands and 5,000 in the executive seats & boxes represent Millwall's 'hardcore' support for a League One final at Wembley. If you consider that when the club enforced a members only policy for home games after the Birmingham riot & you had to hand in a passport picture & utility bills to join and 24,000 did, that statement is about right.
The only tickets not sold out for our visit on Saturday were the £80 ones. And again that makes sense, all Millwall fans & their families have seen us at Wembley, most people with only a passing interest passed up an expensive day out. When you looked around & heard people talk it has had the feel of just a very big home game - i.e. it felt like most were proper Millwall fans that at least try and get to one game a season. Over 210,000 people came to The Den last season - so 20,000 individuals is about right.
And yes, the 200 who went on the pitch are idiots. I imagine the club will only sell tickets to sths and members of if we are lucky enough to get to another final - maybe 2 each.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 19:59:31 GMT
Congratulations on promotion, i didn't fancy your chances but you did it. You know who you've got to beat next season hopefully home and away,like you did us. Anyway good luck next season.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 20:24:16 GMT
Thanks for the detailed post moody.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 0:01:00 GMT
He meant, (I think) 'get 17000, only because......'. Even still, when you are within 30 miles of some of the biggest clubs in England enticing fans with reduced rates is a way to survive. 17k is a figure we haven't seen for over 30 years. Even the teds are happy with that sort of average with little competition. 1960,57 years ago since we averaged more than bradford last season and 59 years, 1958 since we averaged more than bristol city did last season.
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Post by oldgas on May 23, 2017 16:05:30 GMT
I see that several of our posts have been quoted by Sh1!heads on One Turd.
They just can't stop talking about us.
I suppose we ought to feel flattered that we matter so much.
Bless!
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Post by bantam on May 25, 2017 13:49:37 GMT
Hello Rovers fans, as a Bradford fan i read this thread with interest.
Regarding season tickets we've sold them at heavily discounted rates for nearly 10 years now which has effectively increased our main support mass by around 10k from 7/8k to 17/18k. Our old and new owners have been committed to trying to fill the ground as best they can to encourage families and our next generation to get hooked on being a Bantam! Our 'team twenty' campaign to try and get 20k season ticket holders next season has recently finished and we managed to reach approximately 19k. Adults are £149 and a kids s/t is £5 so you can see the thought process.
Someone above made a good point that our playoff game only had 15,600 (400 away) which was the actual attendance as the league games do include season ticket holders whether they attend or not. Such is the value a number of s/t holders buy one even if they are only able to attend half the games. The match was on a Thursday night 4 days after our last league game which didn't help sales.
In terms of us only taking 25k to Wembley there were a few factors albeit there was broadly a little disappointment with the number. We've been to Wembley 3 times in the past 4 years so the novelty had worn off a little. It's also very expensive at pretty short notice and i knew fans that simply could not afford to go (Bradford is not a wealthy place i can assure you!). There were also a number of families put off simply due to the fact we were playing Millwall. And finally we've grown our support so substantially over the past few years we have literally hoovered up a large proportion of our floating support and 'day trip' element. Sure there is more potential but maybe not as much as you might expect.
Less said about the game the better. We probably had the best of it on balance but didn't finish our guilt edge chances (of which there was only a couple) and Millwall effectively had one chance and scored it. Our season has been really good but is littered with games we should have probably won if we had been more clinical.
I hope the above information helps clear a few things up and is of interest to a few who posted.
I've always had a little soft spot for Rovers as i was taken to Twerton Park as a kid (i was playing for Bradford Boys and the whole team were there as we were playing Bristol Boys) and i seem to recall you guys winning 5-1. Gary Penrice is a name i recall from that day, a few of you might remember more then me! The impression i have is you lot have a well run club and are a proper set of fans, you had one of our better away followings at Valley Parade this season.
We clearly hoped it would be different but we'll look forward to locking horns next season!
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Post by Marshy on May 25, 2017 14:01:14 GMT
Hello Rovers fans, as a Bradford fan i read this thread with interest. Regarding season tickets we've sold them at heavily discounted rates for nearly 10 years now which has effectively increased our main support mass by around 10k from 7/8k to 17/18k. Our old and new owners have been committed to trying to fill the ground as best they can to encourage families and our next generation to get hooked on being a Bantam! Our 'team twenty' campaign to try and get 20k season ticket holders next season has recently finished and we managed to reach approximately 19k. Adults are £149 and a kids s/t is £5 so you can see the thought process. Someone above made a good point that our playoff game only had 15,600 (400 away) which was the actual attendance as the league games do include season ticket holders whether they attend or not. Such is the value a number of s/t holders buy one even if they are only able to attend half the games. The match was on a Thursday night 4 days after our last league game which didn't help sales. In terms of us only taking 25k to Wembley there were a few factors albeit there was broadly a little disappointment with the number. We've been to Wembley 3 times in the past 4 years so the novelty had worn off a little. It's also very expensive at pretty short notice and i knew fans that simply could not afford to go (Bradford is not a wealthy place i can assure you!). There were also a number of families put off simply due to the fact we were playing Millwall. And finally we've grown our support so substantially over the past few years we have literally hoovered up a large proportion of our floating support and 'day trip' element. Sure there is more potential but maybe not as much as you might expect. Less said about the game the better. We probably had the best of it on balance but didn't finish our guilt edge chances (of which there was only a couple) and Millwall effectively had one chance and scored it. Our season has been really good but is littered with games we should have probably won if we had been more clinical. I hope the above information helps clear a few things up and is of interest to a few who posted. I've always had a little soft spot for Rovers as i was taken to Twerton Park as a kid (i was playing for Bradford Boys and the whole team were there as we were playing Bristol Boys) and i seem to recall you guys winning 5-1. Gary Penrice is a name i recall from that day, a few of you might remember more then me! The impression i have is you lot have a well run club and are a proper set of fans, you had one of our better away followings at Valley Parade this season. We clearly hoped it would be different but we'll look forward to locking horns next season! Cheers for that Bantam it makes a lot sense with regard to some of the nonsense that gets spouted on here! ( mainly by me lol) Shame you didn't make it, I watched the game and I agree you were the better side. See you next year UTG!
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 20:45:23 GMT
Hello Rovers fans, as a Bradford fan i read this thread with interest. Regarding season tickets we've sold them at heavily discounted rates for nearly 10 years now which has effectively increased our main support mass by around 10k from 7/8k to 17/18k. Our old and new owners have been committed to trying to fill the ground as best they can to encourage families and our next generation to get hooked on being a Bantam! Our 'team twenty' campaign to try and get 20k season ticket holders next season has recently finished and we managed to reach approximately 19k. Adults are £149 and a kids s/t is £5 so you can see the thought process. Someone above made a good point that our playoff game only had 15,600 (400 away) which was the actual attendance as the league games do include season ticket holders whether they attend or not. Such is the value a number of s/t holders buy one even if they are only able to attend half the games. The match was on a Thursday night 4 days after our last league game which didn't help sales. In terms of us only taking 25k to Wembley there were a few factors albeit there was broadly a little disappointment with the number. We've been to Wembley 3 times in the past 4 years so the novelty had worn off a little. It's also very expensive at pretty short notice and i knew fans that simply could not afford to go (Bradford is not a wealthy place i can assure you!). There were also a number of families put off simply due to the fact we were playing Millwall. And finally we've grown our support so substantially over the past few years we have literally hoovered up a large proportion of our floating support and 'day trip' element. Sure there is more potential but maybe not as much as you might expect. Less said about the game the better. We probably had the best of it on balance but didn't finish our guilt edge chances (of which there was only a couple) and Millwall effectively had one chance and scored it. Our season has been really good but is littered with games we should have probably won if we had been more clinical. I hope the above information helps clear a few things up and is of interest to a few who posted. I've always had a little soft spot for Rovers as i was taken to Twerton Park as a kid (i was playing for Bradford Boys and the whole team were there as we were playing Bristol Boys) and i seem to recall you guys winning 5-1. Gary Penrice is a name i recall from that day, a few of you might remember more then me! The impression i have is you lot have a well run club and are a proper set of fans, you had one of our better away followings at Valley Parade this season. We clearly hoped it would be different but we'll look forward to locking horns next season! Thanks for the time taken to reply. See you next season!
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Post by gasstrictband on May 25, 2017 20:51:41 GMT
Hi Bantam , genuine question, whats your joke of the month .
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Post by Topper Gas on May 25, 2017 21:00:53 GMT
You talk about seeing a thought process but I'm not sure what thought goes into effectively giving season tickets away, is it resulting in increased sales year on year or just virtually giving tickets away to get fans to turn up?
Somehow our owners seem to have mastered the trick of increasing season ticket sales without reducing prices, although they are still apparently losing a £1m+ p.a.
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